Talk:Tariq Ali

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Contents 1 Ali a Do-Gooder 2 Anti-Everything 3 Brown Sahib 4 Education 5 Bibliography 6 POV 7 Historian 8 WikiProject class rating 9 British-Pakistani or Pakistani-British?

[edit] Ali a Do-Gooder

Ali criticized Salmon Rushdie and Susan Sontag for their support of NATO's bombing of Kosovo which killed hundreds of innocent children. He called these 'warrior writers', the Belligerati. I learned this from Michael Mandel's book, How America Gets Away With Murder. Teetotaler

Rushdie supported the NATO bombing of what was then Yugoslavia (or basically just Serbia proper) to get the Yugoslav army to end its attempt to ethnically cleanse Kosovo of ethnic Albanians. He was supporting the bombing because he wanted to end the genocide. Ahassan05 18:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)ahassan05

[edit] Anti-Everything

The following text was found on the main page inserted by the user 129.15.93.82

I would have to point out that both terms --"Anti-Americanism" and "Anti-Israel"-- as used by the author above are terms of propaganda and not a terms of description. Tariq Ali's concerns are well expressed in his non-fiction: They are critical of American policies in the Middle East, this position is not synonymous with "Anti-American" or "Anti-Israel".

Moved to talk page by Chancemill 15:16, Jan 20, 2004 (UTC)

Just an FYI for everyone: neither of these terms are included in the current text. --(Mingus ah um 19:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Brown Sahib

"brown sahib" needs an explanation. Pjacobi 14:09, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The term has been linked. --(Mingus ah um 19:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Education

what did he study at uni? what degree/s does he have?

Now, that's a good question. Here's a start:

"Tariq was born in Lahore, now in Pakistan, then part of British-ruled India, in 1943. A Catholic school education did nothing to shake his life-long atheism, which he shared with his communist parents."

"Later, while studying at Government College, part of Punjab University, Tariq Ali was elected President of the Young Students' Union. He organised public demonstrations against Pakistan's military dictatorship and was banned from participating in student politics."

""From: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/feature_tariqali.shtml --(Mingus ah um 19:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Bibliography

There is a reasonable list of works on http://www.contemporarywriters.com/authors/?p=auth164#bibliography does anyone know where to get ISBN numbers?

Amazon and other online sellers include them on the book's page.Philip Cross 11:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

This article is definately POV. Could someone maybe edit it? I mean, keep the information, but it's wording is overtly point of view. Эйрон Кинни (t) 23:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Can please point out, which POV shows where? --Pjacobi 23:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, yeah or just be bold and do it yourself... Malangyar (talk) 00:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Historian

Do we have reliable sources who call him a historian (i.e. not his own publishers or website, but a mainstream literary journal, academic journal, or newspaper that has reviewed his work)? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Seeing no response in 4 months, and based on his studies and the biography at http://www.contemporarywriters.com/authors/?p=auth164#bibliography it looks to me like it is appropriate to remove that attribution of "historian". If someone wants to add it back as "self-claimed historian" or the like, that would make more sense. --NealMcB 22:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 20:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British-Pakistani or Pakistani-British?

I am under the impression that it is customary for one's hyphenated nationality to place the native or originating land first and adopted land second. If this holds true, Tariq Ali is a Pakistani-British and the label should be changed to say this. —Blanchette (talk) 07:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I have found a discussion of this issue in a Wikipedia "Categories for deletion" log [1] where the comments from British Wikipedians would indicate the reverse order in British usage, e.g. British Asian, British Pakistani, etc. The hyphen is apparently optional but increasingly dropped when used to create an adjective and obsolete when using the words to make a noun. See Hyphenated American for links to usage guides on this point. Also clinching the point is the article British Pakistanis. By contrast see Pakistani American. In sum: the word order is correct but the hyphen should probably be removed here and in other places on Wikipedia where the British-nationality n format is used. —Blanchette (talk) 07:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)