User talk:Tankred/Archive 2

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[edit] Tajchy

So I took the freedom to edit the article and I've done mostly various formatting, such as for references with "cite web" template and breaking the list. Anyway, very good candidate for DYK, in my opinion, as it's fairly broad and referenced (though many are Slovak), well, I couldn't write it better. Oh, and what do you think about linking years, dates and centuries in articles (see Bratislava for History revisions)? To the message above my thread, sorry, that was really bad luck for getting blocked for 3RR, even though it was clear exception (reverting a banned user). MarkBA t/c/@ 12:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

And just a minor point, your talk page is getting fairly long (116kb). Have you considered archiving? MarkBA t/c/@ 12:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for changing the format of references. It looks much better now. As to links to years and centuries, I prefer not to put too many links into an article. My personal rule of thumb is to link only years of significant events (and then to put such an event into the article about that year). See Battle of Wogastisburg and 631. This applies to most articles. However, I generally do not link years in articles flooded by links and I do link years in articles with too few links.Of course, other editors have different preferences. Tankred 18:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

And here's a little bonus:

The Original Barnstar
I, MarkBA, award you this Original Barnstar for some of your fine contributions, especially to Slovakia-related articles and surviving here, on Wikipedia despite all the wars. MarkBA t/c/@ 12:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which,

Updated DYK query On May 29, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tajchy, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done. Blnguyen (cranky admin anniversary) 06:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On June 7, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gerlachovský štít, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Keep up the great work.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Slovakia

Hi, I am from Australia and I am collecting some information about Slovakia for a debate I'm going to next week. What is its largest power source, coal powered or nuclear? How dependant on those powersources is slovakia? Would it be able to meet the Kyoto agreement regarding carbon emissions if it was forced to? What is the governments foriegn policy regarding a Palestinian free state, favorable or against? thanks, Benjamint444 08:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, can you please check this user (link is valid)? I dunno who is it, but the practices are somehow suspicious, e.g. removing Romanian name in Transylvania article or doing sneaky vandalism in Slovakia article. MarkBA t/c/@ 21:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

you hate magyars?--Székhu 15:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


ok, ok ok I'm sorry--Székhu 15:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the Slovak regions, counties and their names and articles

Hi, see my proposal at User:Svetovid/Sandbox#Slovak_regions.2C_counties... and leave some feedback.--Svetovid 11:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if you will read my comment, but I'm too unhappy with move and edit-warring with the counties and regions. I think the best solution is to have counties for historical context and identifying them in the Kingdom of Hungary and such, and regions, if applicable, should be for their position in Slovakia, their economy and tourism, with brief summaries of the history in the county articles, like is done with Spiš and Szepes county. MarkBA t/c/@ 20:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I completely agree. I left a message at Talk:Kingdom of Hungary, but I have no intention to intervene in that dirty edit war. I was offline (going for my vacation, guess where, to Slovakia:-), but I will check my talk page more often. By the way, congratulations to the GA status of Bratislava. I can't wait for the peer review. Tankred 21:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
So I'm posting here again and this time I'm going to ask you if you can help me with this one: one to-do task on the Talk:Bratislava says "Add information to the "Economy" section about boom in the construction industry and significant projects currently under construction". And so I started doing some preparations in my sandbox to prepare this one before I'll add it to the article and some help would be appreciated. Do you think you could help? MarkBA t/c/@ 20:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
So I'm posting here again, well, guess, again something with Bratislava. I'm not going to say anything relating names, but something to prepare this article for possible FA candidature. What I think needs work is possibly prose, though it is reasonably well written, I'm afraid it isn't professionally, references too, in particular, I'm having trouble finding some good ref for this "The building of the University Library (erected in 1756) was used by the Diet (parliament) of the Kingdom of Hungary from 1802 to 1848. Much of the significant legislation of the Hungarian Reform Era (such as the abolition of serfdom and the foundation of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences) were enacted there." And someone from WP:CITIES said that History should be shortened. Sorry if I'm bothering you with this, if you wish, you may reply here. (And by the way, if you are off for longer time, you may consider putting up one of those wikibreak banners on your talk/user page, so I know that I shouldn't expect something from you) MarkBA t/c/@ 09:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Cracow

When you have time I would appreciate a reply to my question at WP:NCGN (talk). Thanks. Dr. Dan 14:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Without Croatia

In the History of Hungary article, we have the line, According to the census in 1910, 54% of the population of the Kingdom (without Croatia)...

What does that mean, "without Croatia?" I think that's unclear. You put in the statistic, so I was hoping you could explain it. Thanks, TheMightyQuill 17:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, sorry, I misread the history - I'll ask Hobartimus about the stats. But how did you know the statistics were referring to language, rather than ethnicity? - TheMightyQuill 21:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Zdar. Thank you for kind words. I think that format village, XY District is better than just village, XY and is also compatible with Slovak usual format village, okres XY. I am trying to keep this consistent. - Darwinek 19:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


Cool that you added the link to Greiner at Jelšava. Carca220nne (talk) 17:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MAP

