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MUSIC Articles

Hi, I noticed that majority of the articles pertaining to filipino musical groups that they have not been improved for a long time and they do not match the Wikipedia standards. Making changes in fixing the articles are much appreciated Edraf (talk) 13:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

That's because of a very limited sources. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments on Mass Deletion on the Tagalog Wiki

Hi guys, I think we need your opinions regarding the mass deletions for one-sentence articles in the Tagalog Wikipedia. The discussion can be reached here. Thanks.--Lenticel (talk) 12:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Although I don't want to question Felipe Aira's motives, I wish someone will remind him that Wikipedia is not a democracy. By the way, I opposed the proposal. --Sky Harbor 23:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Well we'll have to respect consensus and the community's decision. And my suggestion is not a mere poll, it is a dicussion for change and Wikipedya's higher quality. -- Felipe Aira 03:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Tagalog Sudoku article

I am thinking of creating an article for the Tagalog Wikipedia about sudoku, though not as a direct translation of the article, but more of context. I might even add local flavor by stating that the Inquirer became one of the first newspapers in the Philippines to publish sudoku puzzles. Of course, I'll make it there as an anon since I'm not registered there. There's a problem on how to translate "3x3 grid". I just don't know a good term for "grid" in the first place. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 14:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Using traditional English to Tagalog translation (Tagalog first, then Spanish), a "3x3 grid" is translated as "tatlo sa tatlong tabla". Starczamora (talk) 16:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

How about "object," as in "object of the game"? And puzzle is "palaisipan," right (although mostly used to refer to crossword puzzles)? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 03:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

That would be "layon ng laro", and yes, puzzle is "palaisipan" (I remember people in Batibot use that term to describe puzzles). Starczamora (talk) 16:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Valley Springs

Guys, this needs attention. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 06:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy...just kidding! Oh wait, I just did! Starczamora (talk) 07:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
That was fast! Thank you anyway. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 07:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

EDSA I improvement

I was planning to post this on February, during the anniversary of the event but I'm nearing Wikibonked status right now. So before I go, I posted some refs on the article's talk page. The refs might be useful for the analysis/aftermath part of the article, the only ORish section of the article.

P.S. can someone find a source for the Marcos' finest Hour thing? The source I listed on the talk page doesn't look reliable to me. --Lenticel (talk) 12:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Governors of Ilocos Norte

Can anyone here tell me who was governor of Ilocos Norte in the period between 1986 and 1988? Magalhães (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Between 1986 and 1988, President Corazon Aquino appointed officers-in-charge. Starczamora (talk) 17:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes I am aware of this. But I can't seem to find the name of the appointed governor(s) for Ilocos Norte. (Except for Ablan, Jr.) Magalhães (talk) 19:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
That does indeed seem to be a pattern. My Grandfather was appointed OIC Mayor of Agoo, La Union, for example, but he is not usually listed among the mayors. I am not certain whether this is an official policy because they were not elected, or whether the elected officials generally just didn't like to acknowledge their term as legitimate.Alternativity (talk) 23:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
They're usually included in the rosters of mayors but the OIC should be made to stand out. --Howard the Duck 04:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
From what I know, they are de facto (by nature of their office) and de jure (by virtue of the appointment ordedr) considered as, say, mayors (or acting mayors). Their terms were supposed to be on a hold-over or transitionary capacity (somewhat a temporary designation) in order to keep the local government running while the new government was busy preparing for the upcoming local elections under the new constitution...which probably explains why not many people are aware of who these OICs are. But essentially, they should still be listed in the list of local officials, and probably with a parenthetical note that they held office under appointment (that's the way we had the mayors listed in Meycauayan City; in fact, the OIC is recognized as an ex-mayor just like his predecessors). Otherwise, how can one explain the apparent gap in the leadership? --- Tito Pao (talk) 03:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think Ferdinand Marcos, Jr. was governor in 1995 he ran and lost for the senate that year right? --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 05:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Yeah, I find that odd, too. That would make him governor for 12 straight years, which isn't exactly allowed under the constitution. Someone else must have probably held the reins for at least three years somewhere along the way =P --- Tito Pao (talk) 05:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You are right. He was a representative for Ilocos Norte at that time. I corrected this. So now I am looking for the names of the governors in two gaps ;) Magalhães (talk) 06:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Marcos was a congressman in 1992 representing the 2nd congressional district. Rodolfo Fariñas ran and won the first congressional seat in 1998. He was the governor of the said province from 95-98. [1] --Exec8 (talk) 03:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

A girl needs help!

Dear Sir/Madam,

  Good Afternoon. I'm edwin , currently live in laguna.

I just want to ask you if you can help this poor girl to look for his lost father. I tried to seek the municipality but I failed to look for this person. For me this is an Adventure, but for this poor girl, this can change her life.

   "Mr Eduardo Beredo De Guzman" is the name given to me, who

live in Batangas, Plus see below

: and i searching some contacs from Philippines because my father was from Batangas City    he"s name"s Eduardo Beredo De Guzman
my father cousin is a doctor and have a clinic
my grantfather was a soldier or a policeman
and my grandfather name is Nicolas and my grandmother's name"s Maximina
and my father was born 13.07.1950
he was working in company SKANSKA
      The area with semicolons are the only information sent to me by this poor

girl who now live in poland. It seems that the child will do anything just to talk to his father even by phone.

       may the lord bless us all in helping them to have the soonest father & 
     daughter talk. 

God Bless, 
       edwin

any e-mail address of municipal hall will be a great help..

in batangas....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.212.106 (talk) 05:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, you may want to contact the police or the NBI. Wikipedia can't help you on this. --Howard the Duck 06:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
This is a free encyclopedia, not a lost and found website. Starczamora (talk) 13:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Kaloy-i tawn siya. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 01:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

While I sympathize with the girl (I had to locate my own grandfather), please keep in mind that this is not a lost person board or genealogy board as Staczamora pointed out. In any case, try the directory at Pinoy Search. I suggest making a posting at the Philippine Genealogy Forum as well. --Chris S. (talk) 07:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Help on Pinoy Idol

User:23prootie and I have been engaged in a discussion and it seems he can't even wait for a few minutes of replies. He keeps on reverting without consensus, and now I've run out of 3RR :o Can somebody have a third opinion on this or even just revert to the original version? --Howard the Duck 08:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm smelling edit wars. Don't worry, we know we're right. Starczamora (talk) 09:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

First lady of Bolinao

The incumbent mayor of this most famous marine town, which is not only bio-diverse, but the seafoods (sea urchins) are more abundant here than in Dagupan - is Mayor / Dr. Alfonso Celeste. I wonder why his bio has not yet been created. His wife, UST classmate Dra./ Dona Maria Nieves Estrella Dazo Bordador Celeste, of Calvario, Meycauayan, Bulacan, might be a good candidate for Congresswoman for 2010. Mystically though, when she came to Poblacion, Bolinao and built her / family mansion thereat, 2 mega fish kills fatalistically occured and almost depleted the Bangus Bolinao stocks. Now, if witches, wiccans or spirit questors / white witches would be consulted especially Tony Perez of Ateneo de Manila, Bolinao's fate might had been affected by her mystic presence, or the curse of the dwarves. PROOF: Susan Roces accused president Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo of stealing the presidency not once but twice. Dra. Vez' mystic presence scientifically cannot be proven to have caused the 2 fish kills, which twice happened, during her regal reign as Bolinao First Lady; but now, Mayor Al her husband is preparing a mega-suit in the coal spill. Just wondering... --Florentino floro (talk) 07:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not Imbestigador. --Howard the Duck 07:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
And for that matter, it isn't even Rated K. (I was supposed to say "Verum Est", but it looks like it doesn't have an article of its own =P ) --- Tito Pao (talk) 08:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Hm. Point of clarification... are we therefore suggesting that the person is not 'notable', or are we simply saying that a particular approach to writing the article is undesirable?Alternativity (talk) 10:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
What there's no Verum Est but we got Zaido?! Anyways, the mystical angle can be used as long as it is sourced with RS and do not violate WP:SYNTH. However it is more safe to assume a neutral bio rather than an unorthodox approach. --Lenticel (talk) 11:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, we don't have fanboys for Verum Est. Anyway, as stated, a neutral bio (if provided with verified info) should be created. Starczamora (talk) 13:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I was alluding less to the notability issue (we can discuss that anyway; if the mayor is notable, he is notable as long as we can prove it), but more on the approach to the article, as hereby proposed. (Just to refresh your memories, Verum Est? was an ABS-CBN show that delved on paranormal events (although one can argue about its bias, as it didn't present any counterclaims to refute the paranormal claims). Considering that Verum Est? was categorized under News and Current Events, that is ironic.). Something about the dwendes and having to include them in the proposed article doesn't sit well with me...I mean, in an encyclopedia article such as WP?? How can we verify that?
Another thing that I'm not comfortable with is the connection between the mayor's wife and Florentino floro; kailangan pa bang banggitin yung baranggay ng first lady as if to emphasize na, hoy, si ganito, taga-dito yan at dito pa sa baranggay na yan which, as one may later find out, is also the same barangay where Florentino floro comes from (I would have said WP:COI, but I must admit that this might be a gray area). I may be wrong, but I'm a little uncomfortable about it. Ina Raymundo's family may come from the same barangay where I live (her family actually lives in another block from where I go home), but I won't be the one to write that in the WP article. (Full disclosure: like Florentino floro, I also come from Meycauayan, Bulacan.) --- Tito Pao (talk) 18:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, when I was riding horses from Calvario, Meycauayan, City, Bulacan, towards Constantino subdivision, Marilao from 1975-1983, I regularly saw, say, weekly, Tatang who coaches famous Meycauayan councilor Lydia de Vega. But this First Lady of Bolinao who was born and domiciled at 228 Calvario, Meycauayan, Bulacan, temporarily transferred to her mansion in Poblacion, Bolinao. To those who are not lawyers or politicians here, the Celestes ruled not only Bolinao but the district of Pangasinan for decades - Mayor Jesus Celeste, brother of incumbent Mayor/Dr. Alfonso "Al" Celeste; incumbent Cong. Arthur F. Celeste, etc. And what mystifies us and the Bolinao people is that from the time she became its first lady, the town was cursed, or there was a mystic spell spilling all over the area from fish kill (twice) and then this latest catastrophe: coal spill which - WHY DID IT happen in Bolinao when it is destined to or for Sual?. Maybe SHE Should be venerated as a goddess of witches or maybe she is marked with 666 in the Revelation. Just sayin with verifiable links. I do not want to write a bio or article on her; I do not want to make dirty my mystic hands. Regards. By the way, I will discuss hereunder the shocking miracles of Fernando Suarez per GMA-Networks repeated many videos. --- --Florentino floro (talk) 07:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Assessment Department Update (Jan 2008)

