Talk:Tea/Archive 4

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Contents 1 Milk reduces the health benefits of tea 2 Moved from article to talk page 2.1 Tea in popular culture 3 Why Bangladesh is not included among the tea producing countries? 4 Appears to leave out a large number of US teas 5 smoking tea 6 Tea Growing countries map 7 Yamamoto 8 ? 9 WHEAT TEA 10 Sun tea 11 worldmap 12 Green Tea 13 REMOVE COMMERCIAL LINKS 14 Temperatures of "tea preperation" too high 15 Low temperature steeping 16 Cream 17 Tea oxidiser 18 Changing the style of the etymology section 18.1 discussion and thought 19 Statistics section

Milk reduces the health benefits of tea

Please see this newspaper article. It is based on a scientific paper in the European Heart Journal

AN ONLINE paper in the January 7th issue of the European Heart Journal points out that it is better to drink tea without added milk. Researchers from the Charité Hospital, Berlin have found that the beneficial effects of tea are greatly reduced upon adding milk. It appears that proteins in milk bind to some of the substances present in tea, leading to a vast reduction of their beneficial effects.

Also, 'Drinking tea with milk was no better than drinking water!' I am yet to take a look at the original paper.--Sahodaran 08:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC) Here is the paper.--Sahodaran 10:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Moved from article to talk page

Tea in popular culture

• Prefered beverage of fictional character Jessica Fletcher, protagonist of detective show Murder, She Wrote

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Someone added the above section. Don't know whether it would be worth looking at expanding or not. I mean, it could include anyone that's ever been on TV - ever. Especially British TV (e.g. Arthur Dent in HHG2G, and the entire cast of EastEnders). Anyway, moved it here for discussion or deletion. Bubba hotep 12:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, it's just been put back in. Over to you. Bubba hotep 12:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the re-adder was the original author, and there was no indication that he/she was aware that it had been brought here for discussion, I removed it again and added a comment in its place indicating that it needed discussion here first.  Sean Lotz  talk  23:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

IMHO this should not be in this article, a separate article maybe (though I'm not convinced) but not here. My main reason is that it isnt really about tea as such. Abtract 00:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• This is definitely about tea. Except it.

Why Bangladesh is not included among the tea producing countries?

It's funny that the map showing the tea producing countries doesn't include Bangladesh, which is a major tea producing country in South Asia. Bangladesh has hundreds of tea gardens in the Sylhet and Chittagong regions and it is also one of the bigger exporters of tea in the international market, United Kingdom being one of the largest importers of tea from Bangladesh. The map must be edited as quickly as possible. Kazimostak 15:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Appears to leave out a large number of US teas

In fact I don't see a reference to any of the teas served cold here; this list appears to only includes the hot ones. Jon 22:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

smoking tea

what happens if you smoke tea (not marijuana, sometimes called tea)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Right Honourable (talk • contribs) 09:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

I'm not sure what happens. I think a more interesting question would be what happened before smoking it that lead to the smoking in the first place (Down's syndrome, etc.)

i predict a soapy taste in the mouth and a vague feeling of nausea. maybe you could try it and find out. Meanderthal 09:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Tea Growing countries map

The map indicating tea growing regions should be revised. Korean tea is mentioned in the article yet it doesn't show up as a tea producer.

Panamajack 22:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

DoneSjschen 23:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Australia should also be on the map, having grown tea for 30 odd years. Velour Badger 15:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

What is the source of this map? Is it just an OR? I know other tea producing countries which are not mentioned like Iran.Farmanesh 01:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yamamoto

I have restored statements sourced to Yamamoto which were deleted. JFD 21:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 ?

I think someone should add a section on the psychoactive effets of tea

WHEAT TEA

Can someone add some info on Japanese WHEAT TEA? I'd like to find out mor about it since I was just given some as a gift. 74.129.182.66 19:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Sun tea

Why does sun tea redirect here? It's certainly an unusual enough concept to have its own page, and I was looking forward to figuring out what the hell it's all about.

worldmap

First of all the Caspian Sea is shown as a land while its water, that needs to be corrected. Second Azerbaijan a nation near the Caspian Sea also produces its own teas and they should be added om the map. Here are a few soucres which confirm this: [1] [2] Talyshli 11:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Green Tea

Should we mention Health Benefits of Green Tea? I don't know for sure if there is an article on it, but if there is, should we create it. I have a resource about the benefits of Green Tea at http://www.greentea.com --Complex-Algorithm-Interval 02:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

REMOVE COMMERCIAL LINKS

its not right to have references from websites that SELL tea. these links should be removed, their only interest in having information on tea is to drive traffic to their stores and mesmerize visitors. there must be some non-commercial articles that have the same information.

I doubt it, because usually the tea companies themselves have the information, because they know bet about their own tea. Also, please sign with four tildes (Complex-Algorithm) after posting. Thank You. Complex-Algorithm 22:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Temperatures of "tea preperation" too high

Almost all types of tea described state a temperature close to boiling point or even boiling point. Also, nowhere did I see any temperature lower than 80°C, aldough sometimes 60°C is appropriate (with certain teas). Please note that :

-with not a single tea a temperature of 100°C should be used -depending on the tea used a temperature of 60°-90°C should be used

With this information (and other information available online), the article may be corrected

KVDP 16:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, after looking through the different sections I think they might need an update. Although 100°C is appropriate for most black and pu-erh teas or the taste won't develop properly. As far as I know, and have experienced as well as the recommendation I've seen from "experts", most other teas require temperatures in the 60°-90°C range. Some even lower than 60 but thats rare. --Apis O-tang 22:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apis O-tang (talk • contribs)

Low temperature steeping

Sun tea redirects here, but there is no mention of that or other low temperature methods of preparation (a safer alternative to sun tea being to brew it in the fridge overnight[3]). Anyone have any good sources for that? scot 14:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Cream