  • I've used a common HSA map as a crib note.
  • according to them the south-eastern frontier of the Principality of Nitra was at the river Grana/Garam.
  • And yes, you're right. The legend's title is more appropiate. We can stop using this file and a new version with better nameing should be uploaded. (i've done it in the meantime :)
  • Not a big deal. i've used Paint.NET (unfortunately supports only horizontal/vertical text representation - however there is a rotate effect but only for layers :( ) ... --fz22 20:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Dear Tankred. I think this is where our role ends. Being outsiders (least I'm not a reputed historian :) so I can only digitalize maps from my sources/books/atlas/etc. The Hungarian historiography denies even the existence of the so called "Great" Moravia. It wasn't so Great, it wasn't an Empire, and the archeological findings are too ambiguous. (this is a long debated issue, just think on the Hungarian-Slavic Congress's results and speeches - around 1960).
IMO even the wikipedia logic is defective in this case. We are not in charge here to decide which theory strive for perfection. We can only add branching logic to the articles.
However I will add a new layer to the map representing the extent of the Great Moravian Empire, accoring to the Slovakian historiography. Is this OK? Regards --fz22 10:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bratislava

I've just added a lot of book references into History section. What do you think, are there enough of them? Also, what do you think needs to be done, minding name issue of course. MarkBA t/c/@ 18:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

So how should I close the poll? I am torn and cannot decide. And for external views I think we have exhausted possibilities and I think FA review is the last one remaining. But thank you for bringing that copyright issue to my attention, though license is bit vague, I don't think it's a good reason to delete so long as we stick to the Bratislava and possibly description page. MarkBA t/c/@ 19:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, so I'll close it as a simple majority for the Bratislava alternative, even with "weak" votes. Please correct me if I'll mess it up, because I'm not experienced at poll closing. MarkBA t/c/@ 20:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

So I'm posting here again, and I would like to hear your opinion if I would be a fool, moving this article to FA review. Although we don't have name issue (finally!), I fear that prose may be criticized and copyright issue with coat-of-arms may be brought up, too, though I don't see anything on that discussion moving. You see, peer review wasn't very productive and I see FA review as only avenue for improvement. (you may reply either here or on my page) MarkBA t/c/@ 15:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

If you're reading this: As far as I can tell, non-free images are allowed under third criterion:
"It has images and other media where they are appropriate to the subject, with succinct captions and acceptable copyright status. Non-free images or media must meet the criteria for the inclusion of non-free content and be labeled accordingly."
However, I'm not experienced with fair use and as such I can't write rationale or something similar. I think best would be to ask someone who regularly reviews FAs or at the talk pages of those policies. And the trouble is, that for commercial use you need permission from the municipality under the Slovak law, however, the servers are located in the U.S., but I can't tell. MarkBA t/c/@ 16:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

(whistling) Well, it seems we have some work to do to get this article ed. Unfortunately, it seems that I can't handle all tasks (like copy-editing). Do you think you could help me with some of the tasks? MarkBA t/c/@ 09:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Good. Every little help comes handy, when I'll look at the list of tasks I've received. Some of them aren't very suitable to me, like text flowing or such. All I don't agree is the mention of foreign names in the lead - I think Names section can do this purpose, right? MarkBA t/c/@ 21:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

