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March to April 2006 Talk page from Saberwyn's rewrite

Contents 1 Tau symbol 2 Humans (Gue'la) 3 Wtf, I don't get this 4 ???!!! YAH! 5 Hey hypocrites! 6 Similarities between Marathon and the Tau from Warhammer 40,000 7 Tau Empire 8 Subpage 9 Images 10 Tyranid strategem 11 Infobox 12 Fire Warrior physical strength 13 Tau Coalition 14 Some Suggestions 15 Fair use rationale for Image:Codex- Tau Empire.jpg 16 History section 17 Tau = Squats Replacement? 18 Tau Government 19 Fair use rationale for Image:Codex- Tau Empire.jpg 20 Appeal 21 Tau design and the resemblance to the art work of Roger Dean

[edit] Tau symbol

Is it just me, or does the Tau symbol look a lot like the Marathon symbol from the game series Marathon, and later the Halo series

Yeah, I noticed that too. I wonder if GW were "inspired" perhaps. 81.109.94.62 16:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

It just seems so coincidental... or was it? Weird. - Frostmourne 16 (talk) 08:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

It does seem wrong. The real symbol has black and white in it.--208.102.210.163 (talk) 00:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Humans (Gue'la)

I'm changing the wording on the link to Tau-allied humans in the article, and I'd like to propose substantial changes to the linked article. humans are playing a larger role in the Tau empire with third-sphere expansion, and this deserves some mention. We should also stick to accurate terms. See the Gue'vesa Talk Page for a more in-depth discussion.

[edit] Wtf, I don't get this

Ethereal castes control them with pheremones? Where was this rumored? My whole love for the Tau is being shattered, I stayed away from the Tyranids because they were mindless slaves. Is the Ethereal Caste just another evolution that was more useful? WHY?

I'm not sure but I think it was mentioned as a theory as to why the Tau are so blindly loyal to the Ethereals. No one actually knows for sure, if I'm remembering the codex correctly.

It is strongly implied that the Etherals use phermones to compell other Tau. However, do not mistake that for slavery. The mere sent of an Etheral nearby causes other Tau to discard their doubts and fears, clears their minds of any selfish thoughts, and turns them into near perfect instraments of the Tau'va. This is why when an Etheral leads a squad of Tau on the table-top they become fearless. If you want to see some first-hand evidence of this, then I recommend reading the book Fire Warrior based on the (unfortunately mediocre) PS2 game of the same title. The Tau who are near an Etheral describe sensing a strange but wonderfully pleasant sent on the wind that causes them to fully embrace the Tau'va. However, as I said the Tau are not complete slaves. Such control only works if an Etheral is nearby, and Etherals cannot be everywhere at once. They teach other Tau to carry on when they are not around. The book also shows them gathering Tau around to reach a decision together for the greater good. When they arrive at a decision the Ethereal declares that he had already reached that decision and sent out his orders. When the other Tau ask why they were asked to deliberate if that were the case, the Ethereal tells them that because they arrived at the decision on their own they would be more certain that they were doing the right thing. They had complete faith in the Etherals already, but by doing this the Etheral ensures that such faith is not blind. --Fearless Son 02:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Moreover, this ability does not allow the Ethereal to control the minds of other Tau, only to bring peace to their minds, to calm them, to allow them to think clearly and to see reason in everything: this reason being mostly following the path the Greater Good. All unlike the Hive Mind and the Tyranids. --Loc.warhammer 14:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ???!!! YAH!

Was the rewrite article finally implanted into this? Colonel Marksman 18:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

• Yes. Why? -- Saberwyn 21:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey hypocrites!

I have the Tau codex and the Demiurg, the Nicassar or the Tallerians, none of them are in the fricken codex! my freind placed his custom chapter and you said " It was not codex!" what was that all about! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tauman (talk • contribs) .

Have you read (eg) the Battlefleet Gothic rulebook, in particular the part referenced by the Demiurg and Nicassar articles (To Unite The Stars)? They are both canonical Games Workshop creations. Cheers --Pak21 14:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

And the Tallerians are mentioned in the novel Kill Team. SAMAS 12:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

If you've got Kill Team, could you confirm the spelling of "Tallerians"? (See Talk:Tallerians (Warhammer 40,000) for context). Cheers --Pak21 14:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Similarities between Marathon and the Tau from Warhammer 40,000

For those of you familiar with the Games Workshop tabletop game Warhammer 40,000, you will notice the Tau have a similar ressemblance to the style and pictography of Marathon's main character and the Bungie game Abuse's main character. Now I know Marathon came out a long time ago but it seems funny that both the Tau's logo and the Marathon logo are almost identical. In addition, the name of the planet Tau Ceti IV uses the word as well. Any thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gx9000 (talk • contribs) .

