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[edit] Fair use templates

From Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soap Operas

The BetacommandBot has been especially annoying lately, as the "deadline" for all images to be compliant with WP:NFCC in a "machine-readable format" (or be deleted) is coming up in March. I wanted to give everyone a little help to get this thing off our backs!

The most common issue with images is that they're lacking certain necessary details; in particular, the article names in which the image is used must be noted on the desciption page (not just auto-displayed under "The following pages link to this file") and each use must have its own fair use rationale. The best way to fix the problem once and for all is to use a fair use template; this allows the bots to detect that all pertinent information is provided. The least cumbersome templates right now are {{Non-free image data}} and {{Non-free image rationale}}, which are used in conjunction with each other.

Each image should contain one instance of {{Non-free image data}} with all parameters filled in, and then one instance of {{Non-free image rationale}} for each use.

I've just implemented templates on all One Life to Live images. Since most soap images seem to be used in just a single article, feel free to just copy the code on any of these images for your use (including the purpose/rationale), obviously changing performer, character, show, source and category info, etc. Note that all parameters except "other information" are required. It is recommended to note the uploader of the current version under "source", whether or not an actual source weblink is available.

Here are some suggested examples for copying and study:

  • Image:OLTL David Fumero.jpg - Clean example of a character screenshot which is used in only one article.
  • Image:ToddBlair-TSJKD.jpg - Example of a promotional image used in one article; note that screenshots are preferred to promotional images by the "Fair Use police," so depending on the use you may still get a hard time with these.
  • Image:Super Friends.jpg - Image used in multiple articles; note that the "image data" (blue) template appears once but the "rationale" (pink) template is repeated, and the "purpose/rationale" may be slightly different for each, depending on that particular use.

Hope this helps! — TAnthonyTalk 00:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate to {{non-free media rationale}}

From Wikipedia talk:Non-free content criteria/Proposal

With the BetacommandBot being especially annoying lately, I thought some of you might find useful an alternate to the {{non-free media rationale}} template. The {{Non-free image data}} and {{Non-free image rationale}} templates (used in conjunction with each other) allow for mutliple uses/rationales without duplicating the image description/source info. They are basically an adaptation of {{non-free media rationale}} using the genius idea of this proposal's mockups. Check out Image:Super Friends.jpg to see them in action. — TAnthonyTalk 01:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate to {{non-free media rationale}}

I thought you might find these alternates useful: the {{Non-free image data}} and {{Non-free image rationale}} templates (used in conjunction with each other) allow for mutliple uses/rationales without duplicating the image description/source info. They are basically an adaptation of {{non-free media rationale}} using the genius two-template idea from here. Check out Image:Super Friends.jpg to see them in action. — TAnthonyTalk 16:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Téa Delgado

Hey, I see that you internal-linked her name in the Blair Cramer Manning article, which hints to me that you may be getting ready to create this article. I already had plans to create this article. However, if you want to go ahead and create it, I don't object. I'll add to it after you create it. I'm not sure why you internal-linked her as Téa Delgado Manning (though you pipe-tricked her as Téa Delgado), considering that they are divorced and there was no mention that she was still using the last name Manning, but, anyway, I'll talk with you later. Flyer22 22:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I was going off the List of One Life to Live characters and thought that list had used the full name, but it was actually pipe-tricked the other way; I've switched it in the Blair article because on second thought, she's always been known by Delgaos and Manning is a technicality. I was actually going to put entries for Téa and others in the One Life to Live minor characters article, unless you think she really is in need of her own article? — TAnthonyTalk 23:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yes, I most definitely feel that Téa needs her own article. Now, TAnthony (gasps), I cannot even believe that you asked me such. She wasn't a minor character. And as popular as she was/is, her own article is warranted. Flyer22 02:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL, I don't mean to minimize her importance, but I think as a relatively short-term character (like 3 yrs) who hasn't been on the show in years and isn't connected to a bunch of other people, I can't imagine she needs a whole article. The "Minor character" article is basically a holder for miscellaneous people not part of other families. I mean, I think you can sum her entire run in a few paragraphs, no? I say start her small, and if there is really that much to say, as well as sources asserting how popular she was or whatever, she can be expanded. I can't imagine there'll be a while lot of character analysis out there, like there is for Todd Manning. — TAnthonyTalk 02:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The conclusion that there isn't a lot of character analysis for this character like there is for Todd Manning applies to a lot of soap opera characters, of course. Anyway, three or four years on One Life to Live, I wouldn't call that a minor character if they had as much impact on viewers as she did. To me, that's like calling Babe Carey from All My Children a minor character, since she's been on for four years (at this time). One of the sources in the Todd Manning article even mentions how popular Téa Delgado was. I have soap opera magazine pages in my home from the Todd and Téa mania, when people were just as crazy about that couple as Todd and Blair. Yes, there's much that I can add to the Téa Delgado article besides just plot. However, it may not be soon that I create her article, and I'm thinking that I'll create her portrayer's article first — Florenzia Lozano. When I'm about to start the Téa Delgado article, I'll let you know. Maybe it won't be that long from now that I create it. Flyer22 03:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
But Babe Carey is a current character; and I don't think "minor" means "supporting," it's just that in the bigger context of the show, what impact has she had? What legacy has she left? Victor Lord has relatives all over the place and he doesn't have (or need) his own article beyond what exists. And you're right, most soap articles don't deserve to exist for many reasons, but we love them so they're staying! I don't want you to think I dislike Téa in particular or will fight you on what you create, and perhaps she is an exception, but just because a character is notable in some way doesn't mean they need a whole article. LOL, but I know we agree on so many other things that I can't imagine we won't end up agreeing on this. My argument is probably more of a general one. In the meantime, I may give Téa a destination somewhere, but she can certainly be expanded later. — TAnthonyTalk 03:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
What legacy has Téa Delgado left? Scaring the heck out of Blair if she were to ever return. LOL.
Hmm. You can go ahead and give her a home for now, but I would rather you not and just wait until I create her article. I may get on creating her article (as well as her portrayer's article) right after I (hugely) fix up the Tad Martin and Dixie Cooney article and fix up the Leo du Pres and Greenlee Smythe article a little. If it seems that I'm taking too long to create the Téa Delgado article, then, of course, I don't object at all to you giving her a home in the meantime. Flyer22 03:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Truthsayers?