Shown to the right is the graph of article tagging for the Assessment Department. There are still approximately 5,000 possibly Philippine-related articles that still need to be tagged. If you'd like to help out, please go to the Worklist section to see a list of still unassessed articles. Let's try to clean this backlog. Thanks! From your self-appointed Assessment Department Secretary, seav (talk) 05:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm actually working on a "per category" basis, starting with everything related to GMA Network. Starczamora (talk) 13:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
That's good. As long as we clear up the backlog. :-)

Hey guys, here's an inspiration. One long-term project that I envision using the assessment data is to create a Philippine encyclopedia. Imagine that we bring up all the Top-importance articles to at least GA-class, collect them and add all the lead sections (see WP:LEAD) of all the High-importance articles as well as the core articles. Then have all of these translated to Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilocano, Kapampangan, Winaray, Ilonggo, Pangasinan, and Bicolano (in the process, beefing up their respective Wikipedias). We can then distribute these as encyclopedia sets to all public elementary and high schools in the Philippines. Now isn't doing that an educational legacy you can be proud of? :-) --seav (talk) 23:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you see the video of Jimmy Wales when the donation drive opened? An editor's vision was like yours. In right time, articles here in Wiki will be printed out and be disseminated to public schools. A very nice one! --BritandBeyonce (talk) 07:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


A noble cause, but we have to take the first step first (a Philippine chapter). Perhaps a meeting is in order?--Lenticel (talk) 08:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
You mean, meetup? --BritandBeyonce (talk) 08:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps we can do a simultaneous Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao meetup, with Videoconferencing! (hehe) Or perhaps we could settle for another meetup at SM or the Podium.--Lenticel (talk) 22:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Seav's suggestion is a good one! Count me in! Starczamora (talk) 14:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Lenticel, for the purposes of tagging and bringing up the quality of the articles, a chapter is not needed. The chapter would be needed when we start collating the articles for distribution. But the first step for the chapter creation is talking again about the Articles of Incorporation and the By-laws over at Meta. --seav (talk) 14:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I was talking about the distribution of Wiki to public schools. As for the tagging, improving, and legalese, yes we can do those online.--Lenticel (talk) 22:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

This is a good development. I hope someone will do this in the Tagalog portal. This is a nicer gesture rather than finger pointing and witch hunting on users. --Exec8 (talk) 21:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Philippines#Economy

Is anyone here inclined to economics? It'll be great if someone can cut down the Economy section since it's very long already. --Howard the Duck 06:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the still ongoing problem of the History section's length is more important. --seav (talk) 02:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the history section is a lot easier to trim since everyone seems to know history... for the economy section, I dunno which paragraph/sentence to keep or remove. For the history section it seems you can't remove some sentences otherwise the "story" won't be completely understood. --Howard the Duck 03:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Public domain and seals again

Just a heads up - Save Us 229 has been going around various Philippine geography-related articles and posting notices about images therein not having fair use rationales. Hopefully some of you guys could take care of this. I swear, that stupid public domain law... --Chris S. (talk) 03:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I think Scorpion prinz has some information regarding the nature of LGUs seals in that they are only used by the LGUs for identification purposes. I'm not yet sure how that will fit with regards to third-party users, but I think that any use, and simply for identification, is fair use. --seav (talk) 14:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone create a bot that will paste the FU rationales on every RP seal? If we do it by hand it'll be cumbersome but we still have to abide with the rules. --Howard the Duck 15:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh i saw my name, anyway, in relation to LGU seals i quote the annotation to Section 22b (Corporate powers of local government units) of the Local Government Code of 1991, Power to have and use of corporate seal. – Use of corporate seals and change thereof requires registration with the Department of Interior and Local Government¹. Registration of the seals with the Department of Trade and Industry and the Intellectual Property Office IS NOT required because municipal corporations do not fall within the scope of the term "business" or "enterprise"². The chief purpose of a government seal has been to identify and authenticate documents.³
¹ Republic Act No. 7160, Sec. 22b (1991)
² Act No. 3883, Sec. 1 (1931), Republic Act No, 8293, Section 121.1 (1997)
³ 2 McQuillin, The Law of Municipal Corporations, § 6.01 (3rd ed.)
Reference: Joseph Emmanuel L. Angeles, Restatement on the Law on Local Governments (Quezon City: Rex Printing Co. 2005), 65 ... HAPPY NEW YEAR! --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 13:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Guys somebody must make fair use rationales ASAP. The tagged images will be deleted soon. Let's patch up the tagged images first then we could discuss what to do en masse rational tagging. Should the user continue in tagging new images, maybe we could then invite him here--Lenticel (talk) 08:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

That's what I'm saying with user:Joseph Solis in Australia. We had an old discussion relevant on this that the {{PhilippinesGov with fair use}} cannot suffice fair use. Now, User:Save Us 229 is getting near to kill all those images. --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs) 08:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
These LGU seals will have the same rationales, just change the article link. --Howard the Duck 11:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Please note, the Law on Municipal Corporations is part of American jurisprudence, it will give us enough rationale on using government seals. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 12:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
If it is doable, can someone put the fair use tags already as the Phil. gov template isn't enough and time is running out fast. If you don't want to do it yourself then simply tell me what to do and what images are affected I'll patch it up myself.--Lenticel (talk) 00:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I added a fair-use rationale in Image:Ph_seal_biliran.png. Please use this as a "template" (but please don't make an actual Template, since it's not allowed for fair-use rationales). Just copy and paste into the seal images and replace the specific parts. I don't have a list of the seals tagged by Save Us 229 but looking through his contributions would suffice. Alternatively, just go through all the provinces since these are the ones that really have the useful seals. --seav (talk) 02:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your template, seav. I spent like 2 hours doing this to almost all the provinces and certain cities (the ones in the tables with a seal), just so we could avoid future headaches. Now, I say almost because some provinces like Aurora and La Union were transferred to Wikimedia since they were mistakenly put as "free." Also, some were high resolution and will need to be resized. I'll leave someone else to do those.
I also did some municipalities, particularly for Camarines Sur. A lot of the seals were deleted and I simply reinstated them and put fair use rationales in them. Other municipalities may need their seals to be undeleted or fair use rationales added. Um, also I reverted Save Us 229's edit in Provinces of the Philippines and so that will need to be added to the fair use rationales I just did. argh!
While I was doing, I was thinking... Why isn't the Philippine flag subject to these rules? Or did I just open another can of worms..? hmm. ;-P --Chris S. (talk) 04:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems national symbols aren't under the prohibition. --Howard the Duck 04:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems that Chris has fixed the images. Since the emergency is out of the way, I think we should address Category:Works of the Philippines government. I think we can patch other fair use problems there via brute force. However, we could also run a script that would search for Philippine-related copyrighted images that has no fair use rationale so that we could fix/speedy del when appropriate just like the unassessed article lists.--Lenticel (talk) 12:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
UPDATE: it seems that logos of gov't agencies are also targeted.--Lenticel (talk) 02:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Image:Sandiganbayan_Seal.gif, Image:RP Court of Appeals.jpg, Image:RP ATI.gif and Image:RP CTA.jpg needs a fair use rationale ASAP. A little help from here please! -- Kevin Ray (talk) 05:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I fixed fair-use on Image:RP Court of Appeals.jpg. My fair-use rationale is not that fancy but I think it would hold off the deletion. Perhaps you can do the same on the other seals. Improvements are more than welcome--Lenticel (talk) 07:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Y Done --bluemask (talk) 08:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

+1

As I was googling for the etymology of the Tagalog word elisi (propeller), lo and behold, an article on wikipedia! — Sandtiger 02:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Policy on filmographies of Filipino actors

I've been working on revisions to the entries of a few older Filipino actors such as Panchito, and noticed that their filmographies tend to be quite long, probably because the Filipino film industry tended to be quite prolific from the 1930s up until the 1980s. Also, these filmographies tend to be copied from IMDB, which is not a terribly reliable source when it comes to Filipino films. Are there governing policies concerning the length of these filmographies (e.g., restricting the list to the most prominent films)? I couldn't find advice either at WP:Philippines-MOS or at WP:MOSFILM. Thanks in advance! Anyo Niminus (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