Some connoisseurs eschew cream because it overpowers the flavour of tea. - Jesus Christ- these weasel words should be changed. Some connoisseurs eschew adding horse piss too probably. It's a simple fact that like horse piss, cream should not be added to tea. Jooler 13:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, why even mention it =/ (even though cream is used with coffee). It's hardly necessary to mention all the things that don't go well with tea, i mean it would be an awfully long list. I'll remove it for now =) --Apis O-tang 22:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apis O-tang (talk • contribs)

There is a whole 'nother wikipedia page dedicated to tea with "clotted cream" which one pbs travel show first brought to my attention. The words "some conoisseurs eschew" implies that a sizeable number enough to use this terminology of uneducated and confused people do, though incorrectly, drink tea with at least some kind of cream. Of course it appears now that this is done only in Britain and not in America except if trying to do a British formal tea demonstration; also, that such perhaps improperly used cream is a special ultra thick British cream and not the liquid Rich's coffee creamer nor creamer powder we add to our coffee in America.T. Mc. 01:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not from england either, but as far as I understand, clotted cream is used like butter on scones with jam, which is traditionally served together with tea, but never added to the tea itself. Although if one is to believe the clotted cream page, something similar to clotted cream is added to salted tea in Mongolia (I'm guessing that is the butter that is referred to in the other additives section). I removed the Some connoisseurs eschew cream part because it doesn't make sense to say what not to add to tea, that is something that's ultimately up to each individual tea drinker. I don't think it's common practice to add cream to tea however, I've never heard of anyone doing it until now =). --Apis O-tang 12:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Tea oxidiser

As can be read in the "serving"-section:

The flavour of the tea can also be altered by pouring it from different heights, resulting in varying degrees of oxidisation. This high-altitude pouring is used principally by people in Northern Africa (e.g. Morocco, Mali, ...) and serves to positively alter the flavour of the tea. In certain cultures the tea is given different names depending on the height it was poured form, e.g. in Mali, when depending on the amount of oxidation done the tea is called respectively "la vie", "l'amour", "la mort".

Would it be possible to mimic this process simply by putting a hose with air pump in the tea pot ? I am thinking about making a tea maker (which does exist, aldough it has not yet been described by Wikipedia; see this link and also the Tassimo-article. Perhaps you might add such article on Wikipedia too.

Cheers,

Zippo (talk) 17:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Changing the style of the etymology section

As reading the etymology...section, I feel dizzy and can't figure out which country calls which. So I suggest that the changing of the section with using "wikitable" like below.

Country	Name	Country	Name	Country	Name	Country	Name	Country	Name
Afrikaans	tee	Armenian, Catalan	te	Czech	té or thé (archaic)	Danish	te	Dutch	thee
English	tea	Esperanto	teo	Estonian	tee	Faroese	te	Finnish	tee
French	thé	West Frisian	tee	Galician	té	German	Tee	Hebrew	תה, te or tei
Hungarian	tea	Icelandic	te	Indonesian	teh	Irish	tae	Italian	tè
Javanese	tèh	scientific Latin	thea	Latvian	tēja	Lithuanian	arbata(1)	Low Saxon	Tee [t(ʰɛˑɪ] or Tei [t(ʰaˑɪ]
Malay	teh	Norwegian	te	Occitan	tè	Polish	herbata (2)	Sesotho	tea
Scots Gaelic	tì, teatha	Singhalese	thé	Spanish	té	Scots	tea [tiː] ~ [teː]	Sundanese	entèh
Swedish	te	Tamil	தேநீர thenīr	Telugu	తేనీళ్ళు tēnīru	Welsh	te	Yiddish	טיי, tei

Both (1), (2) from Latin herba thea

Country	Name	Country	Name	Country	Name	Country	Name	Country	Name
Albanian	çaj	Amharic	pronounced shy	Arabic	شاي shai	Assyrian	pronounced chai	Azeri	çay
Bengali	চা	Bosnian	čaj	Bulgarian	чай chai	Capampangan	cha	Cebuano	tsa
Croatian	čaj	Czech	čaj	English	char, slang	Georgian	ჩაი, chai	Greek	τσάι tsái
Gujarati	cha	Hindi	चाय chai	Javanese	tèh	Japanese	茶, ちゃ, cha	Kannada	Chaha
Kazakh	шай shai	Korean	茶,차 cha	Macedonian	чај, čaj	Malayalam	"chaya"	Marathi	chahaa
Mongolian	цай, tsai	Nepali	cheeya	Oriya	cha	Persian	چای chaay	Punjabi	ਚਾਹ
Portuguese	chá	Romanian	ceai	Russian	чай, chai	Serbian	чај, čaj	Slovak	čaj
Slovene	čaj	Somali	shaax	Swahili	chai	Tagalog	tsaa	Thai	ชา, cha
Tibetan	ཇ་ja	Tlingit	cháayu	Turkish	çay	Ukrainian	чай chai	Urdu	چاى
Uzbek	choy	Vietnamese	*trà and chè

• they are both direct derivatives of the Chinese 茶; the latter term is used mainly in the north and describes a tea made with freshly-picked leaves.

discussion and thought

Please take a look at the above table and leave any input here thanks.. --Appletrees 23:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I think this is fantastic. You should just add it. Sjschen 01:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer. I will go ahead to add it onto the article. ^^--Appletrees 02:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Statistics section

I don't understand the table at all. There are two conflicting sets of figures, and there is no header to explain what the two sets of figures represent.

Also, the table conflicts with the map. The map indicates no significant amount of tea is produced in Indonesia, but the table indicates Indonesia is one of the world's major tea producers.

Someone who knows things should fix this.

Ordinary Person (talk) 09:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)