Have you read the archive? Cheers --Pak21 08:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I read the archive, it degresses into a trivia discussion that has nothing to do with the point Gx9000 brought up. Why hasn't Bungie sued? The word Tau appears directly in both brands. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sp4i6 (talk • contribs) .

The word "Tau" is a letter in the Greek Alphabet --64.12.117.11 21:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)Will

And put simply, GW would win because they have the fancy lawers and lodes of money. 207.90.106.114 16:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

But more money and better lawyers than Microsoft? That's who owns Bundie now. ;) --Falcorian ^(talk) 20:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

*Sigh* This again. Trust me, Bungie would not sue Games Workshop over something like this. There have been plenty of other examples of the Marathon logo appearing in other places. If you want a complete list, I recommend visiting [1] (you will find the Tau logo in the second page of the list.) However, Bungie really has no reason to sue, and knowing what they let Red Versus Blue get away with (because the people at Bungie think that it is a total hoot,) probably never will. As for the resemblence to the main character of Abuse (which was only published by Bungie but developed by Crack Dot Com,) such a comparison is tenuious at best. What I would say would be a closer reference would be the fact that the first Marathon game takes place in orbit of a planet in the Tau Ceti system, but I think of that as more of an homage than any attempt to rip off. Marathon itself is obscure enough that few people would get the reference anyway. --Fearless Son 02:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tau Empire

Shouldn't this page be renamed Tau Empire or The Tau Empire? This is what it is officially called on Games Workshop's website, in the new codex, and in Dark Crusade. 86.135.184.171 19:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it depends on if we want the article to be about the alien race (Tau), the political entity (Tau Empire - as per the background) or the playable game faction (Tau Empire - as per the game). - Heavens To Betsy 14:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Since two out of three of the above reasons are for Tau Empire, I think someone should move it, and have a section on the Tau race and history. Martin23230 12:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I have tried moving it to Tau Empire, but it dosn't work. Could someone else do it for me? Land raider 12:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that "Tau (Warhammer 40,000)" is a fine name for the page. I would rather that the "Tau Empire" page redirect here. Besides, their first codex began under the name "Tau", so that is another reason to keep it like this. We have seperate pages for the Kroot and the Vespid, and since they would normally be kept under "Tau Empire" it does not make sense to have them on seperate pages. However, if we keep this just "Tau" then it makes more sense to keep it all seperate. --Fearless Son 02:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subpage

Why do we have a subpage at Tau (Warhammer 40,000)/archive? Things like this should be done in non-article space. Also, it seems that it hasn't actually been done much with since september. Should we put it up for deletion?-Localzuk^(talk) 18:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

It's an archive of the old page before saberwyn's rewrite. It can't be deleted as it is needed to preserve the contributor information, although a history merge could be done. --Pak21 09:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Perhaps we can change the Tau Emblem in the Infobox? It's a beautiful rendering but looks tacky with the white-on-gray background. A transparent GIF/PNG/SVG would probably look much better. RCanine 21:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Free use images. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 23:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Tau arms and Armor Stealth Team.jpg|Stealth Team Tau arms and Armor FW Team.jpg Image:Tau arms and Armor Devil Fish and FW.jpg|Devil Fish and FW Tau arms and Armor Etherial.jpg Image:Tau arms and Armor FW.jpg| FW Image:Tau arms and Armor XV80.jpg|XV-80 Image:Tau arms and Armor Marker Drone.jpg|Marker Drone Image:Tau arms and Armor XV 80 B.jpg|XV-80 Image:Tau arms and Armor Gun Drone.jpg|Gun Drone

I edited the above gallery because non-free images aren't allowed to be displayed in the Talk Page areas. Sorry for any inconvienence. SanchiTachi 22:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tyranid strategem

Does anyone have a strategy against a ton of genestealers, a carnifex, and a biovore? If I run towards them, they just kill me, and if not just use the biovore as lethal artillery. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.133.217.107 (talk) 00:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

This is really not the kind of place for such a discussion. --Fearless Son 02:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I moved the infobox to the top of the page because that seems to be the general thing on Wikipedia and also (I think) makes the page much clearer, giving important information first. Anyone object?