You can actually keep the filmography in the main article, as long as you use smaller fonts for better organization. Check Jack Nicholson and George Clooney. Starczamora (talk) 20:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll probably also consider as an alternative using multiple columns, as was done in Aga Mulach. Anyo Niminus (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I can't believe the crowd of Suarez

These days, GMA-7, per stunning videos, dramatized the shocking miracles and millions of crowds that mobbed Fernando Suarez. Even in Jesus's times, Fr. Corsie Legaspi's, and upcomming Fr. Joey Faller of Lucban, Quezon, we never witnessed this mobbing and sights of millions to witness his healing. Just wanna share with you these: ONLY IN DA PHILIPPINES - (note that Cardinal Gaudencio Rosales led his Montemaria mega-shrine opening with no less than my town Meycauayan parish priest with 5,000 Meycuayanos having pilgrimage there to gather 5,000 healing stones. This must be Filipino Wiki's best. --- --Florentino floro (talk) 07:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

So what is this section for?! Eh?! --Howard the Duck 14:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
If the article you created is THE best in Wikipedia, then have it nominated for Feature Article. 58.71.27.88 (talk) 20:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I was very skeptic when I first created the article. I even became more skeptic when after I made it, an Ottawa user or admin edited it, and informed me that that user never heard of Suarez in Canada where he claimed in tabloids, that he resurrected an 8 hour clinically dead Canadian. But when my maid told me about the Bandila ABS-CBN videos and news about how Suarez made the lame and stroke patients walk and the blind etc. I opened gma news video, and I was shocked. So, I just wanted to share Suarez' gifts and miracles including $ 220 million Montemaria to the world and filipinos. As a new or just one year user here, I cannot claim any right to have written the best articles here. In fact my articles are just on law and bios of notable jurists, inter alia. But Fernando Suarez is now making WORLD HISTORY, since not even in the time of Jesus, or in the times of great tele-evangelists even now worldwide, had we or I seen the mobbing by millions of a healer. This is just my point, I do not want to be misinterpreted to claim that my edits or articles are the best. In fact, I learn little by little and I want to learn more, since, I have no computer background just internet cafe coaching or teaching by desk officers. Regards. Peace of Christ. -- --Florentino floro (talk) 05:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Why is this even here? WTF? --Howard the Duck 11:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
it's a shame that ABS-CBN wasn't around to carry video's of Jesus harlock_jds (talk) 14:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Claudio Teehankee, Jr.

A question has been raised as to the notability of this individual, and the article is currently under consideration for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claudio Teehankee, Jr. I bring this to your attention in case anyone here has interest in the deletion discussion and can assist in determining whether or not the article is appropriate with notability guidelines. Thank you. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes related to the 2010 Philippine elections

I have started the userboxes for the 2010 Philippine Presidential Elections. I was doing some of them (Bayani Fernando, Mar Roxas & Manny Villar) when Kevin Ray Chua suggested that I should discuss the concerns related to the userboxes here or my edits are considered worthless. The page that contains my userboxes for the elections is here. Please feel free to comment either here or on my talk page. (Its title in my signature is "TaLKBaCK".) iaNLOPEZ1115 TaLKBaCK Vandalize it UBX 09:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I suggest that you do not create the userboxes. I saw a lot of drama in WP:MFD regarding these stuff. Perhaps the Pinoy wikipedians will tolerate them but I don't know about the community as a whole.--Lenticel (talk) 12:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Just create political party-related infoboxes (such as "This user is a member of the PGMA fan club" instead of the "This user supports and urges you to vote for _____ since s/he's great, intelligent, hardworking .... (insert campaign paraphernalia here)" --Howard the Duck 04:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep discussing. I need more opinions regarding this issue (whether to continue or kill. iaNLOPEZ1115 TaLKBaCK Vandalize it UBX 03:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Just kill it. I don't see Obama userboxes anywhere. --Howard the Duck 03:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Howard, my proposed userboxes are for the upcoming 2010 Philippine elections. NOT for the Presidential elections in America (that will absolutely happen in November). Although that event is 2 years away, we need to prepare for it. Those userboxes are appropriate since I have gotten my inspiration from the userboxes showing its support for a certain US Presidential candidate. I don't want to get into a Wikipedia editing war, Philippine-style. iaNLOPEZ1115 TaLKBaCK Vandalize it UBX 03:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC) (Postscript: I put up the Sun part of the Philippine flag in some of my userboxes because I can't find any free images of them on the net [And if i found some of them, they would probably delete it due to Fair Use and copyright issues.)
After snooping around. there are userboxes about the 2008 US election, so I guess local 2010 elections will be fine. I don't think it's that important, anyway. The 2010 election articles are important, but userboxes aren't. --Howard the Duck 03:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Tagalog Wikipedia article was deleted?! What?!

03:27, 29 January 2008 User:Yonatan deleted "Tagalog Wikipedia" ‎Wikipedia:CSD#A7: Article about a web site that does not assert significance. Starczamora (talk) 05:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

  • UPDATE: Yonatan restored the page with the following message.

I have restored it per your request (?) on my talk page. This has nothing to do with a systemic bias. It has to do with the fact that there's no mention of this Wikipedia in any third party sources, and that it doesn't seem notable. I was not aware it was monitored under the WP:TAMBAY WikiProject, but if its notability isn't established I will nominate it for deletion. Yonatan talk 05:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Then that would have deleted ALL article about different versions of Wikipedia, would it? Starczamora (talk) 05:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Not really, I knew the German Wiki was supported by the government. He could've just went through the prod->AFD process instead of the CSD route, though. --Howard the Duck 05:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a problem, though. Most Filipino Wikipedians write in the English Wikipedia and most local media refer to English Wikipedia as well when sourcing Philippine-related articles. Starczamora (talk) 05:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
If you can find at least 2 (multiple means >1) citations then it can be saved. --Howard the Duck 05:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
FYI, the article in Tagalog Wikipedia itself is a candidate for deletion, although, not speedy. See tl:Wikipedia:Mga_artikulong_buburahin/Tagalog_na_Wikipedia. --Jojit (talk) 07:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree with the CSD move but I agree that the article itself doesn't deserve to exist (yet). I don't think that there are any reliable sources for this article. It would be better if the article were merged into Wikipedia or List of encyclopedias by language or a similar page. --seav (talk) 09:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps we should Afd the thing so as to have consensus on how to deal with these articles. i think we still need to follow WP:RS and WP:N even if it is close to us.--Lenticel (talk) 12:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Txt from Wikiboy (Wpinas)

Anabels restaurant, Tomas morato 2mrw at 6 30 pm for the wikifilipino critic preview. Hope you guys can come.

--Nino Gonzales (talk) 14:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hindi ako makakarating :(. Kwento mo na lang ang piangusapan ha?--Lenticel (talk) 00:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I also got this text, but not from Wikiboy. They are planning to launch WikiFilipino and they have invited language experts, KWF, UP people, and Sangfil. They will be showing Wikifilipino and want to ask input about Filipino language mechanics. I want to come but schedule does not permit. It would be really, really nice if at least one of us here can attend, especially one of the readers or participants of the recent debate. --seav (talk) 02:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Malayo and tinitirhan ko; dito sa Naval, Biliran. Just post the discussions here in TAMBAY. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 05:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
WikiFilipino already exists: http://fil.wikipilipinas.org/index.php?title=Unang_Pahina. Wikipedians who wanted to have a Filipino encyclopedia will be happy about this development, although, serious writers might not like it because of some non-notable articles such as this. --Jojit (talk) 07:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey, that article can be speedily deleted... --Howard the Duck 07:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Denied speedy request, not Wikipedia :)--Lenticel (talk) 07:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Burahin yan noh. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 12:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 :O --Howard the Duck 07:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Hehehe. It's attitude like this that makes people think Wikipedians are elitist. ;) --seav (talk) 08:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd go if I were not on a field trip. --Sky Harbor 11:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't able to attend too. If there was no Wikipedian present there (I hope Nino was there), probably we can set our own meeting with KWF guys on our next meet-up. --Jojit (talk) 05:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think any one of us was able to attend. We can invite KWF on one of our meet-ups, not necessarily the next one. --seav (talk) 05:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

(Indent reset) I do not like the fact though that WikiFilipino and Wikipedia have different "interface registers" (translations). That would need to be resolved. --Sky Harbor 13:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Marian Rivera

Can an admin clear the backlog (see Talk:Marian Rivera for edits on protected pages? Thanks. --Howard the Duck 04:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Map requests

May I request the following maps for the sake of Philippine transportation articles:

Likewise, the map of the Philippine National Railways network should be updated to reflect other branch lines and the addition of other major cities serviced or formerly serviced by it, such as Lucena City, Malolos City, San Fernando City in Pampanga and Angeles City.