So few days have elapsed and although some issues are done, there are still some which should be solved in my opinion as priority and those are History, possibly Demographics and Economy. But I feel we are bit closer to promotion. MarkBA t/c/@ 12:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess his only purpose here is to annoy or possibly upset people. I don't know what he demands – his problem. Let him ravage talk page for a while but be careful on article itself. OK, where we have stopped? Copy-editing, of course. Good that prose is at least reasonably good, though what do you suggest for improving our situation? Well, I don't know if WP:LoCE with their backlogs is a good option... MarkBA t/c/@ 20:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... It seems that I can't post request to the League yet, because copy-editing isn't remaining issue. What now? Though I've already posted request to native speaker, I just don't know if this will be enough. MarkBA t/c/@ 08:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I've already posted to Mike but he seems to be either away or busy that he can't respond. For the two remaining points: Economy – we can think and even know why the city is booming, yet I can't find no good damned reference and posting something from Bratislava official site isn't good option either. English sources are for longer run – it is unlikely that we can turn refs into (almost)-purely English ones in short time. Comparing Bratislava is for me too something weird – I'm not even sure if it does deserve a mention. Lastly copy-editing – I can't post to League, so only remaining possibilities are to call in native speakers. And, relating to the recent events, better watch out for Names – we don't want to end up in mess. MarkBA t/c/@ 12:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
If you haven't found out, I am signing with the e-mail address (hidden under @ symbol). For the references, that would be great, I have time to read them. Just send them and I'll see if I can do something about it. All I would need to decide in which form to give those refs. MarkBA t/c/@ 13:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
You've got my reply in e-mail. I suggest we'd do better if we would discuss some of the matters off-wiki, unless it would be necessary to show them off. MarkBA t/c/@ 19:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems the game's over this time - not promoted. In my opinion we weren't just very interesting target, though I think effort has been made to address the objections. Shortly before closure, I got it copyedited but this hasn't improved odds by no way. What do you think, should I wait some time or give it another go? MarkBA t/c/@ 08:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, it's the copyeditor. You're welcome. The English is now right, which is all I was really trying to do, but I don't think I was "bold" enough regarding style. It's still a little disjoint and propagandistic. I think it needs a rewrite, but I can't promise I'll be the one to do that, because I'm lazy and chickenhearted. I realize the article was up for FA, and I think it's close to that quality. The topic is certainly interesting enough—there was a time I knew the capital of every country in the world (you don't want to bet against me in Trivial Pursuit), but I got old(ish) and they changed everything. So, I'm ashamed to admit, the name of Slovakia's capital wasn't in my memory banks until I read this article. I visited Prague last spring, and now I want to go to Bratislava, if only to gaze upon the narrowest house in Europe. I wonder how narrow the narrowest house in the world is. --Milkbreath 16:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess I haven't picked very good time to review, though many objections were addressed nonetheless. I'm aware that English sourcing isn't at its best, but strange thing is that I have Slovak copy of Lacika book but Mike has an English one so this is clearly way to do some improvements, though Mike is somehow busy so I'm afraid I'll have to do this on my own. I admit that advertising was none or poor - how I could forgot put some notice to WP:CITIES?. I think earliest time to start the candidature again would be half of September, as I'll be away for longer time at least once (and people will be hopefully back). Anyway, I've thought if Template:Infobox Town Slovakia could be re-designed or expanded. MarkBA t/c/@ 17:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll likely go out to see what's on, though I'm not very sure if I can find this one, as both Lacika books are from 2000, so if I'll find something else a total replacement may come into question. To the infobox, yes it is sufficient, but I think coat-of-arms field could be split into coat-of-arms field and picture field and maybe "mayor" field could be added. The only catch is to do this without having it expansive like in the German and Slovak Wikipedias. However, I'm not template expert and if I'd do something like that, it would end in a mess I think. MarkBA t/c/@ 18:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Looking from the other municipality templates, I guess only website field could be reasonable. Things such as e-mail, phone, address or municipality number aren't needed. To the mayor field, it's on the borderline, yes, almost all links would produce a redlink, though I think there is a mechanism which will not link the item when it isn't created (from Infobox City template). Maps are fine, and when the interactive maps for coordinates are now available, we don't need those "dot" maps. Back to the English sources "dilemma", it wouldn't hurt if I'd do a replacement if I wouldn't find English Lacika book, or? MarkBA t/c/@ 19:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
...or just expand this. Though Czech cities use standard City template at first I intended to use them only for larger cities here. Just to change topic, I see you're quite interested in Banská Bystrica article and myself I would give it a B-class. Though it is understandable that all articles should be improved, this one is closest to another GA-class. MarkBA t/c/@ 19:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
That's true. That article needs more refs and citations – nine citations isn't really much for higher standards. At least it's good to have municipal websites – some bias of course but good source otherwise. Some sections could do expanding, merging or similar, but it's a good start. MarkBA t/c/@ 20:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've sent it to the 2nd nomination again and all I have so far are comments - what was immediately said, excluding first comment, is that the recent History is overly long. I thought I could move "demographic" data to Demographics, but I'm in dilemma now what to (re)move and what not to (re)move. I've tried to address other issues, though (feel free to reply here, I watch your page). MarkBA t/c/@ 18:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

(copied reply here in case you don't watch my page)
1. Yes, that sucks, though personally I didn't like that I have to add too much recent history. 2. I guess we don't have other option left... 3. I watched this thingy for a while now and while it is for sure interesting, I'm not sure if it will have enough space for data which don't fit elsewhere. Obsolete, you mean Infobox Town Slovakia or Infobox Settlement? 4. I'll see in preview... if it looks good MarkBA t/c/@ 13:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
BTW, I have just recently created Slovak notice board, if you're interested.MarkBA t/c/@ 14:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Now we are using Geoboxes, I've thought which towns should be marked as cities and which shouldn't. The Dutch wikipedia has limited that to 30,000 (although it calls "biggest towns"), and looking at the stats we could use something in range 25,000–30,000. MarkBA t/c/@ 14:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've invited Milkbreath to comment History so I'll see what I'll get. Looks like that sock won't give up - recent revert of comment he didn't like confirms that. For 99% he is VinceB. I support indef block because normal editors need some rest from Hungarian nationalists. MarkBA t/c/@ 13:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
As I see most editors do not like long History, so I've decided to take action and... I see it's quite troublesome to choose what to throw out. I've thrown some data out into Demographics but I'm stuck (I know you're more busy with the Decrees issue but I've thought this may interest you). I just hope that all major issues can be solved in time. MarkBA t/c/@ 17:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bratislava Coat of Arms

Done, and thanks for the notice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MikeGogulski (talk • contribs) 23:07, 24 June 2007.

And you see, only this blocks us from submitting it into FA review - so much trouble caused already with this even in the past and the trouble continues, well, if it's going to be deleted, I think we'll upload it under fair use and forget permission. All others seem to be OK. And maybe the trouble lies in the prose - but getting responses there is a better option (peer review wasn't so good as expected...). MarkBA t/c/@ 16:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess so... but I think even permission itself may be criticized at the FA review , because although it allows language mutations, it restricts it into Bratislava article and only to Wikipedia, what fits more into fair use, even though I'd like to preserve that image on the Commons. And getting another permission - no thanks, not even responding sometimes, when you know our bureaucracy... MarkBA t/c/@ 17:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] L.O.S.

