Talk:Tana River Mangabey

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[edit] my corrections are not incorrect

I had corrected the Tana River mangabey page on 2 January, and was very surprised to see that my changes were not there the next time I checked. Since it was my first time editing an entry, I thought that I had not saved the changes properly. It was only after I made the corrections again, that I noticed that UtherSRG had undone my changes, claiming that I was incorrect. I made another change, and itn the description of the edit stated something that I now realize I should have used this Talk page to state. I am not incorrect in my changes to the Tana River mangabey entry. I earned my Ph.D. in Anthropology on this species. I have 5 published articles on this species, and two encyclopedic entries on this species. UtherSRG claims that I am incorrect, I believe, because that person is relying on IUCN's Red List of Threatened Species for the taxonomy. But if you look to Groves (2001), Colin Groves is THE expert on primate taxonomy btw, you will see that Cercocebus galeritus, the Tana River mangabey, is considered a separate species from the other Cercocebus mangabeys it had been a subspecies with. IUCN lumps Cercocebus galeritus galeritus, the Tana River mangabey, with Cercocebus galeritus sanjei, the Sanje mangabey from the Udzungwa Mountains in Tanzania. That is why UtherSRG thinks that the Tana River mangabey is found in both Kenya and Tanzania. But if you accept Groves (2001), then those are two separate species. That means that the Tana River mangabey is found only in Kenya, and is Critically Endangered (not Lower Threat, as initially labelled). The one source I cited (Grubb et al., 2003) for considering it is a subspecies, was not a taxonomic publication. The purpose of that article was to look at the distribution of African primates. And even among those 7 authors, several argue for full species status for the Tana River mangabey, which is stated in that publication. I can send more references than those I have posted in the entry if anyone would like.

Juliewhiz (talk) 22:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)