Hopefully someone can help! --Sky Harbor 05:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I could make a map for the Strong Republic Transit System.. but you you have any sources I could use for the future/proposed lines (other than the existing Yellow, Blue, and Purple)? TheCoffee (talk) 14:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
There's maps of all three existing MRT/LRT lines at the article on SRTS stations, and there's a map of MRT-7 at the Universal MRT website. Take note that the line has no official color yet (I can't say it's the Red Line since there is no conclusive proof that it is taking the cudgels from the defunct MRT-4). The Orange (PNR Southrail from Tutuban to Buli) and Green (PNR Northrail from Tutuban to Caloocan) Lines should also be included. --Sky Harbor 09:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Consensus on "Actor" vs. "Actress"

While working over some entries on our local film stars, I've faced choices on whether to use "actor" or "actress" with respect to our female film performers. I strongly prefer "actor", which its own wikipedia entry describes as "gender-neutral", as compared to "actress", which is specifically described as "non-neutral language" per WP:GNL. However, WP:MOS on gender-neutral language is couched only in advisory terms ("Please consider gender-neutral language where it can be done without loss of neatness and precision."), so there seems to be room in WP for using "actress". Many prominent Western stars are described as "actress" (Julie Andrews, Samantha Morton, Dakota Fanning, Marie Dressler), but a few are identified as "actors" (Angelina Jolie, Reese Witherspoon).

There are ways to avoid the debate, such as using "film comedian" in the case of comics such as Dely Atay-Atayan, but there are no equivalent substitute terms in the case of dramatic actors. While I personally prefer "actor", and can justify the choice through WP:GNL and WP:MOS, I'd like to get some consensus first before proceeding full-speed, especially since in the Philippines, it doesn't appear very common to use "actor" in lieu of "actress". If there is a stronger consensus towards using "actress", then I'd be perfectly happy to use that. Thanks! Anyo Niminus (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

it's a silly debate and not worth edit warring over... make a change to actor and explain your reasons why... if the consensus of the page is to change it back then so be it. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to go "full-speed" and make the change everywhere 14:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harlock jds (talk • contribs)
just use actress for women and actor for men. --Howard the Duck 03:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC) (Fixed by iaNLOPEZ1115 TaLKBaCK Vandalize it UBX 05:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC))
I'll use actor and actress, less potential controversy that way, the anti-PC crowd can get snippy on that issue. Anyo Niminus (talk) 17:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

A Tagalog Uncyclopedia?

Do you think it's time we create a Tagalog Uncyclopedia, with a working title Pekepedia? Starczamora (talk) 05:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Howard mentioned that a while ago. Perhaps you could talk to him about that. Besides tl.wikipedia is too small to be subjected to parody :)--Lenticel (talk) 05:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm really interested in this. Pekepedia doesn't really have to parody the Tagalog Wikipedia, though. --Howard the Duck 12:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
How about you try your skills at the "en" Uncyclopedia before trying to build a tl version. I believe that you need skills in graphics as the best jokes are usually best conveyed with photoshop altered pictures. I know that American and British humor are very different from Tagalog but I think its better to learn the ropes there.--Lenticel (talk) 12:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I dunno since the subject of the jokes will be Filipinos so I don't think it'll be that funny in a broader audience (think of Piolo Pascual's gayness, other nationalities won't be able to understand/get it). --Howard the Duck 13:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
It's in Tagalog anyway, as if they'll understand it. I mean, Indonesia already has Tolololpedia. Starczamora (talk) 13:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC) I've checked Uncyclopedia English and it's difficult to create a Philippine-related article because the admin think it's not funny, especially about the Philippines itself (which was already deleted). But I swear, it WAS funny (Boom Tarat Tarat as a national anthem? Come on!) Starczamora (talk) 13:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Not to mention Filipinos would readily understand Tagalog jokes than English (you'd have to be really immersed in Western culture to understand the jokes). --Howard the Duck 13:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
So how about it, should we propose for an Uncyclopedia that actually caters to our unique brand of humor? Starczamora (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Go ahead. --Howard the Duck 13:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the succeeding discussion needs attention. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 00:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No offense. The idea is great and everything BUT don't you all think THE MORE serious TL:Wikipedia deserves "more" attention/improvement/work out before we come up with this one? †Bloodpack† 04:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

As I've said before, my Tagalog isn't encyclopedia-material... although it is perhaps uncyclopedia-material. And tl.wiki is practically useless since the education system promotes English as the language of education. That's why other Philippine languages (esp. Cebuano) have better article counts is that because they use their own language in education. --Howard the Duck 04:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I understand. But what I'm just saying is having to take time to create "uncyclopedia-material" isn't really productive to The Tambayan, whether TL:WIKI or EN:WIKI, not that I'm a party pooper. Besides, baka tayo tayo lang makaintindi nung mga jokes nating gagawin and these jokes "to be" will not be globally understood..., just saying, but I'm ok with it †Bloodpack† 05:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I dunno, in the first place, the Tagalog Uncyclopedia will be for Tagalog speakers, and there aren't that many in the world... --Howard the Duck 06:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Have you seen GMA's article there? No wonder she held another term.--Lenticel (talk) 08:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I love Cory's quote, hahaha... Anyway, the best objective I see in Tagalog Wikipedia is preserving and spreading the Tagalog language amidst the "Filipino invasion", not necessarily as a education tool. Meanwhile, the Philippine-related articles in Uncyclopedia are often accused of being "overtly Filipino" (which I understand because Americans won't get what's funny in our country anyway). Starczamora (talk) 14:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm a user on uncyclopedia by the way. (the link is here.) I'm trying to ask some (or one) of the sysops there to give the copy of the last edit about regarding the Philippines (for recovery and documentation purposes, of course. Then I'll ask a Pinoy sysop in Wikipedia to semi-protect the copy of that expired article. Hope it works. -iaNLOPEZ1115 TaLKBaCK Vandalize it UBX 09:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC) (Postscript: My userpage has some english profanities.)

(resetting indent) It seems that there are a few Filipinos in Uncyclopedia. Perhaps you could create a Bizarro Tambayan (o.0) there.--Lenticel (talk) 10:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Panagbenga Festival

Now its February, lets help each other and develop an article about the Panagbenga Festival, a feast in Baguio City that features the flower float parade. --Exec8 (talk) 05:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. Kindly improve. A bit busy for now. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Tangential: should the word "festival" be capitalized? See Category:Festivals in the Philippines. --seav (talk) 09:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistent. Some articles use capital. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd also recommend the use of the capital "F" for "Festival." --Howard the Duck 11:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
anybody got pics? I nominated the article on DYK. Maybe it would be better with pictures.--Lenticel (talk) 10:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Will pictures of flowers from Baguio do? Anyo Niminus (talk) 17:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Well it will be better than nothing I guess.--Lenticel (talk) 21:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
released to public domain some pics of Baguio flowers I took last summer. Feel free to select any pictures for the article from here. Anyo Niminus (talk) 03:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
added one of them.--Lenticel (talk) 22:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Numismatics naming convention is under discussion

Remember the problem we had with Philippine peso vs. Philippine piso last year? Anyway, there is a proposal to change the naming convention to something more in line with Use English and Use Common Name. Plus, there are several move requests like Brunei ringgit to Brunei dollar (discussion) and Dutch gulden to Dutch guilder (discussion). Comments, points of argument, and opinions are appreciated on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Style. --seav (talk) 02:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Profiting from Wikipedia

Kuya Seav, I've been keeping this in my mind for months and now I want to ask and be answered. Hopefully, Wiki will be crowded with featured articles (well source and professionaly written). Could Wiki be easily exploited in terms of printing out this stuffs and make profit out of it? I mean, we have articles here helpful for students and might one day a greedy publisher will publish this all. Is that possible? --BritandBeyonce (talk) 06:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's possible and legal. And there's nothing wrong with that. The problem of the would be profiteer are two: 1) some other person can undercut the would-be profiteer with a much cheaper version and this results in competition that nobody can really profit from just a wholesale no-value-add product. (Now if the person added study guides, and other value-added stuff, then that's acceptable.) 2) He has to release his product under GFDL too and that gives the buyers immense benefit since they can sell copies of it themselves. So overall, there's no problem of exploitation. --seav (talk) 02:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
So, there's a great chance no one would really exploit the "effort" of the editors? Im not acting selfish here but just very concern with the effort. By the way, what about the multilple licenses? Like yours? Sorry to ask these stuffs in the project talk page. I know everybody could benifit out of this talk.--BritandBeyonce (talk) 12:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

This may be useful

{{fancruft}}

:) ViperSnake151 02:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I think many Tambays working on showbiz-related articles will find this very useful.--Lenticel (talk) 03:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Luzon Empire discussion

Someone created an absurdity called the Luzon Empire. Can you please delete it? Sorry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.76.252.20 (talk) 10:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm amused with the article... it has "references" though so I dunno how it will fare in AFD... --Howard the Duck 12:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
It's also amusing to note that the article was written by what seems to be a Japanese Chinese history buff. And yeah, since it has a lot of sources, it seems notable and therefore undeletable. Starczamora (talk) 13:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Maybe the article can be balanced or at least have its facts counter-checked using Philippine history texts (Agoncillo, O.D. Corpuz, etc). Anyo Niminus (talk) 14:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC) -- oh joy, it does cite Philippine history texts (Scott, etc.) Anyo Niminus (talk) 14:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Folks, I may not be a true expert on this field yet, but I know enough to say at least a good number of the references used by the article are sound. It's the interpretation that's messed up. :-S Alternativity (talk) 18:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Some notes on the current conundrum by Alternativity (talk) 18:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC):