Ok. But the problem is, that I don't see why many non slovak people are listed as Slovakians. From the talkpage:

  • If somebody lived/lives in the today's territory of Slovakia means that he/she was/is automatically a Slovak?
  • Slovakia did not exist as a political or cultural entity until the beginning of the 20th century
  • if you want to distinguish between ethnic Slovaks and "people of significance to Slovakia", at least stop Slovakizing their names
  • Using this same standard for Hungarians and Czechs, Joseph Haydn could be called a famous Hungarian (he spent a significant amount of time in Hungary, Kismarton and Eszterháza), or Gustav Mahler could be called a famous Czech, or Pavel Országh a famous Hungarian (he wrote Hungarian poems, translated some works of Petőfi, Madách).

[edit] B.Móric

Hello.

1)Révay was a Hungarian noble family. 2)According to this [1] page , or to this [2], he had slovak and hungarian ancestors too.

[edit] March laws

I'm afraid I don't have the necessary expertise and sources (nor sufficient time to gather these) to do that right now... Even the Hungarian-language Wikipedia lacks this article, which is a shame. I'll drop a note on our noticeboard. Thanks for the heads up. KissL 14:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IP rv. on History of Hungary

Just curious, why did you revert those changes? They seemed to be in good faith. - TheMightyQuill 18:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Commas

Nonetheless, it does say that SI doesn't use commas, and I think a reader would need to be pretty thick to be confused by something like "1 000 km". Kelisi 19:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CVU status

The Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to {{inactive}} and/or {{historical}} status. Another proposal is to delete or redirect the project. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU#Inactive.3F and at the deletion debate. Thank you! Delivered on behalf of xaosflux 16:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian names

I do not understand why you removed Hungarian names from articles of majority Hungarian cities in Slovakia. According to Hungarian language article, "Hungarian is officially recognized as a minority or regional language in Austria, Croatia, Romania, Bukovina, Zakarpattia in Ukraine, and Slovakia." Language is official and all these cities are majority Hungarian where most of citizens use those names. So, why you removed them?

I did not remove any names from the article. All the names in minority languages are listed in the first sentence of the lead in every article in question. I do not think there is any need to repeat them in infoboxes. As to their legal status in Slovakia, the names in a minority language have a lower (not equal) legal status (see the Constitution of the Slovak Republic and the legal act Zákon 191/1994 Z.z. o označovaní obcí v jazyku národnostných menšín). Moreover, inclusion of two and more names in a town infobox is controversial and there is no consensus among editors. Two languages are used in the case of Transylvania. But many other local infoboxes (e.g. Alsace-Lorraine, Belgium, Estonia, India, Latvia, Lithuania, Turkey) include only the name in the official language. I do not oppose a broader discussion about the Slovak towns infobox and I will be happy to implement any consensus arising from such a discussion. However, the change you have proposed should be discussed by all the relevant editors of the articles about Slovakia. Tankred 11:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I mean you removed names from infoboxes. Ok, you say Hungarian names have lower legal status then Slovak, so would you accept compromise that we write Hungarian names with smaller letters? I think we should have Hungarian names in infoboxes because Hungarians are majority in these cities and these names are used by majority of local citizens. Articles about majority Hungarian cities in Romania and Serbia have Hungarian names in infoboxes and Komárno article about city in Slovakia also have Hungarian name (but with smaler letters). Why articles about Dunajská Streda, Kolárovo, and other should not have Hungarian names with smaler letters? 81.18.56.228 17:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I would not mind having Hungarian names in the infoboxes of the Slovak towns with a Hungarian majority if they are written in a smaller font (reflecting their legal status). Tankred 13:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magyarization

(comment posted and then removed by User:Squash Racket)

You cannot use Wikipedia to rewrite history. You have deleted several paragraphs (including numerical data and a reference) from Magyarization and you keep reverting the article to your crippled version. I have asked you to stop vandalizing that article on your talk page, on the article's talk page and now I am doing it here. Tankred 19:04, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
(comment posted and then removed by User:Squash Racket)
I have already responded to your accusations on your talk page, but if you could not find it, I can paste it also here: Please stop posting personal attacks on my talk page.[3] You have called me a "lier" and you have accused me of "anti-Semitism". Talking of Antisemitism, YOU are trying to abuse Wikipedia's article Magyarization to whitewash a regime that denied the Jews their identity and even refused to include their identity in the census. I do not understand how exactly I am supposed to be antisemitic as I reverted YOUR deletion of the description of this soft ethnic cleansing of the Hungarian Jews. Tankred 20:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I edited an unsigned comment with a false number, didn't know it was yours. Once more you call me 'vandal' for such things I'll cry to an administrator to block you like you did. Squash Racket 14:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read WP:Vandalism. Modifying other users' comments is vandalism. Tankred 14:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I read it and it says you use templates too many times too easily in not appropriate situations. I could have ended easier if I found sooner our regional noticeboard. And exactly what would you call stating more Jews were killed than even the Jews claim? POV? See History of the Jews in Hungary. I hope not one Jew read that article and you know better.Squash Racket 15:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Re the language used in your edit summaries; FYI, there are citations regarding the existence of Sir Isaac Newton and Ancient Greece - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia only and often links to sources with fuller and better information. Since you are adding content to the article then it is your responsibility to provide references and cites. Also, NPOV requires all referenced viewpoints to be retained - so only remove a cite if it is being replaced by a better reference (one that says the same thing!) Please try to build consensus within the article, and thereby improve it. Thanks. LessHeard vanU 20:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

For the matter of record, User:Squash Racket proved to be a sockpuppet of the banned User:VinceB and was blocked indef. Tankred 23:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vince is back?