Your edit to the Dune page got me to wondering... It's been a while since I've read HoD & CH:D all the way through, but wasn't there something about a male truthsayer in there? Or was it just a male with truthsense? Rebecca's husband or intended or something? I'll look later for myself, but thought you might know/remember better. Cheers. --SandChigger 22:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I certainly think it's reasonable to assume that Bene Gesserit-trained males (Paul, Leto II, Farad'n etc) have the ability, though to be deemed a "Truthsayer" like Mohiam it seems you must achieve a certain level of excellence (the glossary notes, "TRUTHSAYER: a Reverend Mother qualified to enter truthtrance and detect insincerity or falsehood," which indicates to me not all RMs may be able to do it adequately). Of course, Lady Jessica can certainly smell a lie in Children of Dune, and I would think others can as well elsewhere in the series. But in the context of that paragraph in the article for the novel Dune, which is describing the BG at the time of Dune, Frank Herbert had not suggested that there were any male Bene Gesserit "Truthsayers" at this point, so saying "people" instead of "women" didn't seem accurate to me. — TAnthonyTalk 23:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Regarding this comment: "it's both a rehash of other areas and mostly OR (editor-drawn comclusions and comparisons). But I will document and edits/suggestions I have on that article's talk page. Thanks for listening". Can you please explain it a little bit? In the Kate Howard article, I researched what was being said on the web and magazine articles and put sources for the conclusions drawn. It is ok then if I did it this way? Can you review it and tell me if I should change it. --Charleenmerced Talk 22:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Quickly, in a nutshell, the entire list of "similarities" is original research; the comparable list in Miranda Priestly is as well, and I'm surprised no one had taken issue with it yet. Plus, you can't use another WP article as a reference, especially when that section is also unsourced. It is frustrating, but you really have to have a published source that says "Kate is similar to Anna in these 3 ways" when drawing any such conclusion. The section about her name being allusive is the most blatant case of OR. And what I meant by "rehash" was the introductory sentences of the section, which are redundant in the context that I think the bulk of the section will end up being removed. And overall, the entire section is kind of trivial. HOWEVER, I would definitely like to read the whole thing and think about it before I actually make an edit or give you suggestions. It may just be a matter of reorganizing certain things to make other items able to be kept.
By the way, I want to say that I'm impressed with your effort and the overall quality and format of the article, and hope you don't take my criticism as anything other than an effort to improve the article. I don't want to act like I know everything, but I have had my own work edited/slashed/improved in non-soap areas and witnessed many debates/discussions over notability, OR and such, and have learned from it. As I've said a lot in other soap discussions here, so far the soap articles have slipped under the radar, but ultimately they will get noticed and targeted for their weaknesses and violations. I'm all about preventative measures! — TAnthonyTalk 22:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your comments, I will work on this section. I hope you enjoy the article.--Charleenmerced Talk 00:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image categories?

I'm hoping you can help me figure this out... I created Category:The Young and the Restless images a few days ago after seeing how simple it made things like in Category:One Life to Live images. Can you tell me how to sort the category alphabetically (like Category:One Life to Live images) instead of having them all bunched together? It's starting to get on my nerves that I can't figure it out. LOL :) I figured you would be a good person to ask. :) Thank you! —Evaglow 05:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Not sure how you went about creating your category, my Days category doesn't do that. I went to an image, added the name to the category [[[:Category:The Young and the Restless images|Fisher, Whatever]]] and it sorted under F. So whatever name you want it under, last name, first name, image name, you have to put that after the category. Fortunately mine sorts all by itself. Not sure how to change that, but that's how you fix it. IrishLass 15:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, the sorting is done at the image level. You can manually enter sort keys the way IrishLass suggests, which is ideal but can sometimes be confusing because an image someone else uploaded may be called "OLTL1.jpg" but it's of Viki and you are manually sorting it by her name instead. Adding {{PAGENAME}} to that category like this: [[Category:One Life to Live images|{{PAGENAME}}]] will alphabetize by the 1st letter after "Image" -- right now your images are all sorting by the "I". — TAnthonyTalk 18:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dune notes

Hey there, sorry you had to go back and take out "purportedly" (which I misspelled, clearly) in all those articles; I agree with you and hate all the "claim" and "supposedly" bull, but I was afraid of a mass revert after the recent reverts/changes at Sandworms and Hunters over this old issue. — TAnthonyTalk 00:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

It was no problem. I hate when this issue comes up because it is the same thing over and over. "State" seems like a fair compromise to me, I just wish everyone could agree on something fair so we could move beyond this pointless battle. Konman72 (talk) 01:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] El Cor de la Ciutat

Hey there, I came across your new Template:WikiProject El Cor de la Ciutat because I monitor a bot which looks for new WikiProject banners not yet compliant with Template:WikiProjectBannerShell (WPBS is a function which allows WP banners to be collapsed to save space if there are several on a particular Talk page). Anyway, I made the template compliant and fixed the format error keeping the text outside the box.