  • First, this Lusong referred to in the article did in fact, exist, and I have been looking for some time now for an article that would put all these references together. I did not write that article myself for two reasons: a) I don't have access to the foreign references, only the Filipino ones and b) I felt that the references were so disconnected from one another that any article about Lusong would have been Original Research. But I'm saying I don't think the existence of the article is absurd at all.
  • Second, what I do find absurd is the characterization of Lusong as a breakaway/exiled Chinese empire. I'm not about to dismiss the theory, but that's the point: it's a theory. Only one of several possible interpretations. Saying outright that Lusong=Lesser Song Dynasty is about as frivolous as suggesting that the kingdom of Shamballa was actually located in what is now Zambales. The data might suggest it, if you look hard enough for an interpretation that favors yours, but it certainly doesn't support it.
  • The words "empire" and "kingdom" are very tricky here, as their application to the actual forms of government that existed in the locality at the time would be imprecise, and carry numerous connotations. I recommend that the data here be moved to a new article which uses neither term. Perhaps simply "Lusong" as Bolkiah called it in 1500 (as distinguished from Luzon)?
  • What stops me from creating an article simply called "Lusong" is I'm not sure I shouldn't be calling it Tondo, Tundo, or Tundun, which is apparently what the Laguna Copperplate Inscription (LCI) calls it.
  • Come to think of it, I'm not even sure there are enough data sources to suggest that Bolkiah's Lusong of 1500 AD and the LCI's Tundun of 900 AD are the same entity.
  • Another thing that stops me is that I cannot read Chinese.
  • The fact is, no local record of this kingdom other than the LCI exists, and the LCI is a very limited source. Sources exist, but they are either Chinese, Arabian,or from Brunei and thus do not show us how the people interpreted their own system of government.
  • In other words, sigh. I know enough to know someting's wrong with this article, and I know enough to know that it can't simply be dismissed. But I don't feel I know enough to be able to fix it.
  • Help? Anyone else here researching this era? (Signature above)
If some books I have read are correct, there was in fact an empire in Central Luzon. The very reason Manila became a Muslim kingdom was Brunei established it as an outpost to check on the growth of that empire in Central Luzon which had begun dominating trade in the region, specially as it began to monopolize trade with China. I think there's a little consistency with what I read from that Luzon Empire. Though it is hardly verifiable since pre-Hispanic Philippines had very little or no written account of their history. It may also be a wild idea, but if anyone had ever noticed a lot of people from the Pampanga-Tarlac are are fair skinned and has almond-eyes more than any ethnic group in the Philippines. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 19:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I've requested the help of WP:CHINA here, perhaps they can help us with this article.--Lenticel (talk) 22:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Could this be the missing kingdom of Princess Urduja? Hehehe. Doesn't the National Historical Institute have any data on this nebulous organized community in Luzon pre-1500s? --seav (talk) 01:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I think that Princess Urudja's Kingdom was in Pangasinan. Also, Pre-Hispanic Luzon is Muslim. While there are muslims in China, any breakaway empire created by Chinese in the Phillpine Islands would contain a large majority of Confucians especially in the government. Also, why would Chinese Emperors adopt the title of Rajah? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.76.251.35 (talk) 10:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Prehispanic Philippines Articles Need Work

What an incredible mess! Luzon Empire isn't the only problem. Changes have also been made to Tondo, and there are significant inconsistencies between Lakandula and Rajah Lakandula (I think the Lakandula article is absurd conjecture). I don't know where to start doing repair work to bring these articles into line with mainstream scholarship. Working on it, though. But I'm gonna need help. Any other volunteers? Alternativity (talk) 11:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I propose that the solution to the present problem is the creation of a Ancient Tondo article, followed by a merge. I say this since the term Luzon Empire is not supported by mainstream scholarship at all, while the term Lusong seems to be supported by only one reference (Bolkiah's attack in 1500). I object to the usage of the term Kingdom (Kingdom of Tondo or Kingdom of Lusong) as it has western connotations that do not actually apply. This article would be separate from Tondo, Manila because it refers to the independent state that existed before the spanish came and placed Tondo under the administration of the rulers of Manila (Inramuros). That article would be not organized in the usual chronology pattern of historical articles, but as a list of what we do know about ancient Tondo (LCI 900ad, Bolkiah 1500ad, and Lakandula 1500s), followed by a list of theories (Lesser Song Empire, "Lakandula" as a title) accompanied by discussions of their acceptance by mainstream scholarship. I am announcing my intentions here because I am still somewhat bothered by the naming conventions, and part of me wonders whether my argument of an Ancient Tondo article separate from Tondo, Manila are valid. However, it has been suggested that we should be bold, so here I go. Because the Luzon Empire article is simply not orthodox.Alternativity (talk) 11:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ancient Tondo

OKAY. Here goes. I've come up with a more orthodox article, Ancient Tondo. It still needs work, but I think it covers the same territory as Luzon Empire, with the conjecture moved to a separate section (which I have not yet finished). May I suggest a partial merge, with Luzon Empire being reduced to a discussion of the theory that the Lesser Song Dynasty later became the Tondo of Lakandula? Thoughts, anyone? Alternativity (talk) 15:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hm I guess a partial merge is alright. I'll invite the original author here for discussion.--Lenticel (talk) 22:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

massive list deletions (see WP:PINOY)

Hmm... This seems to be generating a lot of drama in the Afd's. Perhaps more tambays should look into this. I still AGF but should this continue perhaps we should go through RFC. I'll invite the nom in question here.--Lenticel (talk) 00:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

It's obviously an example of systemic bias, and when we threaten them by nominating one of "their own" articles for deletion, we get accused for not assuming good faith. I mean, following their argument, it completely reflects the American counterpart (and therefore subject to deletion--at least in their view--as well). Starczamora (talk) 02:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually I want those lists deleted.... just that we should delete everything in its class. --Howard the Duck 02:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm ambivalent about these actually. There are already categories existing so the most value remaining is in the redlinks. We can collect them and place them in project space maybe as an expanded and categorized requested articles? --seav (talk) 03:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Rudy Fernandez

Can an admin move the article to Rudy Fernandez (triathlete)? I'm planning to write a stub about the actor. --Howard the Duck 04:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Rudy Fernandez the actor is more notable than the triathlete. Or perhaps, to avoid warring against the PBB fanboys, create a disambiguation page instead. Starczamora (talk) 06:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I think we should make the Rudy Fernandez article a disambig page, since there is also a Spanish basketball player named Rudy Fernandez. Both the actor and basketball player are notable on their respective countries. --Jojit (talk) 06:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Nah, WP:NC says the most popular subject gets the article title, unless there are like 5 people with the same name. The hoops player has an accented name (the Spanish "correct" spelling) while the 2 Pinoys don't have accents. The dab note will still be displayed prominently at the top, though. --Howard the Duck 06:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
There's also a Rudy Fernandez who happens to be one of the most prominent practitioners of Science communication in the Philippines, but it's such a specialist field that I'm not sure Rudy Fernandez (Journalist) qualifies as notable.
If there are more Rudy Fernanedezes there perhaps a Rudy Fernandez (disambiguation) maybe created but Rudy Fernandez would still be about the actor. --Howard the Duck 10:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Unrelated: Can an admin also move 1st Commonwealth Congress to 1st Congress of the Commonwealth of the Philippines? --Howard the Duck 07:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Both Y Done--Hu12 (talk) 18:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Howard, I already started the article. Sorry Lenticel, mas shobis ako ngayon kaysa tibak. ;) --Jojit (talk) 09:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Awww... (hehe)--Lenticel (talk) 10:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks to both of you. --Howard the Duck 09:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:NC81Studio23.jpg

Can an admin restore this? It was deleted this month... --Howard the Duck 04:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Filipino Word of the Year 2007

"Miskol" (missed call) edged out "roro" (inter-island ferries) and "friendster" as the Filipino Word of 2007. I never knew we had such a thing. Read the article here. Starczamora (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

see Missed call--Lenticel (talk) 05:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Barangay notability

Earlier today I either prodded or asked all barangay articles for CSDs and all of them were either removed or denied. Now I'm planning to go by the ordinary AFD route for all of these barangays later. Do we have a unified stand on the standing of these barangays? I think other non-Pinoys really don't understand the concept of barangays so selling deletion to them would rather be hard. --Howard the Duck 12:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you should cite my past Baranggay Afd noms as precedent (see my contribs . I think non-Filipinos are simply too cautious with foreign related deletions so as not to be accused as biased or even racist.--Lenticel (talk) 00:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The mass PROD was kinda too extreme. The slower AfD route would've been better. Also, maybe we can be bold and merge the verifiable info ourselves into the municipality/city articles. --seav (talk) 02:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... a quiet merge seems to be better than more Afd inclusionist drama. But remember most Brgy. Afd's closed as delete--Lenticel (talk) 02:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