I suspect that this is sockpuppet of banned user VinceB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hobartimus Where can I report this? PANONIAN 01:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I did not want to post it into old Vince case because its page say: "this is old discussion, please do not modify it", so I was not sure is that right place for it. I added now code letter, so I hope it is ok now? Also, I did not saw edits of Hobartimus before, but what I see from his behaviour at Demographic history of Bačka, I am pretty convinced that he is Vince. PANONIAN 07:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Forms of discrimination related to the Treaty of Trianon

Why is it a problem to mention other forms of discrimination related to the Treaty of Trianon in an article about one form of discrimination related to the Treaty of Trianon? We always need a third party?
And why did you delete Treaty of Trianon? It is also not related to the article? Squash Racket 15:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation of CheckUser result

Just in case he does not reply to you (his page is on my watchlist from a while back).. Checkuser can only go back a limited amount of time (I think the time is 4-6 weeks, but they obviously don't tell publicly exactly how long to prevent individuals from gaming the system to "beat" Checkuser). If one or more of the accounts you provided in your request haven't edited in that time, they don't have anything to go on, therefore the data is Stale and unusable. Hope this answered your question SirFozzie 16:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian names

Gdańsk or Danzig? Discussion at Talk:Gdansk/Vote determined that Gdańsk is the single widely accepted English name in modern context, but Danzig is its widely accepted historical English name for certain historical contexts. There is no city of Danzig at present, but this term can be used in various historical contexts as described on the discussion page.

  • Volgograd or Stalingrad? Volgograd is the single widely accepted English name in modern context but Stalingrad is a widely accepted English name for certain historical contexts. Therefore during the Second World War there was a Battle of Stalingrad, not a Battle of Volgograd, and when referring to the city during the Stalinist era, the term Stalingrad is more correct than Volgograd; Battle of Stalingrad mentions Volgograd once in the text; three times in describing external links.
  • Istanbul or Constantinople? Istanbul is the single widely accepted English name in modern context, but Constantinople is a widely accepted historical English name. Now Constantinople is a separate article covering the history of Istanbul until 1453 and the term used to refer to the city in historical context before 1453.
  • Vilnius or Wilno? Vilnius is the single widely accepted English name in modern context, but Wilno is widely accepted in historical contexts where the Polish language was more popular than the Lithuanian language (during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth).

Someone found these in the guideline and they seem to allow usage of Hungarian names in historical context. Squash Racket 18:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read the whole page of WP:NCGN. If you believe Kassa is a widely accepted name of Kosice in the historic context in English sources, you can initiate a discussion at Talk:Košice. Tankred 16:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting and calling me vandal multiple times

I don't understand your problem:
  • Pressburg is the most widely used English name for the city before 1837 (the first time Bratislava mentioned). How do you find English language data, when the name didn't even exist back then?
  • The term Slovak was first used in the 15th century, why do you use it in an article about events in the 12th century? Squash Racket 04:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I must repeat myself now: Please read WP:NCGN. It clearly explains how to use geographic names and what to do if you believe a name is widely accepted in English sources. Tankred 05:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

'If the place does not exist anymore, or the article deals only with a place in a period when it held a different name, the widely accepted historical English name should be used.'
If more than one historic name is applicable for a given historical context, the other names should be added after the modern English name, i.e.: "historical name (English name, other historical names)".
Based on this, even Pozsony should be mentioned in historical context. Squash Racket 06:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
And you said nothing about the second problem. Squash Racket 06:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

For the matter of record, User:Squash Racket proved to be a sockpuppet of the banned User:VinceB and was blocked indef. Tankred 23:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geobox

Hi, just a short notice about the new Geoboxes for settlements. It's preferable to call the template as {{Geobox|Settlement and set the settlement type (City, Town, Village etc.) in the category field. The first parameter, Settlement, adjust the display or names of some fields in the output, e.g. it sets the symbol_type = Coat of arms thus you don't have to add this field manually. The support for calling the template with City, Town etc,. has been added for ease of use. It would be of course possible to make all parameters change the symbol_type (and other fields) but it would make the code unnecessary long.

I'm improving the conversion tool, it will be able to fully convert the Slovak Infobox to the Geobox 2. I just don't have much time now and I'm leaving for some Slovak mountains tomorrow so it'll be ready sometime next week. – Caroig (talk) 14:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Would you please look at this: Template talk:Geobox#Geobox Slovakia & Czechia? – Caroig (talk) —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 21:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Squash Racket

I will consider it, and look into it. I'm watching his/hers edits quite closely. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 22:30, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Tankred !