--Davard 10:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fire Warrior physical strength

I made a change indicating that Fire Warriors have a comparable physical strength to humans. Someone recently reverted this change, leaving in text implying that they are physically weaker than humans. My source of information on this was taken from Imperial Armour Volume III: The Taros Campaign. Can anyone offer any other GW-sanctioned source that contradicts this? Because if not, then we should still indicate it as it has otherwise been established as canon. --Fearless Son 02:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

In game, the Tau Fire Warriors are equal in terms of strength to average guardsmen. Also, in Index Xenos they are mentioned as being roughly the same in terms of strength and resilience. Where they are lacking, however, is visual perception (where they appear to focus slower then humans do). They are definitely not weaker then humans, unless you count Space Marines. Sybaronde 19:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tau Coalition

In Codex: Tau Empire, it states that the highest level of command for Tau is coalition. This should be added to the governing body box in the tau empire information.

213.249.245.48 19:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some Suggestions

I would recommend editors to look at the Tyranids or the Eldar (Warhammer 40,000) pages (I recommend the Tyranids page, as it has had the most work and the "game play" section is better than the Eldar's) for some examples of catagory organization. The current organization hurts my eyes when I scroll through. The reason is not as many line breaks, which cause the sections to blur together.

This is easily fixed by removing the heading "fictional" perspective, breaking it down into history, society, army, special info or characters, then gaming (history of books, edition rules, campaigns, etc).

Also, the info box is a little problematic (because they normally go at the top, but so do the current codexes), so maybe create a different page devoteed to the individual societies/planets/systems, which can expand on a lot of information there about culture and the rest. Possibly call it Tau_society or Tau_culture, or something similar. The Eldar have Craftworlds, so it has a more convienent name, and I don't know what the Tau parallel would be.

Also, maybe another side page discussing the Kroot army (as it was mentioned many times in White Dwarf, had chapter approved articles/in the Chapter Approved 3 book, and has special miniatures by forge world to expand on it).

This paragraph starting: "The Tau were the fourth army" could definately fall at the bottom undering a gaming section. Its definately information that isn't primary (meaning, if I just came to a page, whats the most important thing to find first). But yeah, I have some other things to expand on other pages, but these were just some things that I thought of (and currently lack the time to bother doing any on my own).

So far, the actual text is looking good. SanchiTachi 05:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Note, the Imperium page is the page that discusses the government for the humans, where the army pages only discuss it in passing. Maybe a similar thing belongs here, as the Tau have many versions in the different games/different information present about culture (like Fire Warrior has a bunch of excerpts about it, game and book), and the Kroots/Vespid societies have their own aspects that probably should be discussed but would clutter the army page. SanchiTachi 05:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] History section

I don't have either of the Tau codexes to hand, but when I read the History section it ringed a few bells in my memory. Can someone check it's not a word-for-word copy from a codex (old or new)? Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 22:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tau = Squats Replacement?

Is there even a shred of evidence to support that change to the page C(itationd efinatly needed)?

The Squats are the analogue to Dwarves in Warhammer fantasy, who are not ranged weapon specialists and are notable for their very strong armour and sturdiness in both hardware and physiology and are rowdy and bawdy as characters and good in melee combat. Squats were similar to that thesis in many respects.

Compare this to the Tau - who's armour and technology is sophiscated butnot especially resilliant compared to the space marines, who are quiet and reserved in character, and cannot fight in close combat in just about any shape or form.

I've never seen any official information that says they're Space Dwarves, not all races have analogues, take the Tyranid for example.--85.62.18.3 01:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

A vandalism edit that was missed earlier - has been reverted now. Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 01:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tau Government

I've taken the liberty of changing the Form of Government to something that fits a little better, as per a short essay I wrote found on Advanced Tau Tacticaon the Tau's governmental systems.

It is included here:

--- Revised Essay on the True Tau Government ---

The Tau are not a Socialist, Marxist, or Communist state.

--- Communism and Marxism ---

Put quite simply, taken directly from Wikipedia, Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production.

Tau are not classless, having a rigid Caste and Rank system that while does not impose any stigma on being of a lesser rank while preaching equality, is far from equal. A Shas'la cannot wake up one morning and decide to be a Kor'la - it is forbidden of him, thereby stripping the Shas'la of his would-be Communist/Marxist freedom of not having an exclusive sphere of activity but being able to be accomplished in any branch he wishes.

He is placed where the Empire wants him, then inconspicuously and subtly forced to submit.