These barangay articles do not really meet CSD criteria. Redirecting them to the municipality articles is probably the quickest route. --Polaron | Talk 03:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with redirecting them to the Municipality articles#Barangays. --Chris S. (talk) 04:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I still argue that certain barangays are inherently notable in themselves (that's intentional redundancy of "inherent" for emphasis. hehe) and that "being a barangay" by itself does not necessarily constitute an argument for non-notability. My cases in point being Damortis, Santo Tomas, La Union whose name is synonymous with Daing and with the PNR Damortis station that was once the gateway to Baguio, and is certainly more notable than the municipality of Santo Tomas, La Union; and Barangay Ayala Alabang, which of course needs no explanation why for being noteworthy. In both cases, the barangay is certainly more notable than, say, a mall. And we allow articles for malls, don't we? (On the other hand, both are redlinks...)Alternativity (talk) 03:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that some barangays are notable in themselves, but 99.9% of them don't deserve their own articles and their info should be added to their respective municipality/city articles. As for Damortis, I think the old place is notable, not the current barangay that inherited its name and is located in the same place. As for Ayala Alabang, I think the Ayala Alabang Village is more notable than the barangay (they are almost coterminous, with the barangay also including the Madrigal Business Park and Alabang Town Center). But I think a note about Ayala Alabang Village, Alabang Hills Village, etc. should be included in Muntinlupa City instead. --seav (talk) 04:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I also have a problem with these "rich" barangays like Forbes Park, Dasma, etc. It would seem that they're notable, but not as barangays. --Howard the Duck 04:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I have created the sections below for future reference. Maybe we should create a subpage for the Tambayan to be a repository of discussions that crop up periodically, like barangays. Something like Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Frequent discussions/Articles on barangays? --seav (talk) 06:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

We should have policy on notability of these barangays. --Howard the Duck 06:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Mass AfDs of these barangays was a bad move... it attracts too much attention. --seav (talk) 09:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't have been resorted to AFD if the prod notices weren't removed several hours after I posted them. Nevertheless, it is important to note that those who voted for keep know nothing about barangays and those who voted delete/merge know what barangays are. --Howard the Duck 09:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, AFDs would attract people who believe all geography article need to be kept as long as they are shown to actually exist. Why not simply redirect existing barangay articles to the relevant section in the municipality article they belong to? If the article creator complains, then simply point out the results of the previous discussions on this issue. Another possibility is to make "List of barangays in X" articles that could include a short blurb and statistics about each barangay. The barangay articles can be redirected to the lists. In fact, it might be worth redirecting all barangays to such lists. The non-existence of articles is maybe one reason why many new articles keep popping up. The existence of a redirect might discourage new barangay articles from being created. --Polaron | Talk 16:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

List of barangay AfD discussions

This is a list of barangay articles and their AfD statuses. This list is provided as a reference for future debates.

Barangay Location AfD status
Barangay Tisa Cebu City moved to Barangays in Cebu City
Pulong Buhangin Santa Maria, Bulacan no consensus
ongoing
various and a nav template Barugo, Leyte created Barangays of Barugo, Leyte, see also TfD discussion
Pandayan Meycauayan City, Bulacan delete
Hilabago Dagami, Leyte merge to Dagami, Leyte
Tumalip Licuan-Baay, Abra delete
Cabaroan Bacnotan, La Union merge to Bacnotan, La Union
Pugalo Alcoy, Cebu ongoing
Tetuan Zamboanga City ongoing
Tumaga Zamboanga City ongoing
Sapangbato Angeles City no concensus
Santo Angel (Ilog) San Pablo City redirect and merge
Salangbato Famy, Laguna keep

Tambayan discussions about barangay notability

This section contains links to archived Tambayan discussions about barangays having articles.

Several of the discussions ended today and most were no consensus or merge. Actually, the closing admin recommended "Merge" but I'll my hands off first lest I be accused of a User:TTN clone. --Howard the Duck 16:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Tondo, Manila

I must ask the community for help undoing the entries of User:Ushiwaka pertaining to the Luzon Empirein the Tondo, Manila article, beginning with [[2]]. It has pretty much been established that the sources cited do not warrant the inclusion of theories put forward regarding Tundo being the capital of the Luzon Empire. I would prefer an Undo because I dont want to risk losing the old content of the article, and any data from intermediate edits that have since been done. Any advice on what I can do in this case? I didn't manage to catch the problem until much too late. So far I've only undone changes immediately after. I've never had to go back so far into an article's history before. -- Alternativity (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to file a case in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography. Add {{RFChist | section=section title !! reason=neutral statement !! time=~~~~~}} at the atart of the article/s in question. I think we should go to this level as we already talked with the user they didn't respond. I'll leave Alternativity to create the reasons.--Lenticel (talk) 23:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

A blanket semi-protect on all Philippine showbiz articles?

A lot of anon IP edits have been done in various Philippine showbiz-related articles, ending up much like a fansite with lots of senseless and unverified information (i.e. a recent edit on Sarah Geronimo citing her as "#2 in the Philippines' Most Beautiful"). Is it possible that we put semi-protection on all such articles so we could monitor the fanboy activities? Starczamora (talk) 04:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

You can try at WP:RFPP, mostly it's a case-by-case basis, unless on some unique events (example: Cristy Fermin orders the vandalism of all GMA Network talents' articles, that's the time to do blanket semi-protect) --Howard the Duck 04:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
i think the issue is that their are not a lot of editors who enforce WP standards on the Filipino articles like their are for articles about showbiz in other nations. Look at some of the less popular showbiz articles in other countries and you'll see the same problem (and look at the edit history of popular showbiz articles). Overall entropy will push an articles into nothing more than a list of senseless and unverified information. The answer is more editors and bolder editors... not protection of said articles (unless you want all articles to be protected... that's a whole other debate) harlock_jds (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandals have stepped up

A lot of new users are now circumnavigating the semi-protects and are now more malicious and blatant. --Howard the Duck 11:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I told you so. We should request a blanket semi-protect on all Philippine showbiz-related articles because we know how touchy warring fanboys tend to be (don't believe me? just look at Pinoy Exchange). Starczamora (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I enjoy reading PEX, especially on the GMTV forum (LOL). However it seems the vandals are targeting only Marian Rivera and Marimar. Others can be dealt with easily, like by blocking. --Howard the Duck 14:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
P.S.: I don't usually watch ABS articles but when I do a "drive-by" (when clean up a same class of articles), I usually keep watch of them for a few days until they're buried in my contributions link. And imposing a complete protect on one class of articles won't be approved, unless someone does my Cristy Fermin example above. --Howard the Duck 14:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

To: The BONGGA! Article Contributor

Hi, It is such an honor and wonderful feeling to be a part of a legendary TV show such as this, and what makes you even more proud to see it in one of the worldwidely used site such as wikipedia.org! I must congratulate you for doing such great job on this. I know how much effort and time it took you to come up with this wonderful material. I was one of the hosts of that show and i just did a few corrections (i.e., spelling of my name: changed it to May from Mae, and also put in the complete name of Apol Arro which is April Rose Arro, etc.) I would appreciate it if someone from that network could keep in touch with me I surely miss TV Hosting! <3 Cherry of Bongga! (Hosted 2006-2007) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitamincherry (talk • contribs) 21:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Newton Study Center

I nominated this article for deletion. Apparently, Arikasikis keep on removing the afd tag. The user thinks that there was already a decision to keep the article, which there is no such decision because my afd nomination is fresh. Can someone bring back the afd tag? I might violate the WP:3RR rule. --Jojit (talk) 07:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Lenticel. :) --Jojit (talk) 07:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Re-adding an AfD tag for an ongoing discussion falls under Wikipedia:3RR#Exceptions --- it's defined as vandalism under Wikipedia:Vandalism#Types of vandalism ("Avoidant vandalism"). So no need to worry =). Cheers, cab (talk) 23:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Arikasikis has just created the Coalition against Tagalog Imperialism and invited lots of Filipino Wikipedians (including blocked ones). I don't think this is a humor userbox and it smells of WP:POINT after the Newton Study Center afd.--Lenticel (talk) 05:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw that too, but it's harmless, at least for me. You can try MFD, though. --Howard the Duck 06:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Nah, I think other uninvolved users can take care of that. I don't want to spoil this day :)--Lenticel (talk) 06:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this synonymous to Imperial Manila? Or the Luzon Empire exists up to this day? ;) --Jojit (talk) 06:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

question for Komikon

Hi, just created the article above, but I don't know what's the appropriate stubbing for it. Also, since it's the very first comic book convention in the country, I would like to know if it would qualify for DYK? Thanks! †Bloodpack† 09:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

You need sources for this. Newspaper articles covering the conventions are enough. --seav (talk) 09:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
You mean the statements I made within the article? I have a pamphlet when I attended the October 21, 2006 convention, but since I can't copy its contents (copyright violation), I translated some of its content on my own. I can scan that material, is it ok to have a jpeg as a citation? The texts are too small though, what dpi should i use? †Bloodpack† 10:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

It is sad that the komik industry in the Philippines is so down that this event (im afraid) is not (yet probably) covered by any popular newspapers, but I'll ask the organizers through their deviantart to ask for help...But reading this pamphlet on my hands, I see that the first Komikon was covered by ABC5 †Bloodpack† 10:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think another paragraph will be enough for DYK standards. --Howard the Duck 10:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hm, the New Worlds Alliance wiki was Deleted, with those who said delete saying it read like an advertisement. I think it's notable, certainly with more media coverage than Komikon. How much trouble do you guys think I would be getting myself into for reviving it? The Philippine Annual Science Fiction and Fantasy Conventions redirect there, btw. -- Alternativity (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I have not idea as to the New Worlds Alliance. Perhaps, it was deleted because of the manner it was written. And perhaps a better rewrite without any peacock or npov would keep it. Btw, thanks for the linkages! †Bloodpack† 06:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I've found some references:
Anyway, for more info about getting your new article to DYK, go to T:TDYK. (p.s. My article on Isko Moreno just got featured in DYK.) Starczamora (talk) 14:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Dang! I almost forgot, Newsarama has an article on it written by Gerry Alanguilan †Bloodpack† 06:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make the article a DYK, I suggest that you use in-line cites. DYK admins prefer hooks that are sourced. Also the article needs expansion. Hope this helps--Lenticel (talk) 06:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