By the way, to add the banner to a talk page, you should not paste all the code there, just paste {{WikiProject El Cor de la Ciutat}} into the page. It will appear the same, and then all pages are tied to the same template; when you make changes to the template, all pages will be updated.

By coincidence, I am also an active member of WP:SOAPS and perform a lot of our maintenance tasks. When I noticed that El Cor de la Ciutat was a soap, I added all of your El Cor de la Ciutat-related articles and categories to the Project and performed some other basic cleanup and sorting.

I noticed your question about sources above; a lot of soap articles have come under fire on this issue because many articles are undeveloped and of course there isn't a whole lot of coverage in mainstream media. Web searches may help, but is the series covered in any soap or TV magazines like US and British shows are? Anyway, some of your articles may technically be "in violation" but will probably not be nominated for deletion in their current state. If any of them is, let me or the Project know and we will work to save them.

Please let me know if I can help you out in any way in the creation and expansion of your articles. — TAnthonyTalk 04:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, you may want to use {{Infobox soap character}} instead of your new Template:El Cor de la Ciutat character; our template has many built-in fields and functions specially-designed for soaps (like a collapsible Relationships section), but you can still customize the colors. See Tina Clayton Lord for an example of it in use, and of course let me know if you have any questions about it. — TAnthonyTalk 05:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say thanks so much for all that you've done - brilliant work! Will check out all the stuff you've pointed out over time but it may take a while because you've been so thorough! Keep up the good work - Wikipedia needs more geniuses like you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theolimeister (talk • contribs) 10:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soap character infobox

Just an FYI, since the new {{Infobox soap character}} contains a collapsible section for character relationships, I've reverted your addition of a "Marriages" section to the Jessica Buchanan article. This info is already noted in the infobox, and within the article text as well. This is part of WP:SOAPS' ongoing task of removing unnecessary and excessive lists from articles. Thanks. — TAnthonyTalk 01:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alex Olanov

FYI, it's a copyright violation to cut and paste text from another website and present it on WP, as you did to create the Alex Olanov article. Please make sure all your edits in the future are your own original writing. Thanks. — TAnthonyTalk 16:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Re:El Cor de la Ciutat

Just a quick note to say thanks so much for all that you've done - brilliant work! Will check out all the stuff you've pointed out over time but it may take a while because you've been so thorough! Keep up the good work - Wikipedia needs more geniuses like you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theolimeister (talk • contribs) 10:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Mr. Honest

Take a look at my recent contributes, there's a user "Drnorth16" that I made a comment to. They went "running" to an admin crying I was a meany who should be "revoked". They blanked half the Days cast list and the Will Roberts page. Was I that horrid to a user that's been around for a while? They also "contributed" to my talk page. Thanks!! CelticGreen (talk) 01:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey there, I left comments in both places, hope that helps. — TAnthonyTalk 01:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the help and the compliment. Your a good guy!! CelticGreen (talk) 02:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dynasty

I think you're the same editor who's been expanding all the Dynasty character articles; you should create a username and log in so you're easier to contact, your edits stay together, etc. And thanks for the great work, it was sorely needed. — TAnthonyTalk 16:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's me... I always forget to sign in. It's been slow at work, so this is how I fill my time. My user name is michaelcyr when i remember to sign in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.192.210.204 (talk) 19:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
LOL dude, you've signed in only 5 times out of all those edits! (User:Michaelcyr How can u take credit for your work if you keep coming up as random IP addresses? Hahaha. Anyway, as I get time I'm going to clean up and "wikify" all the character articles you've written. Oh, and as far as the Alexis edits I made: I have a lot of experience with TV articles, an in particular the soap ones, and they are constantly under fire because they contain so much plot summary and not enough real-world context (technically, both WP violations for fiction). In general we get away with it if the articles are otherwise well-done, but I try to trim and tighten where I can. I have a friend who's giving me access to a lot of articles about the show so I can build up the character articles with referenced real-world info (the Karen Cellini interview about her leaving the show, for example.
Don't forget to log in (or sign your posts, for that matter)! Membership has its privileges, LOL. — TAnthonyTalk 20:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] references

I see you've changed the reference code for Giovanni's Room - what difference does that make and why is it better?Zigzig20s 01:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The template I added makes them smaller; it is preferred and it's included in AWB's common automatic changes. — TAnthonyTalk 01:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Another question back at you: why have to changed the category from Bisexual to the more general LGBT parent category? The fact that the LGBT category was previously all-but empty tells me that it's just meant to contain the other, more specific ones. — TAnthonyTalk 02:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Are you referring to the James Baldwin novels? If you are, then that is under the assumption that bisexuality is heterocentric, as Judith Butler has shown. Really the academic term 'queer' would be much more appropriate for Baldwin imo. As for A Visitation of Spirits, I have not read the book (yet) and so I thought it would be a safer bet to change the category to LGBT for the time being - but this has to be checked through a minute reading.Zigzig20s 02:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Point taken, though it seems a little hair-splitting, LOL. Carry on, my good man! — TAnthonyTalk 02:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Another question - why does the stub bracket have to come after the works template?Zigzig20s 02:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
LOL, that one I don't know! AWB suggests changes, that must be an established convention. I would guess that the "powers that be" like to keep the order of things consistent to make it easier for editors to find them, as in the case of the preferred relative placement of the "References," "See also" and "External links" sections. AWB also like adding and removing blank lines in certain places, even though they're not really visible/noticeable when the article is displayed, and I will often skip such an edit if that's all it's suggesting. — TAnthonyTalk 02:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
At least I'm funny apparently...Zigzig20s 02:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello, The start and end dates that I post are first and last air dates in articles from magazines that I have collected over the last five years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.172.89 (talk) 20:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chris Stack

whoever is deleting Chris Stack's name from the comings and goings page, don't do it til after the show on Monday December 3, 2007, which is two days from now. Don't put John Rue's and Januarary Lovy's name in red letters, it looks stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onelifefreak2007 (talk • contribs) 14:01, December 1, 2007