--- Socialism and Democracy ---

Socialism, on the other hand, is a much broader socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community, and is often characterized by state or community ownership of the means of production.

The Tau community does not control the Empire's property or distribution of wealth, again having a rigid Caste system and government-placed jobs based on the needs of the Empire and abilities of the individual. If anyone has control of the Tau's property and wealth, it is the High Councils and the Aun who distribute it "equally" amongst the public.

In addition, full Socialism would not work without extensive implementation of Democracy - another little system of government that the Tau do not seem to fully grasp. The common Tau has no say in how he lives his life; his individuality is slightly/extremely suppressed (depends on how you look at it), he serves his superiors without question, and devotes his life to the Greater Good of his nation. Only the High Councils and the Aun have any say in how the Empire progresses.

--- What are the Tau then? ---

With this in mind, you should now be able to see that while Collectivist in nature, the Socialist/Communist approach simply doesn't parallel or mesh with the Tau Empire very well.

So what are they, you ask?

I strongly believe that the Tau Empire has much more in common with the concepts of Imperialistic Utilitarianism, a rather vague but overall more fitting explanation or description for how the Tau run things (rather than an even more vague and irrelevant socio-economic system, considering the fluff still hasn't provided any information regarding a Tau economic system at all).

Imperialism, being the forceful extension of a nation's authority by territorial gain or by the establishment of economic and/or political dominance over other nations.

Utilitarianism, being the ethical doctrine that the moral worth of an action is determined solely by its contribution to overall utility. Utility, being the "good to be maximized" (sound familiar?).

Tau Empire Codex pg. 10 wrote: The Tau are a supremely dynamic and energetic race. The principle of the Tau'va - the Greater Good - drives them ever outwards from their homeworld, into the great unknown of space. [...] The Greater Good requires that all join together and acknowledge the guidance of the Ethereal caste, and this includes any and all races with whom the Tau come into contact. [...] Those worlds that will not willingly join the Empire are dragged to the negotiating table under threat of annihilation. Those that remain openly defiant face obliteration under the orbital guns of the Air Caste fleet. The Tau Empire encompasses a dense yet astrographically small area of space. [...] As the Tau steadily expand the borders of their empire, they continue to encounter other races. The empire now encompasses over twenty septs - fully developed Tau systems - and a large number of vassal alien homeworlds. The populations of these worlds are fully integrated in to the empire, each striving towards the Greater Good.

--- Despots, Totalitarianism, and Oligarchies? ---

So now you may find yourself asking, doesn't this mean that the Tau Empire is run by despots if the common people really have no say in their own futures?

In a manner of speaking, yes, but don't look at it from a human perspective. Separate yourself from the idea that "all men are created equal" and forget you ever learned about the concepts of freedom and democracy, and you can see that being a despotic society isn't necessarily an "evil" thing at all when implemented in the way that the Tau implement it.

Being a Despotic society seems to be one of the only ways to make what the Tau Empire does, work. No so-called "ethical", "moral", or "free" individual in their humanly right mind would want to willingly give up that freedom or individuality to exercise the type of Utilitarianism that the Tau Empire practices daily - they'd have to be subtly forced or coerced into doing it, as we know the Ethereals do through the fear of returning to the Mont'au.

As stated by Khanaris on Tau Online, and extrapolated by myself, these rulers are Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies of the Aun Caste (headed by "Chair-tau" Aun'O T'au Acaya'va'denta) and the the tight-knit Meritocratic "Lower Councils" comprised of figureheads of the Elemental Castes.

Of course, the Tau implement so many of these systems across the various Sept worlds that comprise the Empire that it is a Checks and Balances system in its own, ensuring no one Tau can ultimately control every aspect of the entire Empire, but it's speculated that Aun'va could come dangerously close to it. This is likely simply due to the fact that he is said to be the oldest and wisest Ethereal, so many Tau would believe that there wouldn't be anything wrong with his council, suggestions, or declarations and wouldn't bother to oppose him, even if they could.

In addition, this is a very Totalitarian society, in which the state regulates nearly every aspect of public and private behavior so that individuals are allowed certain personal freedoms, except when they are counter to the Utilitarian and Religious ideals of the "Greater Good".

--- Utilitarian Misconceptions ---

Like the Wikipedia article says, there are two common "misconceptions" about modern human Utilitarian society that seem to have to be justified by/to us humans to understand or accept for ourselves.