"Pinoy uses wiki model to make textbooks for public schools"

See the article in Inquirer.net. I guess 99.9999% of Filipinos have not heard of Wikibooks, eh? --seav (talk) 16:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Also in the article : "To date, his initiative has attracted several volunteers. It also started working with another group hammering out a Creative Common license specific to the Philippines to allow content to be shared. This license is currently a "work in progress" " . From that article, we have unearthed something:

Well its a good time to stamp all Philippine-related maps with a better license so that it wont be used freely by ABS-CBN, NBN-4 and RPN-9 in their news reports.--Exec8 (talk) 17:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I've actually heard about the CC-PH initiative about two weeks ago but didn't see the need to mention it yet. Anyway, I'll probably study how these local licenses are different from the vanilla ones. --seav (talk) 02:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Wikimedia Commons accepts the country-specific-variants of CC. Also, I don't know if you have licensed a work under CC-BY-SA 3.0, for example, is it automatically licensed under the country-specific-variants? --seav (talk) 02:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if this will work, but what about incorporating Bayanihan Books into Wikibooks proper, at least for the Tagalog-language content? --Sky Harbor 12:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Probable deletion of Philippine currency, Needs FU

Just a heads up. It seems that {{Non-free currency}} and {{PhilippinesGov with fair use}} arent enough to save the 2000 peso bill from probable deletion. I just thought you could help provide with fair-use rationales here.--Lenticel (talk) 06:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Check markY Done. --Jojit (talk) 06:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Jojit but I think all of our banknotes are affected since all have no FU's. --Lenticel (talk) 06:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Aside from the 1000 and 2000 bills, I think all of our bills should be "shrunk" to a lower resolution before adding fair-use rationales. I'm sorry bu I can't help in this part since I'm no expert on graphics.--Lenticel (talk) 07:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
If the picture does not exceed 0.1 megapixels, it's just fine. Just like the case of the 2000 peso bill. --Jojit (talk) 07:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
How about the back? Image:Php_bill_2000_back.JPG --Exec8 (talk) 08:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Check markY Done. Probably, some of you can do the rest. Just copy the FU rational that I gave in the 2000 peso bill. --Jojit (talk) 09:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I fixed the FU for the 1000 peso bill. I'm still uncomfortable with the others so I won't add rationales for them.--Lenticel (talk) 10:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Timeline: 2008 Calls for Resignation of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo

I created this article today Timeline: 2008 Calls for Resignation of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, and suggested the merger of Philippine National Broadband Network controversy‎ into my created article in view of the paramount import and transcendental value of the "Gloria Resign" current event. Please contribute. Cheers. ----Florentino floro (talk) 14:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Philippine National Broadband Network controversy

Time to update this article. Sorry Seav, but my tibak senses is tingling. :)--Lenticel (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I suggested the merger of this article with my just created article, since the Filipino with bated breath, awaits the end of the political chaos that envelopes our country - Timeline: 2008 Calls for Resignation of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo‎. -- --Florentino floro (talk) 14:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh come on, another POV forked article when you've just contributed to other articles. This is very similar to your other "Timeline" article which was deleted. I suggest you tag it with {{db-bio}} to avoid the AFD drama. --Howard the Duck 14:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

(reset indent). Hey the drama is on TV. I think I've never been to drama aside from that soap opera. The twist ending was surprising.--Lenticel (talk) 08:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Happy Valentines

O sa mga sawi. Tapusin niyo na lang ang backlog dito--Lenticel (talk) 03:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Nilalagnat ako ng mga panaghong yan. hehe. --Efe (talk) 07:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Palawan ranking

Hello all, this issue concerns specifically with the Palawan article and rankings in general. I put the NatGeo Traveller's ranking of Palawan where it's ranked 13th best, however two editors make it 27th. I reasoned that there are ties in the rankings [[3]]. Just now, I referenced the pdf link where it's written and ranked 13. Stating that Palawan is 27th best instead of 13th best maybe is a violation of WP:No Original Research as the reference states it as 13th, not 27th. How do we treat ties in ranking here? Jordz (talk) 10:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Use what the citation says. --Howard the Duck 11:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

merger on Timeline of Hello Garci scandal

I have added a merge template on Timeline of Hello Garci scandal, to be merged with Hello Garci scandal. I dont see why a separate "timeline" should be created when the whole tale can be merged into a single article. Your thoughts are appreciated †Bloodpack† 09:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Support the article could some updating.--Lenticel (talk) 09:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Neutral - I think the reason why this was spun off is that the original article got very long. --Howard the Duck 09:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Almost all of the info in the 47KB "Timeline" article is unsourced, poorly written, or not very significant. Before any mergine, it needs to be pruned significantly. TheCoffee (talk) 12:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Coff! Once this article is trimmed down to its sufficient level, we can merge it to the main one †Bloodpack† 13:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually I did "merge" it to the NBN article somewhat... I took the statements of Joey DV III, current Senators and Noli de Castro and placed them in NBN-ZTE deal#Reactions. Plus also the Friday rally. --Howard the Duck 12:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Manila Peninsula rebellion#Aftermath

I tried shortening this very long section but I gave up. Any takers? --Howard the Duck 14:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The Philippine Star article was deleted. WTF?!

Please see the deletion reasons on:

--seav (talk) 15:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I myself was dumbfounded when they appeared as red links. I think some Pinoy admin can restore this since they were all speedies. --Howard the Duck 15:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It's been restored. I'll be moving The Philippine STAR to The Philippine Star. --Howard the Duck 16:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Philippine TV Ratings Afd?

found this while searching dead-end pages. Anyways it seems to have "historical" data and not only daily logs so I think it might be a useful article. Then again I don't really watch TV. Anyways showbiz-inclined Tambays can improve it or send it to the kangkungan--Lenticel (talk) 12:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

AFD it, since it has no sources, and sources will be hard to find. There is a fully-sourced List of Philippine television ratings for 2008, though. --Howard the Duck 12:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Done.--Lenticel (talk) 12:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Voted ^_^ †Bloodpack† 12:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I dunno if this will "win"... lets see. I'll vote if someone objects. --Howard the Duck 12:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Alfredo Benipayo article needs attention.

I noticed that the bio-article (of the man who made me suffer for 8 years - July 20, 1999 - preventive suspension), must be cleaned up, and written in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. A tag may be needed like current events, in view of his serious condition. On July 20, 2002, I filed a 20 pages Motion in Court predicting this hospitalization on February, 2008, and his imminent lingering illness, bedridden leading to painful death, and it happened while my article is for AFD by a Filipino editor. So, I want to prove that my long argument against the AFD deletion is not a rant, not a blog and valid thesis for mounting calls on GMA exit. Please take a day to day close encounter with the medical condition of Benipayo vis-a-vis hour to hour watch on PGMA Exit. Any UST users here? On February 22, 2008, 3 p.m., Alfredo Benipayo (Dean of the faculty of civil law at the University of Santo Tomas) was hospitalized in Iloilo City's Saint Paul's Hospital. At the middle of his lecture before the Integrated Bar of the Philippines Iloilo Chapter in a hotel, he collapsed.gmanews.tv, Ex-Comelec chief Benipayo rushed to hospital in Iloilo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florentino floro (talk • contribs) 06:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, my computer did not work, so I sign this. --Florentino floro (talk) 06:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

removal of "Objection to deletion" section

As per WP:SPAM, WP:TALK and WP:BATTLE, I removed this section. It's seems to me that this is going to be an endless debate, you reply, I reply, you reply, I reply, blah blah. If you have any concerns, arising from the AfD of Florentino floro's article, go there. Any posts stemming out from that issue again will be deleted, NOW LET'S ALL MOVED ON! (fer Christ sake) †Bloodpack† 10:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

"It's your choice. Wiki Rules must be interpreted, by reading their spirit and true intent, instead of offering in the altar of technicalities, the niceties and hodge-podge of farce or moro-moro debate, argument and discussion, where Filipino editors already decided before the AFD tag was placed. Let us make Wiki global and encyclopedic; and let us correct, rectify and straighten the bitter minds of Filipino editors who make Wiki good articles like mine, vandalized per subjective if not erratic application and interpretation of litany of Wiki rules. Please look at the policy behind these Rules. --Florentino floro (talk) 10:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
"Filipino editors who make Wiki good articles like mine" Ü. Sweet --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 04:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
The best edits I ever had, are not my scholarly written Wikipedia articles on law, but my short edits on the current events supported by media links, on the horrible deaths, pains, illnesses and accidents of all those who made me suffer for 8 years since July 20, 1999: when Alfredo Benipayo signed my longest preventive suspension[4]in world judicial history. As I was writing my 700 pages book, on current, (the 357 pages first part was published last year), or yesterday, I included therein Benipayo's angioplasty on February 21, 2001 which I did predict and cause, and yesterday, as the violet light struck when I was fighting for the AFD, I will prove to the entire world who googled me on April 6, 2006, that LUIS as king of kings of elementals, who wield for me the GIFT to block the vessels of my persecutors. And Wikpedia as encyclopedia is the best vehicle to make encyclopedic the events which would permanently make my footprints in the chronicles of judicial history and psychic phenomena.--Florentino floro (talk) 06:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
What is the connection of the psychic phenomena thing with the Tambayan and the AFD discussion? It's just derailing relevant discussions here at the Tambayan. It's tiring just to read. Let's just move on other stuff. --bluemask (talk) 06:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, let's just delete it and move on. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 08:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I suggest that we should stop this madness and instead focus on other articles remotely related to the Philippines for the meantime until this ends. --Howard the Duck 11:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Noted Without Action. Make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia, and leave it as it is. - --Florentino floro (talk) 06:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Isabel Blaesi article needs attention.