It looks stupid?! Red links are acceptable and preferred for links to articles which may be created. It saves the effort of finding and creating these links later once an article is created. The links are red to stand out, and encourage editors to create the articles. These are contract roles on a network series, they are bound to eventually have articles. For example, Charlie Banks (OLTL) was redlinked for awhile, and when the article was recently created, the link was instantly active. If he was de-linked in the first place, someone reading or editing the list wouldn't know he had his own article. Your time would be better spent actually expending an article rather than constantly playing around with the cast list. Thanks. — TAnthonyTalk

[edit] Michael McBain picture

Hey

Somebody needs to update the picture of Michael McBain since Nathaniel Marston is not playing him anymore and Chris Stack is.

PJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onelifefreak2007 (talk • contribs) 12:12, December 3, 2007

Hey there, I fixed the image problem by re-uploading it; your original upload should be deleted. Keep in mind that you should name images more specifically, and include a fair use rationale template, copyright tag and categories. Also, we don't necessarily remove old performer photos, we move them; see the Michael McBain article. Finally, did you capture the image any bigger? The soap template automatically resizes it to like 210px, and yours is smaller so it comes out slightly pixelated. If you have it in a slightly higher resolution, you can upload it over Image:MichaelMcBain-ChrisStack-2007.jpg. Thanks. — TAnthonyTalk 21:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

By the way, there is no need to change dates between European/American designation (like 3 December 2007 to December 3, 2007) — as you can see, they appear exactly the same way, based on each editor's date display preferences. — TAnthonyTalk 22:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm an American and I prefer it the American way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onelifefreak2007 (talk • contribs) 15:37, December 3, 2007
I'm American too, but those kind of useless edits waste resources and bog down watchlists. If you're entering info, you can do it any way you want, but there's no use changing what's already there because it displays exactly the same. Anyway, I'm very appreciative of your recent edits and addition of valuable information; you should join WP:SOAPS and monitor our discussions. Finally, as a reminder, please indent your comments and sign all your talk page posts using the four tildes, "~~~~" Thanks. — TAnthonyTalk 00:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey Anthony I like you do you have AIM or something cuz I would like to get to know you and this, I think you can help me out with uploading images and such. Hey if you want my screen name it's Skynyrdfreak05, my Yahoo: THSTrojan2006 and MSN: Kennychesneyfan2005@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onelifefreak2007 (talk • contribs) 17:25, December 3, 2007

[edit] Dates

Out of curiousity, where are you getting all your actor start/stop dates? It is usually recommened that you add references for this kind of specific information that cannot be easily checked, especially when in some cases you've changed the information that's already there. — TAnthonyTalk 01:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello, The start and end dates that I post are first and last air dates in articles from magazines that I have collected over the last five years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.172.89 (talk) 20:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I assumed that, and didn't necessarily doubt that they were correct. But considering that other online sources may differ, you should document the source of your information if the dates in question aren't already found somewhere else. For example, both of the references for Paige Miller (Alexandra Neil profile - SoapCentral.com and Alexandra Neil profile - ABC.com list her start date as 1/27/06, while I believe you changed it to 2/6/06. Your date is probably correct, but anyone checking the facts wouldn't be able to find your date. — TAnthonyTalk 21:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts

Hey there, my edits to One Life to Live minor characters and other articles are to fix errors in grammar and tense or add missing links, not just because I like to rewrite everything. Please don't blindly revert them because you like it your way. For example, plot summaries should be written in present tense and the first mention of any proper name must be linked. Also, I often clean up unnecessary detail because plot summaries are supposed to be as brief as possible and soap articles are constantly under attack for having too much plot summary and not enough real-world information. I always assume errors like this are unintentional, so don't take my edits personally. I'm very appreciative of your recent edits and addition of valuable information; you should create a username, join WP:SOAPS and monitor our discussions. Finally, as a reminder, please indent your comments and sign all your talk page posts using the four tildes, "~~~~" Thanks. — TAnthonyTalk 02:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Headings and redirects

Hey there, I just noticed you changed the heading "Brennan Buchanan" in One Life to Live children to "Bree Buchanan." You probably don't realize this, but if you change a heading that notes "This section is the destination" of a link, you must go to each redirect and change it too. Otherwise, that link won't point to that section, since it's looking for the old name. I went ahead and fixed Bree Buchanan, Brennan Buchanan and Bree Brennan, which all redirected there. — TAnthonyTalk 18:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Children of Salem

I added a cool banner that Flyer22 introduced me to tonight to the Children of Salem, Days of our Lives article and listed you as a contributor. I know you haven't contributed per say, but you have been essential to the page with your encouragement and your knowledge of these list pages. If it's not okay, let me know. CelticGreen 02:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the props, I'm always glad to help out. And that banner is cool! — TAnthonyTalk 18:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael and Marcie's wedding

Michael and Marcie married on May 5, 2006. Their reception was drug on until May 10 due to the tornado storyline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OLTL2002 (talk • contribs) 03:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OLTL minor characters