First of all, thanks for your nice words (Welcome back... of Nov 2006)! Hmm, it's almost a year :(( . I did appreciate a lot that nice piece of humanity in the middle of so many useless worlds and quarrels. Sorry for replying only now. I had quite a bad time. Then a lot of work. However, most of all, I got too frustrated by losing time talking to people like Zello and Co. and correcting what was already ok. I guess you can understand very well what I am talking about.
As you have noticed, I am partially back, but it's more about occasional edits of certain stuff that I know well. Eventually I would like to get back and contribute to our cause again, unfortunately this is not a good moment. No yet. I appreciate (and I am grateful) for what you (and others) are doing. Hope to join you soon :)
After having read your message, I checked the Bratislava article, and must say, the improvement is quite impressive. Still there are things to be reconsidered, before voting it a feature (IMHO). Who is the one responsible for such a leap forward (or who are) ? Hope you don't mind questions, since I must also ask you what happened to Juro? I discovered just now that he was banned, but I don't understand well the mechanism behind. Is it forever? Do you agree? Can I do something about it? I have to admit he made me angry too, quite a few times, with his doberman approach, however his knowledge and devotion deserve(d) much respect. It's a great loss. Good luck man! It may take me a while to reply, but it will not be another year, promise. :) Jurohi 02:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

→ Hi Tankred, I see that you´ve submitted a lot of articles about Slovakia, do you have Slovak origin, or? Lossamo 01:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC) →

[edit] Request

Please read this: WP:Stalking. Thank you. Squash Racket 16:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Random Editor

Hi. I saw that you had left messages at User talk:The Random Editor and just wanted to let you know that according to his message at the top of that page, he's on sabbatical, possibly permanently. If you have urgent need to contact him, you may be able to reach him through "email this user" in his toolbox, but if the matter concerns Wikipedia he may not choose to respond. --Moonriddengirl 15:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. Who reads the top of talk pages? :D --Moonriddengirl 15:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Rozhanovce erb.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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[edit] Blocked

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 h in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating WP:3RR on Slovakia (see noticeboard report). Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Sandstein 08:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Town Slovakia

Template:Infobox Town Slovakia has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (I know you're still blocked, but this is just to inform you about nomination) — MarkBA t/c/@ 18:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[personal attack written in Czech removed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.113.137 (talk) 04:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BOX

Thanks for your suggestion. I will do so in the future. Dobrú noc. --Koppany 19:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] House of Esterházy

Do you have one credible source stating the House of Esterházy is a "Slovak noble house"? Squash Racket 15:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Please read the related talk page. Tankred 15:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
In 1945 the Communist regime abolished titles? So what? Squash Racket 16:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
What? I am sorry, I did not get that one. Tankred 00:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I've read the related talk page as you asked. Squash Racket 18:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Something else: could you please rename the list of Slovaks or leave the Hungarians out of it? You were so horrified by Magyarization, what are you doing now? The definition in the second sentence does not match the title and the first sentence. And guess who created this article.Squash Racket 18:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the lead of the list states in a clear way that the list also includes people born in Slovakia and people of Slovak descent. Rakoczi was born in the territory of Slovakia. Kossuth was from a Slovak family. You have delete them without any explanation. Will you please remove Nicolas Sarkozy in a similar way from the List of Hungarians because he is clearly French? I am sorry, but your criteria do not seem to be very consistent across different articles. Tankred 19:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Nicolas Sarkozy's father was a Hungarian noble. I read Kossuth's article and to me it seems that only his uncle was a Slovak, his parents were not. Rákóczi was born in the Kingdom of Hungary, his birth there is not enough reason to include him on a list of Slovaks, don't you think?
I repeat: your definition does not match the title. You talk about the second sentence, but you are silent about the first sentence and the title. Squash Racket 19:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
'Also, Lajos considered himself a full Magyar (in the ethnic sense) and openly denied the mere existence of a Slovak nation.' Also that. Now what should I think? Squash Racket 20:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh my God, both the title and the criteria are pretty standard in WP. Rákóczi was born in what is now Slovakia. Therefore, he is included in the List of Slovaks. El Cid, Averroes, and Hadrian were born in what is now Spain, so they are included in the List of Spaniards. I have never heard about anyone trying to remove them from the list because Spain did not exist when they were born. So, I do not understand why some Hungarian editors are unhappy about the List of Slovaks. Tankred 21:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian names for Slovak villages

A bit touchy question. I prefer editing landscape realted articles though I also have some settlement snap which I add to Slovak settlements as well, together with putting the Geobox, of course. Is there any consensus as of adding former Hungarian names to Slovak villages? I do not have problem adding German names to Czech settlements either, they're a part of history, you will find them referred to under their German/Hungarian names in many resources, maps etc. In my view historical names are exactly that sort of information that belongs to an encyclopaedia. It's no big issue for me, I just think adding missing data to articles is a good idea. – Caroig (talk) 18:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

We usually include German and Hungarian names in all articles about settlements in Slovakia because of the historical reasons. We also include a previous Slovak name if it has been recently changed. You can find more information about how to format these names in WP:NCGN. Geoboxes include an alternative name in a foreign language whenever more than 50% of population speaks that language. I hope this helps. If you have any more specific question, please drop me a line. Tankred 19:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Thta's fine, I've seen some diputes whether to use or not use former (mostly German) placenames in various articles in the Central European region (Czech as well) which I considered ridiculous, history's just history, but I didn't want to raise any protests if there were some strong objection against this practice for Slovakia – Caroig (talk) 19:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy

It will be very good if you can find place in article for definition: "Remnants of the remnants of the Croatian kingdom" (latin:Reliquiae reliquiarum regni Croatiae). In this way Croatia has been called by Pope in late 16 - and 17 century and this has become ulmost myth (everybody is learning this in school) in Croatia and battle cry during this period [4] and google is giving 92 hits (even russian ??) if you use latin version --Rjecina 06:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

What you think about user:Jesuislafete demand. Can we delete part Unfolding and from this information create parts: Wesselényi conspiracy and Zrinski-Frankopan conspiracy ?? --Rjecina 01:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
In the end I am guilty for user:Jesuislafete because I have asked for her comments...My wish has been that we have other croatian thinking (not only I) about article so that there is no latter problems ... --Rjecina 20:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Native Americans in America and Hungarians and Slovakia

I am from Arizona and live in an area that once belonged to Native Americans, who were ethnically cleansed or murdered so that white settlers could live there. Living in Arizona feels natural, I never even think about who the land used to belong to. I can admit that wrong was done though. When will you be able to admit you did the same thing with Hungarians in Upper Hungary? Do you really believe all the stuff that is in Slovak textbooks, even Czech textbooks contradict them. You are really ridiculous, but if you like living an illusion help yourself... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.224.28.2 (talk) 09:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] famous slovakians?

It is historically inaccurate to say Rakoczi or Kossuth or Bathory are Slovakian because Slovakia did not exist when they were born. Is Kant Russian because he was born in Königsberg? Is Eichendorf Polish because he had property in present day Poland? Just accept it, you do not really have much of a history —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.224.28.2 (talk) 09:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Majster Kat

Hi Tankred, please, how long will be the Majster Kat article introduced with the headline Articles for Deletion? 82.119.96.236 (talk) 23:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banská Bystrica

Hi Tankred. Well, although transport is in my fields of interests, I'm not sure if I can add something relevant on this one. All that I could is to add railway lines and roads from and to the city. Additionally, there has been such chaos with mass transit there that I can't safely tell what is in operation and what isn't (maybe [5] is a good source, but unofficial one, but I don't know whether I can trust official BB municipal transit site). To Economy, I thought about this one too, but I don't know as well if something except unemployment rates and salaries can be added, though, I'll try to find something. MarkBA t/c/@ 06:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

So I tried to look up something to transport, and I added two sentences to the public transport. Rest, not so much (some about roads, and this says something about shorter end of the stick when it comes for transportation). To Economy, I've found some for the regional statistics, but something purely for the city, nada. MarkBA t/c/@ 15:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nationalism in India

Hello Tankred, could you please check out my reply to ur response to Nationalism in India ? Thanks. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 05:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Polish occupation?

Do you think the term Polish occupation should be shown in some articles? I think it is not neutral (and not used in English sources), and as such we should use some less controversial formulation.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I am quite concerned with who created the redirect and where and for what purposes is it being used. You may want to look at the relevant article's (and user's) history.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

From WP:NCGN:"However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception."
Definition of guideline: "By definition, following a guideline is never mandatory (protocol would be a better term for a mandatory procedure)".
Also, English sources mention the Hungarian name, so no problem in including it. Squash Racket (talk) 06:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I see no reason why not to respect the naming convention. It brings consistency into Wikipedia and reflects a wider consensus between editors. You should provide a real argument to convince me that your solution is more sensible than the whole naming convention in this particular case. The statement "today Piestany" is not true because Piestany has been Piestany since the Middle Ages. I guess you meant that the town was better known under its Hungarian name at the time Vasarely lived there. But you should have chosen better wording. Until you convince me by your arguments and evidence, I have to revert it to the previous version. Tankred (talk) 15:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Slovakia

I created it, let's give it try Wikipedia:WikiProject_Slovakia. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 07:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

We would like to invite you to join WikiProject Slovakia, an attempt to build and maintain a large and neutral database of Slovakia-related articles on Wikipedia. To join, simply add your name to the members section of WikiProject Slovakia.

≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 08:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Victor Vasarely

Please make your arguments at the talk page of the specific article where editors of the article can see it and discuss, others might be intrested in this discussion and they should not be forced to read user talk pages if they want to comment. I will be happy to comment if you repost your thoughts at the Vasarely talk page. Hobartimus (talk) 17:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samo

I have basically rewritten his reign with one source. I have clearly marked off all that is unsourced, because this subject requires very extensive sourcing, since it is so prone to nationalistic biases and such. I don't know if you can be of any help, but perhaps you could expand on it with other sources for balance? Or simply source what is unsourced? Do you know German? They have a great article over at de.wikipedia. Srnec (talk) 03:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas

Your gifts are already here :-)
Your gifts are already here :-)
User:Piotrus and friends, in the midsts of Wigilia, wish you to enjoy this Christmas Eve!
User:Piotrus and friends, in the midsts of Wigilia, wish you to enjoy this Christmas Eve!

I don't know if you'll read this before 24th or, at least 31st, but I wish you Merry Christmas and a happy (and productive!) New Year 2008. Thank you for your collaboration this year and let's hope we will see even better contributions in 2008. MarkBA t/c/@ 23:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Putting aside our disagreements, I too wish you a Merry Christmas. ;-) K. Lásztocskatalk 17:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Xmas

I wish you a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! --R O A M A T A A | msg  18:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 23 December 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Urpín, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 13:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Slovakia

(continue from my page)... I'd be willing to look after them, but, unfortunately, I'm leaving for a vacation as well so from around 29th this year to maybe 6th of January I'll be not able to address any of the comments and I'm not feeling like to address issues. Should I request delay or to note that at that time they'll receive no response (though User:Carca220nne may be able to address Gerlach Peak issues, but I don't know if he'll be away as well). Btw, I think that I shouldn't nominate Gerlach as a GA (no good sources by me), though, some "back-up" should be available and as long as we three are here it's just a formality.

