Talk:Tannhäuser (opera)/Comments

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Lower end of the B spectrum. Some specific areas for improvement:

  • More performance history (e.g. at Bayreuth) needed
  • Synopsis could be improved, and should show clearly where the Dresden/Paris versions differ, and should include the first lines of notable arias, etc., where they occur
  • More discussion of the music would be good
  • Recordings - those generally considered the best (with sources) would be a better choice than "some of the most popular"
  • Illustrations: the Cezanne is irrelevant - what is needed is a scene or two from the opera
  • References: should be replaced by inline refs at appropriate points

--GuillaumeTell 11:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Upper Start class (54 points). Possible improvements:

  • Recent performance history - and practice regarding the different versions.
  • Synopsis - per GuillaumeTell - also adding German for notable arias.
  • Adding critical appreciation and discussion of music section
  • More illustrations - many historic ones must be available.
  • Fully discography including historic pre-war recordings.

-- Kleinzach 01:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

52/100 Upper start range. Unlike some of the other operas, there is some material covering each area of the marking scheme. However, this needs to be deepened as indicated below. A total of 60% is required to reach B-class, so the background and composition material is well up to that standard. The marking scheme and comments indicates where more marks could most easilly be picked up.

  • Background/composition/text: 11/15 a good solid introduction to the work and the mess of different versions. I would suggest also placing the opera in the context of Wagner's oevre as a whole. Also worth mentioning hybrid performing versions such as the Sawallisch Bayreuth one.
  • Performance History: 7/15 very thorough on premieres, but try to find full names for Paris singers, but what since?
  • Tabulated list of roles: 4/5 Give the full names of the characters. Wolfram von Eschenbach isn't just a character in this opera but Wagner's main source for Parsifal.
  • Synopsis 8/10: could do with a little work on the English
  • Notable Arias etc: 2/5 Not enough mentioned. Where is "Dich Teure Halle", for instance? First lines should be in German.
  • Music/Critical appreciation: 4/15 The music really needs its own section. Apart fromt he debuts, there's really no mention of critical opinion.
  • Recordings: 5/10 needs to give main cast for all recordings. Could do also with a mention of recordings of the overture, extracts.
  • Illustrations: 3/10. Agree with the above comments. Should also import some sound extracts, within Wikipedia's policy, e.g. you mention the Venus motif, but how do people know what it sounds like?
  • References, notes, links, sources: 8/15 good to see a start on inline referencing, but obviously we will need more before going for GA. I think that there should be some better external links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter cohen (talk • contribs) 10:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)