Listen, I don't want to be a jerk, but you keep reverting my fixes of incorrect links and such. For example, it is Paris, Texas, NOT Paris Texas, because your way the "Paris" link doesn't go to the right place. My adding "Victoria Lord Davidson" to the hiddden portion of your "Viki Davidson" link avoids the redirect, which is always preferred. Also, your continuing to change the Renee Buchanan heading messes up the redirects, about whuich you seem not to care. I've compromised on that ene, even though she is noted as "Renee Divine" at the start of the paragraph because she was unmarried when she arrived. Finally, you must accept that some of your writing may be awkward, or contain point-of-view phrasing not acceptable for an encyclopedia entry. Please defer to those of us with more experience here. If we keep reverting each other's edits, the article will be locked to stop or "edit war." — TAnthonyTalk 21:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi,Might I add that I edit some of your pages to increase accurate information. I have been writing for six years "Mr. Perfectionist", so I don't need somebody telling me how to write. I am quite aware of proper grammar and spelling, which is why I use it. The only different between my paragraphs and your paragraphs is NOTHING. I come here because there are so many sites with in-accurate information, which I have always wanted to improve. I am not a person that goes around causing trouble, but there is a limit before I snap back. I work hard on the things that I write, and I don't write things for people to trash. I have experience. Maybe you'll take into consideration that you aren't the only person on this planet and that your crap stinks, too. Trust me, with the mood that I am in today, I am surprised I haven't said any kind of vulger language, which is why I am both going now, and never editing anything here again. I will go elsewhere where my work is appreciated. Have a nice evening. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OLTL2002 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Look, fixing links is not being a perfectionist. Part of our responsibility as editors is cleaning up sloppiness and ensuring technical accuracy, which is actually more important thatn fictional dates. I appreciate your many factual additions, but in addituion to your technical errors there have been some style issues. Like, you can't say "it is obvious he's having an affair." That's called POV on Wikipedia; I know it seems silly, but the style of writing is asserting an opinion. If I don't remove it, someone else will, or it will compromise the article. Too many "bad things" in an article, and it gets nominated for deletion. This is how Wikipedia works. Soap articles are constantly under attack, we in the Soaps WikiProject are trying to save them. Just because you don't understand something or see the difference does not mean you should revert it, I have like 28,000 edits worth of experience here. I do not want to scare you off, I have always tried to be polite to you, but you have repeatedly ignored my advice/warnings.
AND SIGN YOUR POSTS! — TAnthonyTalk 22:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know, your not the only one who can be mean and vulger. I am not "Attacking" the soap articles. I am improving them. Your not scaring me off, I am going on my own accord.
Signed by: MY BIG FAT ASS
Hows that for signing my post?
P.S. You are a VERY rude person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OLTL2002 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, I didn't mean that you were attacking the articles, I meant that other editors who don't care about soap articles are constantly trying to delete them with any excuse. This is why myself and other editors are constantly monitoring and "fixing" the articles. I don't expect you to know every stupid detail about Wikipedia that I do, which is why I have made changes myself and given you advice for future edits. I don't believe I have been rude at all. You are the one that takes my edits personally, and reverts things without reading edit summaries or considering logical actions. And that fact that a bot has to keep signing your posts for you should tell you that you're a little behind. Leave if you want. — TAnthonyTalk 23:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Always have to have the last word, eh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by OLTL2002 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OLTL/Mark Solomon

Thanks for fixing my mistake of leaving two of the same paragraph in the One Life to Live minor characters article. Sorry if you got accused of vandalism! Anyway, just saw your other edits as well and you think like I think; you should create a username and join in the fun! — TAnthonyTalk 23:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting the mistake concerning Mark Solomon. Granted I did not read both paragraph to see the differences, but I noticed it was practically the same wording, So I erased it, but then Alexfusco saw it as vandalism which I thought it was not. I thought that this was odd. I also added a link to the actor's page. Thanks again 69.90.207.137 (talk) 23:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC) samusek2
Yeah, good catch on the incorrect actor's name; not sure who originally added it. Thanks. — TAnthonyTalk 23:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I just saw your other note. It was no problem. I do edit on Wikipedia from time to time. I will think about getting an account here, however there are certain contributors on Wikipedia, who do not take kindly to some of my edits for whatever reason, unlike you. Thanks.69.90.207.137 (talk) 03:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC) samusek2

[edit] From User talk:70.17.178.143

[edit] Margaret Cochran

Regarding your reverts to Margaret Cochran; WP specifies present tense for fiction (dies not died), though I still need to convert the entire article to present tense as well. Also, the year is required even for current dates. You're assuming the article will be edited in 2008, perhaps it won't and the date would be confusing/inaccurate. I don't see why you insist on deleting it. — TAnthonyTalk 19:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Please also leave red links alone, they allow for future articles to be created and are perfectly acceptable. — TAnthonyTalk 20:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing.

[edit] List of One Life to Live cast members

Please stop removing sourced information from List of One Life to Live cast members. I have provided references for the spelling "Stuart" and you continually revert the information with no source of your own. — TAnthonyTalk 23:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC) This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you delete or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing.