Wikipedia - Utilitarianism wrote: The principle of "the greatest good for the greatest number", introduced by Bentham, is often mistaken as meaning that if something hurts one person and helps many, it is always morally justified. The principle of "the greatest good for the greatest number", introduced by Bentham, is often mistaken as meaning that if something hurts one person and helps many, it is always morally justified. This is not the case, however; as noted above, Bentham dropped the misleading "greatest number" part of the principle, replacing the original formulation with the more direct "greatest happiness principle." Thus, the morality of an action is not determined by the number of people made happier, but rather the quantity of happiness produced. A great loss to one individual might be outweighed by small gains for many, but it might not. Even if 1 person is hurt and 100 people are helped, the harm to the one might be so great as to outweigh the small gains for the rest of the people.

Wikipedia - Utilitarianism wrote: Second, some criticize utilitarianism for implying that individuals' interests can be sacrificed for the sake of the "society" or the nation. Modern utilitarianism however proposes that one individual's interests can only be sacrificed for the sake of the interests of other individuals. As Bentham put it, "The interest of the community is one of the most general expressions that can occur in the phraseology of morals: no wonder that the meaning of it is often lost. When it has a meaning, it is this. The community is a fictitious body, composed of the individual persons who are considered as constituting as it were its members. The interest of the community then is...the sum of the interests of the several members who compose it." [6] While it may benefit individuals to have a healthy society or a functional state, neither of these are ends in themselves.

While these criticisms are countered and justified by Jeremy Bentham to apply to modern non-dictatorial human civilization, the Tau's Ethereal leadership, suppressed freedoms and individualities, and rigid Caste system do not require such justifications for a Tau to accept.

It's perfectly acceptable in Tau society (whether the individual Tau has any say or not) to follow such an extreme form of Utilitarianism as morally justifying anything that hurts one to help many, or to sacrifice one's individual interests for the sake of the nation - which is probably why so many people find it hard to wrap their heads around this concept - because we aren't little blue aliens so our brains work differently.

But if you want the Tau in a nutshell with as many tags as possible, then here's what you get.

The Tau Empire Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies watching over Meritocratic Councils

---

And that's just the political side of the house. We still have very little information on how the Tau's economic system works, so we have to wait before we can start adding a Socialist/Capitalist tag for that.

If you want, you can add even more defining tags to it than what I have included above, but juxtaposing specific human socio-economic systems on an alien culture of little blue aliens (which we still don't know enough about to make a final decision on) just doesn't work.

Doombringer 138.162.140.53 17:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid this falls under the NOR policy. That is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research

Unless you can verify these conclusions somehow, you're basically just importing original research. Sybaronde 19:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Appeal

Does the "Appeal to the Players" bit have any references cause it looks like someones original research and opinion. Personally I like them because they have a Japanese flavour (advanced technology in a smaller empire, warriors willing to sacrifice themselves for the Greater Good (they can even get a bomb that makes them kamikaze), the Caste system, and the Ethereals remind me of a member of the Imperial family or Daimyo, pushing the moral and skill of their troops to the max and using something vaugely similar to the weapons of a samurai, but thats just me. IF there are resources supporting it, put it back cause I'm taking it out until then. Also removing the bit about whatever artists work they resemble, original research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 15:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tau design and the resemblance to the art work of Roger Dean

Has any one noticed the stong resemblance of Tau Fire Warriors and buildings to some of the works of the artist Roger Dean, especially the cover of the Game Brataccas made in 1985 here is a link to prove my point http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/atari-st-games/39-1.jpg The latest parallel is the Vespid, though they themselves bear little in common with his work the description of their home world is like the bulk of his work, floating islands of rock with strange crystal formations. The Kroot look not totally dissimilar to the hero in the original shadow of the beast game. The final similarity is his logo for a company called Hypnotherapy http://www.rogerdean.com/logos/pages/16-Hypnotherapy_jpg.htm which the Tau Empire symbol mimics. The only things not to show a direct design esthetic are the XV8 and XV88 Crises Suits. Any one who remembers album cover art of the 70’s or the Psygnosis computer games covers of the 80’s and 90’s should be able to see the parallels.

What do you think? - Rifleman_Jay (talk) 12:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I can't comment on wheter you're correct or not, not being aware of his work, but do you have any references for this, or is it all original research? If it's OR, then it can't be added to the articles. Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 13:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I removed this from the article as WP:OR before. Regardless of what you believe, you can't add to the article unless you have sources to back it up. Sorry. The Great Unwashed (talk) 00:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)