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Contents 1 Derek Hagan 2 Olympics 3 Manual of Style 4 Triva ? 5 Dolphins fans "facts" 6 Intro 7 Official Wiki rules on trivia 7.1 What this guideline is not

[edit] Derek Hagan

wasnt it allen who had the hold —Preceding unsigned comment added by Primetimeking (talk • contribs) 03:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC) Tedd Ginn and Troy Smith weren't involved in that Deer Story. Removed the misinformation.

This is extremely biased and obviously written by an OSU fan of some type. Claims such as "being a threat every time he touches the ball" and talking about his rare physical attributes should be accompanied by citations.

I've worked some of the weasel words out of that second introductory paragraph.

NPOV removed. Please post here with complaints or fix them yourself. Rkevins82 16:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Is there any truth to the rumors of him attempting to qualify for the olympics? Forcemasteryoda 03:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olympics

On TV they have mentioned that Butch Reynolds tried to convince Ginn to try-out for the Olympics, but Ginn wanted to focus on football. He has said that he could run about a 10.3/100 meter. That would place in the US Olympic qualifiers. Reynolds' comment that Ginn could sustain speeds of 27 mph is likely wrong or false. Rkevins82 20:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manual of Style

I don't think the quotations sections applies to the Wikipedia manual of style.

[edit] Triva ?

Is that "4.06 40 time" fastest in college football history?

He is not the fastest athlete in the 2007 NFL draft, that has been verified by the combine and his subsequent workouts. This should be removed, it is not true and seems biased.

He had a bum ankle at the combine (he didn't even run so I don't know what you're thinking there) and he still ran a 4.38 at Ohio State's pro day on that same injured ankle. So it could potentially be true. And there WERE reports of him running a 4.06. Which is fast. As hell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.51.206 (talk) 19:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dolphins fans "facts"

"A lot of Dolphin fans are not happy that the team selected Ginn because Brady Quinn was still available. The Dolphins have had troubles at the QB position. When on T.V., Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron was booed by Dolphin fans."

This sounds like a disgruntled Dolphins fan wrote this after the NFL Draft. It should be deleted because it does not cite sources for the Dolphins fans not being happy or the troubles with the QB position. The fact that Cam Cameron was booed is not really necessary, it does not add anything to the article.

I'm going to go ahead and delete these biased sentences from the first paragraph.

The article was obviously written by a person biased to Ginn.

1. Ginn was DRAFTED to the Dolphins, he DOES NOT play for the Dolphins since he hasn't been on the field and could still be traded before mini-camp.

2. Ginn's speed times are all suspect, he ran slow during his workouts and most all of the 'hype' over his speed was never officially verified. The Olympic comment is heresay since he never tried out or was accepted.

3. Ginn is far from the fastest player in the 2007 NFL draft, this should be removed immedatiely since there is no way to verify the claim.

4. Ginn has been listed as the best chance of being 2007's first 'draft bust', this keeps getting added but someone keeps deleting it - it is relevant since he has announced he will not attend minicamp and may not even practive until July/Aug.

5. Also the 40yd dash time mentioned during a game with Michigan State is irrelevant, time for a 40yd dash is measured from a start and not while a running is already running.

To ensure the objectivity of this article, these items must be addressed.

He can't attend minicamp because he's not allowed to. OSU graduation hasn't happened.Chris Nelson 16:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

He released a statement that he did not expect his foot to be ready in time for camp, please read ESPN for further details.

I know he's not healthy, but he's going to be. It's not a huge issue. And my point was that even if he WAS healthy, he wouldn't be able to participate in minicamps.Chris Nelson 03:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intro

I made my intro edits, and re-added it, because I genuinely feel it is better than the alternative.►Chris Nelson 03:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

And I feel mine is better, but you don't want to discuss this with anybody. Ksy92003(talk) 21:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Official Wiki rules on trivia

[edit] What this guideline is not

There are a number of pervasive misunderstandings about this guideline and the course of action it suggests: This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. - If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all. This guideline does not suggest always avoiding lists in favor of prose. - Some information is better presented in a list format. This guideline does not suggest the inclusion or exclusion of any information. - This guideline does not attempt to address the issue of what information should be included in articles — it only gives style recommendations. Issues of inclusion are addressed by content policies.

The information in this particular trivia section was not more conducive to the list format - it was mostly just irrelevant facts.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 04:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Respectfully disagree. Irrevevancy is in the eye of the beholder. Further, your views on wiki civility are quite curious. I think in this discussion page when someon asked for resolution, you said, "Naah, I just keep posting it". Do you think that's a cool way to behave? Is that in keeping with the rules.

These words are clear about the Wikie guidline on Trivia: This guideline does not attempt to address the issue of what information should be included in articles — it only gives style recommendations. I have put it in bold and italics for you. You were trying to address what information is there, NOT the style.

Funny, you were on the other side of the fence when someone didn't want Ginn's called back TDs in. At that point you were willing to keep that in. That was not "trivia". It was then you said, "Naah, I just keep posting it". When I see that kind of attitide and that of others who objected . . . I had a reasonable expectation that you and others would not be reasonable. You went beyond that to rude. Then Pats1 hopped to action after one post from you . . . the guy you called "dude", then he was threatening me with being banned. He didn't mention 3RR then, did he? No, he just flexed his muscle so that I would back off and do things the way you wanted them done, isn't that right? Correct me if I am mistaken. So, to sum up. I disagree with your version of trivia (I agree that the called back TDs were relevant). 72.0.36.36 (talk) 05:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh, for those things that exist in the eye of the beholder there is consensus and dispute resolution. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Right, I called for dispute resolution and that process is moving on. Based on thoe who will say, such things as "Naah, I just keep posting it" and then gets possible, I say possible friends to muscle their way, then one can have reason to be dubios of consensus with folks like that. Therefore, dispute resolution. What happened here was dispute resolution wascalled for, along with colling down period, anb the 3RR (called for by me) were abused. I was threatened with being banned without anykind of notics as to why, only an claim that was without merit and it was done, based on the tone in a punishing-type way. That's where we are. Take not that some of those invloved here have been banned not for this, but for un-wiki behavior towards others. That comes in to play whne you are being reasonable and you are shown disrespect and nearly every turn.72.0.36.36 (talk) 06:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh, in fact, there is a dispute to that. You can think you are right, no one should have a problem with that. I will think that I am right but gave in to keep things civil. On the other hand your dude didn't keep things civil which is too bad. It didn't have to happen that way, I don't think.72.0.36.36 (talk) 05:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't take it personally, the guy's a liberal and a wanna-be sports journlist.