[edit] Date format

FYI, you should note that full dates are displayed the same (based on user prefs) whether you include the comma (December 25, 2007) or not (December 25, 2007) or if they're presented the Euro way (25 December 2007). So there's no need to do an entire edit just to rearrange an accurate date. — TAnthonyTalk 01:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Dune

Hello! thank you. Well i first read it in the most recent iron maiden Fan Club magazine that there was an error in the printing of several versions of the Piece of mind album, and meant that they were very collectable. I then went to google the information to see what was the controversy behind the name, and found this source http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2348 Is this credible enough? cheers. [[User:Jim Sniper|Jim_Sniper]] [[User talk:Jim Sniper|talk]] (talk) 19:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

Thanks for fixing one of the linked IMDb references from my edits to the Princess Leia article. I'm not exactly sure how I got that link wrong, but I'm still grateful. — Cinemaniac (talk) 20:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I just took a shot at re-writing the said info. See if it works. — Cinemaniac (talk) 00:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Kudos to you, TAnthony, for cleaning up my edit to the Leia article and for improving the citations. I went ahead and added the Friends episode reference for you. Hopefully, this vigourous adding of references (to just two sections!) will spur other Star Wars Wikiproject members to add more in the other sections. — Cinemaniac (talk) 02:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!! Name change

I wanted to let you know I did a name change. I was tired of being assumed to be the same person as IrishLass. She's cool, but.... Anyway, just wanted to let you know CelticGreen is now KellyAna (talk) 04:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chris Stack Pic

Hey TAnthony

Look I tried to get Chris Stack's article to have a pic but it said image twice and won't show the pic, same thing happend to Farah Fath. I dunno what's wrong. Can ya fix it, I'll try to get Farah Fath's in as well.

PJ Onelifefreak2007 (talk) 06:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey there; the actor infobox requires that you ass the image name without the word "image:" (it's inserted for you when it displays). However, so you know, fair use images (screenshots) are considered replaceable when it comes to showing what an actor looks like, so they are not supposed to be used in performer articles. The idea is that you can either go to their characters to see them in those roles, or someone has to upload a free image (taken personally, licensed or public domain). — TAnthonyTalk 18:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You really need to look at this

[1] What the hell is up with the page moves? Is there/was there a One Life to Live children page? Something's not right. IrishLass (talk) 20:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, don't know what they were trying to accomplish there, but as you can probably tell I got into it! LOL. — TAnthonyTalk 21:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I saw. She's a "different" type of editor, to say the least. It's advisable to keep an eye on her. She also created a page for a future character on GH. Needless to say, that's already been redirected. IrishLass (talk) 21:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I recall some of your previous run-ins, thanks again for letting me know. — TAnthonyTalk 21:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soap character article risks deletion

Hi - thanks again for the work you did on some of my articles a while back. You did mention that some of them may technically be "in violation" and risk deletion and that if this was the case I should contact you. Well one of my articles (David Peris Noguera) has been nominated for deletion and I wondered if you and the guys at the Soaps Wikiproject could help meout with it?Any helpwould be much appreciated - thanks! theolimeister (talk) 09:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leto Atreides II caption change

Hi. I noticed that change but didn't revert it. Didn't make much sense to me, either. --SandChigger (talk) 18:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soap relationships

From User talk:King Gemini

Hey, thanks for your edits. I wanted to point out that WP:SOAPS has added a section for character relationships to the {{Infobox soap character}}. This is part of WP:SOAPS' ongoing task of removing unnecessary and excessive lists from soap articles. I haven't moved the lists into the infobox for all One Life to Live characters yet, but any you see without lists are probably done. For example, I've reverted your recent additon to Joey Buchanan. Thanks. — TAnthonyTalk 05:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why

Why you change my work? I liked it how I left it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by King Gemini (talk • contribs) 20:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you talking about Joey Buchanan? As I explained on your talk page, the relationship info you added is already included in the article, in the "Relationships" section of the infobox. Click on "Show" and it will expand the box and reveal the lists. — TAnthonyTalk 20:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey random question

I'm searching for info for the new Dune (2010 film) adapation by Peter Berg, and I'm desperate for sources. There is this article by Firstshowing.net, and the Dune 2010 IMDB page is for all intensive purposes worthless. G hits are crap.I want to stub the article (which is incorrectly listed as 2009, and currently redirects to the main Dune page), but I'm afraid that it will be Speedily Deleted. Any suggestions? Thanks as always. Zidel333 (talk) 21:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Days of our Lives ep count

The number all of you put in was incorrect. As of Tuesday according to the reference, the number was 10735. That's the problem with updating it on an assumption, which FightTheDarkness does, and just reverting what's been reverted. I checked the count and corrected the number. The issue at hand, the site that is referenced, which has an accurate count, doesn't always update day to day but they do catch up by the weekend. I don't think anyone was saying it was a rule, they were saying don't WP:CRYSTAL and make sure you have the right number based on the source. Sorry if that came off bitchy, didn't mean to, just tired this morning. IrishLass (talk) 13:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't thinking about the number itself; in response to KellyAna's edit summary, I just wanted to make the point that it doesn't matter when it's updated, and figured my "comment" would be more readily seen in an edit summary. I obviously didn't realize (or check!) that the info itself was bad, so my apologies to you and the other Days peeps! As you realize, I don't usually make any edits there, don't even remember why I had it on my watchlist. And I hear ya, I get so frustrated with the constant minor, stupid and inaccurate edits on various soap articles, I have to keep my evil side in check, LOL  ;) — TAnthonyTalk 17:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I just find it funny that no one bothered to check the actual ep count which made me sort of mad at both KellyAna and FightTheDarkness for not checking and assuming the number was correct in the first place and just adding two on. I do stuff with the pictures from the eps and they are numbered but I can't exactly use those as reference. I can use them to verify the reference as a double check, but I can't use them as a reference in the article. It is the little things irking me lately like why do people feel the need to remove hidden tags instructing people where info can come from? Do they really think this covers their tracks when they make changes? Can you tell I'm frustrated? I just want respectable articles that don't get nominated for AfD because people find gross inaccuracies. Is that too much to ask of those people? LOL!! Have a good one! IrishLass (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
PS regarding the revert. KellyAna may have used the wrong wording but that edit is by a sock that is in the process of being banned. I knew the name sounded familiar. FightTheDarkness (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log) is a sock of a sock that has been banned a few times. If I see their edits I'm going to just automatically revert them. He likes to make up categories and run around adding them to articles. In general the categories end up deleted. IrishLass (talk) 19:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hunters external links section?