For the Project itself, well, most of the Geography article isn't my work; de:Benutzer:Meichs has written the German version, and so I just translated and edited for the English version. Other targets, which are bit more tricky (for me at least) are Culture of Slovakia, Slovak literature and maybe not yet existing Sport in Slovakia. And lastly: enjoy your vacation and Happy New Year 2008! MarkBA t/c/@ 14:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

So now we have Gerlach put "on hold". From what I can see, some issues can be solved relatively easily, some others require more intervention. Btw, welcome back from your vacation (I hope you enjoyed it!). MarkBA t/c/@ 00:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, what I should with the first point? I know absolutely nothing from where this could come, so I don't know. If something isn't going to happen, should I remove it to lower chance of failing and reinsert later with some citation or risk it? MarkBA what's up?/my mess 21:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Although the statement itself is perfectly true, I could not found any supporting citation for it. I think it would be better to remove that sentence for now. Btw, my access to the Internet is still very limited and I will be fully back after Jan. 16. Tankred (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh... Well, never mind, I got it passed (without that statement) and we have another GA. So now we have to wait for someone to pick Banská Bystrica. All I just hope that I won't get to some edit war before your return to "full operation", because I have feeling that something like that may happen any time now (if you consider this weird, don't worry, I have sometimes such feelings). MarkBA what's up?/my mess 18:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Banská Bystrica GA nomination

Seeing that you're the main editor of Banská Bystrica, I'm letting you known that I'm putting the article on hold until some concerns raised on talk are addressed. I will also assist with working on the article. Cheers, —dima/talk/ 02:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Weather

Hi. I experience the cut-off problem in Firefox as well. If you'll take a look on the source of the template, a possible solution would be to reduce size of fields and/or text (from default 90% to say, 75%) and moving the whole box to the left, however, I'm reluctant to do so as I don't know if other editors will accept such changes, even if rationale could be reasonable. Another option would be to use Template:Climate chart, which displays essentially the same information, but in other format. I'm not in favour of using line format of Infobox Weather, like shown on the template's talk page. So, I don't know if we should request some feature implementation for size, try to persuade about size change or to try something else. MarkBA what's up?/my mess 16:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Phew. Problem solved at least in a satisfactory way. Good that you've found layout pages, I myself forgot the suggested order and placed History as a second/third (with Names) section. MarkBA what's up?/my mess 16:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Svetovid's edit

I didn't see you reverting his edit[6] despite constant fighting when it comes to Slovak names in Hungary-related articles. Squash Racket (talk) 16:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I would take his edit as a glimpse of the can of worms you have opened by removing alternative names from articles about towns in Hungary. Your own actions are legitimizing Svetovid's behavior and jeopardize Hungarian names in other Slovakia-related articles. Tankred (talk) 20:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
He started to "react" on my yesterday action almost a week ago[7]? You also hold that position regarding Zsolna where he had made a similar edit four days ago? You also edited the article yesterday, so you probably know about that. Squash Racket (talk) 05:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] January 2008

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule . Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. B (talk) 06:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Please see [8] for the relevant AN3 report. When your block expires, please remember to discuss changes rather than simply revert. --B (talk) 06:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | rangeblocks | unblock | contribs | deleted contribs) has asked to be unblocked, but an administrator has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock request while you are blocked.

Request reason: "Could you look at the diffs provided in the 3RR report please? You will see that the report is false, made to silence me in a content dispute with User:Hobartimus. My first edit was restoration of deleted text, so it should count as a revert. My second edit was not a revert at all, but addition of citations. It was expansion of an article, addition of a completely new text. How can that count as a revert? My third edit was a revert after these references to a major academic journal and a book published by Oxford University Press got deleted without any explanation. So, only this edit is my second revert. My fourth edit was my third revert. As you can easily see by checking the diffs provided in the 3RR report, I reverted only three times in 24 hours. This is not the first false 3RR report submitted against me during this content dispute. The previous one included 2 non-reverts as alleged reverts and was rejected. I urge you to always check the diffs in the filed reports because the 3RR noticeboard is being abused by some users in order to illegally block their opponents. To give you some context, User:Hobartimus is constantly deleting a section of Kingdom of Hungary, despite references to academic literature. His deletion has been reverted by User:KissL, User:Svetovid, and me. The false 3RR report only provided him with a mean to safely vandalize that article again. If there is anyone to check the diffs and unblock me, please include the reason ("blocked by mistake") in my block log. Thank you for your time and consideration."

Decline reason: "(A) I would count that second one as a revert - you added info, but deleted other (essentially reverting). However, even were that not the case, (B) the 3 revert-rule does not entitle you to 4 reverts - it is still edit warring. — Pastordavid (talk) 17:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)"

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List of diffs provided in the report: [9][10][11][12] Tankred (talk) 14:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)