Hi. Did you mean to delete that entire section or just one (the middle?) of the links? Which one were you referring to as "not a review...just a preview"? The NYT "Dune Babies" link IS a review. Just wondering.... --SandChigger (talk) 03:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Yikes, sorry about the confusing edit and edit summary! I did intend to get rid of the "Dune 7 ideas" link and also the dunenovels.com (it wasn't pointing to a specific page and the books are out). Regarding the NYT review, you are right — I was looking at both Hunters and Sandworms and thought I was looking at the Sandworms article. I'd prefer if it were quoted rather than just listed as a link, but I suppose we should preserve the link to allow someone to do just that in the future. — TAnthonyTalk 00:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
OK. As they say over here, "Sometimes even monkeys fall from trees". (=Even pros make mistakes!) :) --SandChigger (talk) 02:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Template:Non-free image data

Just a question... but is this one 'bot proof?

The reason I ask is that is isn't generating a link to Category:Non-free images with valid backlink which {{Non-free media rationale}} does. Without that, I believe there are 'bots that will be tagging the 500+ images currently using "image data" as without a valid FUR under IC10c.

- J Greb (talk) 23:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I haven't been on much for the holidays, and a bot seems to have removed that function yesterday while changing the category of the template itself ... fixed now, I believe. — TAnthonyTalk 05:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
FYI, in case you're now monitoring these templates at all, it's the {{Non-free image rationale}} template — not {{Non-free image data}} — that includes "Article" and "Purpose" and thus the categories in question. Thanks. — TAnthonyTalk 18:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
To be honest I was working backward from Image:WWMax.png. At the time of my querie, it had the 2 part ID templates up, but the backlink cat wasn't there. Since the templates are your work, I came here to see if you had run into any troubles.
Since the concern has been addressed (the cat is showing up on the image page) it's a moot point.
Question on a slight tangent though... Why id the "Replaceability" argument in the template for "use" portion and not the template for the overall ID? - J Greb (talk) 19:04, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
As far as the "Replaceable" parameter, I was thinking that there are cases where this could vary by the nature of the use. Like, a non-free photo of Jennifer Grey from a film before her nose job might be used in the article about the actress to illustrate that point, and while that can be explained in "Purpose," the fact that it is impossible to now take a photo of her with her old nose would probably need to be explained/justified, and I would think "Replaceable" would be the place. But perhaps that would be a rare occurance that could be worked around, and I should make that change (while keeping the function active for templates already in use). — TAnthonyTalk 04:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Check this out

[2] So we are nothing more than a vanity project in the minds of some editors? What is up with that? IrishLass (talk) 14:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, this got lost in my Talk page while I was away, I've just left a belated comment about this at User talk:Collectonian. — TAnthonyTalk 01:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:SOAPS

Hi, I'm commenting a bit late on this archived conversation you had regarding WP:SOAPS; IrishLass had mentioned it and it got lost in my Talk page. In any case, I feel like I have to clarify something regarding your perception of the Project. We are well aware that it is a descendant Project of TV, but it certainly allows us to focus efforts on improving the articles in this genre which previously were lost in the thousands of TV pages. The fact that you notified the TV Project about the article IrishLass mentioned and no one got involved sort of proves my point that the general membership of TV isn't concerned with the genre. And I don't think you can call it a "vanity project" any more than the TV project itself. — TAnthonyTalk 01:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

  • shrug* I disagree. I think SOAPS should be a workgroup under television (are there any non-television soap operas? Genres don't need separate projects anymore than individual shows and after seeing what the SOAPs project calls improvement, it seems to have no disregard for its "parent project" or existing Wikipedia guidelines and policies, filling the encyclopedia with literally thousands upon thousands of articles on episodes and characters that never should have been created. Few to none peet WP:EPISODE, WP:FICTION, or WP:N. If there were a system in placed, I'd recommend the project be forced back down to a work group so it can fully be under the TV project for better oversight. As for notification, that isn't my job. I "notified" TV by including it in the deletion sorting because I'm in the Television project. I do the same for any other TV article I AfD or find while browsing the AfDs. I do the same for few other projects I'm a member of. I do not del sort for other projects. Those projects should have people watching the AfDs same as we do. And since any SOAPS AfD would also be in the Television AfD, it probably be even easier just to watch the TV ones. But that's up to y'all since you want to be a standalone project. Collectonian (talk) 01:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I actually agree with some of your points; many people who edit soap-related articles regularly are merely adding miniscule plot details, listing distant relatives and creating articles for soap opera infants — but the bulk of those are IP editors who aren't even part of the Project. We are relatively small and just gaining momentum again, but we do have overall goals that include making soap articles fully compliant with the usual TV and fiction policies. We've begun actively merging and cutting articles and changing tense in an initial "cleanup" phase, and have been slowly identifying articles and implementing the necessary references and real-world context with notability in mind. The first standout achievement of the Project is Pauline Fowler, the first soap article to achieve Featured status. We generally get what needs to be fixed, it's just a daunting task.
This Project was definitely created before my time and I imagine before the concept of task forces was widely known, and I could see it morphing into one in the future. But I feel like you may be thinking this upstart, specific little Project came along and "stole" a bunch of TV articles. In fact, when I came along in May 2007 and added the Project to WP 1.0, it had about 300 articles, hardly any of which had a WP:TV banner. I spent many hours scouring through categories and such tagging articles for the Project — I think we're up to like 2900 right now — and few of them had any WP banners at all, let alone a WP:TV one. A number of these articles probably have no right to exist, but many were actual series, and WP:TV had not adopted them yet. Step one in cleaning house is seeing what you've got and organizing, right? Your point about oversight aside, I don't think WP:TV needs the burden at this point. — TAnthonyTalk 03:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pamela on OLTL

I have a source for the spelling of Pamela "Stewart". It is a magazine clipping that I scanned, but it seems that I can't post it here. 70.17.178.143 (talk) 03:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, but don't you think, considering the more numerous sources that spell it "Pamela Stuart," your one magazine may be wrong? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but "Jeb Stuart" is unchallenged and she got the name by "marrying" him, so common sense alone says it's a typo. Why don't we wait until after she appeaars tomorrow and see if the show or the website solve the debate. — TAnthonyTalk 04:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, sure. With this being Friday, she will most likely be in the closing credits, so I'll check there as well. 70.17.178.143 (talk) 14:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
She was credited as "Pamela Stewart" in the closing credits. I also found an online source. http://www.soaps.com/onelifetolive/spoilers 70.17.178.143 (talk)
They did indeed, but they also credited Tari Signor as "Tar Signor" so I have little faith in the editor who prepares the credits. I work on another soap and it's one of those things that one person does and few people check. In any case, I'm curious to see if they fix their mistake. — TAnthonyTalk 02:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
ABC.com backs up the historical spelling, and the Soaps.com references obviously uses the mistaken credit from 1/18 because it happens to have a screen capture on the page! I'm a perfectionist and normally I would go with "onscreen," but I've been wtahcing the show for over 20 years, they screwed up. — TAnthonyTalk 02:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
For being a perfectionist, you sure do know how to spell "watching". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.178.143 (talk) 03:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Just goes to prove, typos are common. — TAnthonyTalk 03:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and you spelled "accurate" wrong right before you called me a moron. — TAnthonyTalk 03:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I never said that I was a perfectionist...And the closing credits on 1/18 didn't say "Tar Signor", it said "Tari Signor". The letters are so small that sometimes it looks like an error in spelling or a different name. But it did say Tari. And I apologize for calling you a moron. It was uncalled for. 70.17.178.143 (talk) 04:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I put a different footnote back as a compromise, but I assure you, when I did a screen cap of the credits, it very clearly says "Tar." I will totally email it to you if you want. The credits did say "Stewart" though, which is totally wrong and even ABC.com spelled it "Stuart" for Friday's show, but it is what it is. — TAnthonyTalk 14:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Liz Coleman fix

Thanks for the help. First time creating a page. 65852002o (talk) 00:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for writing it. However ... I'm actually merging the article into One Life to Live minor characters, as WP:SOAPS has begin an ongoing effort to consolidate articles, especially for minor characters and those no longer on the series in question. — TAnthonyTalk 00:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

From [User talk:141.151.165.143]

Just so you know, changing dates between "Euro" [[5 February]] [[2008]] and "American" [[February 5]] [[2008]] formats is unnecessary, because they display the same way (5 February 2008 and February 5, 2008) based on user preferences. The difference is only visible in the edit view. — TAnthonyTalk 04:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redlinks

From User talk:70.17.183.28

I'm not going to revert your recent OLTL edits, but what does how long a link has been red have to do with it? Per the Manual of Style, "links do not have an expiration date, beyond which they must be 'fixed.' "If there is a reasonable chance an article will be created (and cast, staff and crew of network television shows are potentially notable), the links should stay red so that they are active when the article is created. Some are just nonexistent because their subjects aren't "sexy" enough, not that they're not notable or deserving. I mean, Linda Gottlieb directed Dirty Dancing, she should probably have an article, and when someone gets around to create it, she won't be backlinked properly to OLTL because you don't like to see red. It'd be one thing if you were picking and choosing based on notability, but you're not. And by the way, linking January and 2006 or whatever has no value, it should be January 2006. And sorry if I sound like a jerk, don't mean to. — TAnthonyTalk 03:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes via AWB

Before you get going to far, I wanted to let you know that the infobox is supposed to go before all article content (with the exception of tags or disambig links). Right now you seem to be adding them after the lead paragraph, which is incorrect. — TAnthonyTalk 17:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I fixed Jason Graae if you want to see what I mean. — TAnthonyTalk 17:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

—I was following one of the guidelines for formatting biographical articles (can't remember which one offhand) that suggested the infobox should appear after the introduction if possible and only in the upper right as a last resort. So I have been placing it in the upper right for very short articles, and after 1-2 paragraphs if there is a suitable amount of material, mostly making an esthetic judgement on how it appears best. Leofric1 (talk) 17:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Point taken, I do see guidelines to that effect at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (infoboxes)#Design and usage. I have just never seen a biography article that didn't have the infobox up top! As a matter of fact, I was just choosing featured articles and random, and every one with an infobox I viewed "violates" these guidelines as far as placement goes. WikiProject Biography doesn't seem to have any recommendations that contradict the MOS guidelines, though, so by all means carry on! Thanks for your hard work. — TAnthonyTalk 18:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)