I think this article I mentioned really needs attention. It has been the subject of vandalism lately. Can someone help on this? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I filed a semi-protection request on WP:RFPP. I hope that helps.--Lenticel (talk) 13:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Nothing worked. And the vandalism has been happening for almost a week now. In the first place, is she notable? I don't even know her. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Well you could watchlist the page or Afd it if you feel she's really non-notable. --Lenticel (talk) 05:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I think she is non-notable because she is not a ringer for me and I don't think anyone knows her. That's why it's under AFD. BTW, it has been protected. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Non-Tagalog Philippines

Another regional notice board. Wikipedia:Non-Tagalog Philippines. AFD, anyone? --Chris S. (talk) 20:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely, the original author has been going around Filipino Wikipedians campaigning for the "downfall" of Tagalog. Starczamora (talk) 00:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
UPDATE...Now nominated for Mfd Starczamora (talk) 02:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

2007 Census of Population of the Philippines

"Census of Population is the complete count of all residents, both Filipinos (including overseas workers) and foreigners who have stayed or are expected to stay for at least a year in the Philippines.

Eleven censuses of population have been undertaken since the turn of the 20th Century: 1903, 1918, 1939, 1948, 1960, 1970, 1975, 1980, 1990, 1995 and 2000.

Census enumeration started last August 1, 2007 and lasted for about 25 days. The National Statistics Office (NSO) is the sole government agency to undertake Census of Population and all other censuses by the National Statistical Coordination Board (NSCB).

The population count by province, city, municipality, and barangay shall be released by February 28, 2008. The final count shall be considered official for all purposes upon proclamation by the President of the Philippines. Census data will also be made available in printed volumes and compact discs."
Source: census.gov.ph

A heads up. Expect major edits in all LGU articles this March. --Exec8 (talk) 07:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Can we retain the 2000 counts into a demographics section somewhere? And indicate the growth rate over the 7 years? Also, I think this needs a task force with a checklist of sorts. --seav (talk) 09:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I've been thinking about this ever since I made the little municipality articles. Actually I was thinking there wouldn't be another census until 2010. I guess we could put in demographics sections, but what else could go in them other than the 2000 and 2007 population counts? TheCoffee (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Historical populations
Census Pop.  %±
1960 357,232
—
1970 518,103 45%
1980 1,356,621 161.8%
1990 1,563,396 15.2%
2000 2,378,963 52.2%
See the Demographics section of Benguet for a nice example which also uses data from the 1995 census. --seav (talk) 02:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone seen the DBM allocation of Internal Revenue Allotment? They base it on the province's or municipality's land area and population (new provinces and municipalities are updated there with respect to their land area and population based on the 2000 census). However, if you were to analyze it, it will appear that Lanao del Sur is 3rd largest province. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 05:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Maybe we can come up with something like this? Though I know we don't have so much data to list down, let's just add as soon as they become available? FYI, I borrowed the table from the US State of Washington --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 08:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
The official count of the population of the country based on the 2007 Census of Population conducted in August 2007 by the National Statistics Office (NSO) will be released in March. This was originally scheduled to be out this day. The NSO's intensified saturation drive to cover the smallest geographic area possible for greater accuracy and reliability in population count and the backing out of some census enumerators, resulted in unwanted delays in data processing. Census Press Release 16 --Exec8 (talk) 05:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Sergio Apostol needs cleanup

A new article, Sergio Apostol, is in bad shape. Aside from general cleanup, POV check is also needed. --bluemask (talk) 04:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup the article. Could use some context from early life. The E-link that I posted in the article can provide some but I'm too lazy to improve it. He's not a very likable person ;)--Lenticel (talk) 09:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Jeepney

Hey guys, a little help here in cleaning up would be appreciated.--Lenticel (talk) 08:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The problem is generally the lack of sources. I'll try to look into some. BTW, I've removed a photo of jeepneys in Bacolod City because the mall is more prominently displayed than the vehicles. Starczamora (talk) 09:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Assessment Department Update (March 2008)

Philippine-related
articles		 Importance
Top High Mid Low None Total
Quality
Featured article FA 5 3 1 2 11
A 1 1
Good article GA 6 7 9 3 25
B 103 48 97 40 288
Start 179 367 1144 981 2671
Stub 45 138 1395 1736 3314
List 1 9 17 33 4 64
Assessed 339 572 2663 2796 4 6374
Unassessed 1 4 2 1 8
Total 340 572 2667 2798 5 6382

Since the last update, we have tagged about 650 articles as part of the Philippine-related articles assessment drive. There are still approximately 4,300 articles left to tag. As can be seen from the graph, the assessment has slowed down since the start of last December. I think we can do better. Let's clear up the backlog, people! :-)

--From your self-appointed Assessment Department Chairman, seav (talk) 06:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Philippine remakes of Mexican telenovelas

I would like to raise a concern regarding some anon users keeps on adding "upcoming" Philippine remakes of Mexican telenovelas, namely Maria Mercedes, Betty la Fea and others. I'm not sure if these "remakes" are true or just rumors. Please help me verify these remakes.. thanks! -Danngarcia (talk) 15:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The so-called Philippine remake of Maria Mercedes has been deleted for lack of sources. Meanwhile, although there are talks about a Betty La Fea remake, I have yet to read ANY confirmed news that it is being produced (talks and speculations about who would play who are not valid). Starczamora (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Kasanaan entry in Bathala

Hi. I wasn't the one who created the entry in Bathala where it expounds on where Bakonawa lives, but the section gave me the impression that "Kasanaan" meant Underworld. SOmeone has since changed Kasanaan to Kasamaan, which means "Evil", not "Underworld." I'm not really that good at deep Tagalog. At any rate, that particular fact doesn't have a reference. I personally dont want to delete it, though, because documentation on Philippine mythology can be so hard to find and is quite often a repetition of an oral telling anyway. Anybody care to comment on Kasanaan? Is the correction to Kasamaan appropriate?Alternativity (talk) 20:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

This tells us that Kasanaan is the underworld (place to torture souls that deserves punishment) and Sitan (not the Moon serpent) is the chief diety along with his lackeys, the mangkukulam and the Mangagaway (not the manananggal or aswang). (page 11) The text can't be viewed in the actual page as it is on "snippet view" though there is enough data in the book's page for a template:cite book ref.--Lenticel (talk) 01:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

sana po

sana po lagi updated un mga entries sa ibat ibANG REGION LALO NA UN SA POPULATION AT UN ECONOMIC SITUATION EVERY REGION..TNX PO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.147.67 (talk) 04:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. You can actually help out by editing the articles as long as you have valid sources (which you should also include). However, here are things you should learn:
  • This is an English-language Wikipedia. You need to communicate in that language.
  • You get more respect if you do not "typ n txt spk".
  • You do not NEED TO SHOUT.
Thanks! Starczamora (talk) 05:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Guys, we need to work on this. Who's not busy? --Efe (talk) 06:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
We can do this after the Census that Exec8 talks about is released.--Lenticel (talk) 09:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Donation to Wikimedia from a student in the Philippines?

“ "I remember one envelope, from the Philippines, contained four dimes and a handful of pennies; Barbara, the secretary, was so moved that she rounded it out to a dollar." —from a comment by All's Wool that Ends Wool ”

Ignore the drama surrounding that statement above in the blog. If the donation's true, then it's truly a wonderful thing, right? It makes our volunteering our time in Wikipedia that much more meaningful. :-)

In other news, Read-or-Die's Kristine Mandigma, which some of us met last year, is now editor-in-chief of WikiPilipinas. Whoa! --seav (talk) 14:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well I think of our volunteer work as an intellectual Red Cross. Wow, talk about career moves. Maybe we'll have an article about her next year if she garners enough notability. --Lenticel (talk) 22:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I've been thinking about just that. If Read or Die Philippines gets a Second Philippine Literary Convention to happen this year, it think Read or Die Philippines will more or less prove itself a sustainable grassroots literary appreciation movement to merit its own wiki, if it doesn't yet merit one now... -- Alternativity (talk) 16:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Laguna de Bay needs looking into

Someone from the Federation of Fishpen & Fishcage Operators Associations of Laguna de Bay has just dumped a lot of data onto the Laguna de Bay wiki, and marked it as a minor edit. It seems quite of the data is well referenced, but may not be NPOV. I don't acutally have time to go through all the details of the new edit yet, so I thought I'd give everybody the heads up. Alternativity (talk) 16:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Human trafficking in Angeles City

An article within the remit of this project has been nominated for deletion, please feel free to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human trafficking in Angeles City. Rockpocket 21:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup 4 (Manila) Concern

Naiiwanan na tayo ng ibang mga Wikipedians, as I say it in Tagalog. We should plan for the next Wikipedia meetup as early as now. I am quite disappointed, since the last meetup was held on October 2007. We should try to have another meetup by May 2008 (logical, more time for preparations, etc.). stay tuned to this frequency (some sarcasm). -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 14:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Not May, but very early June (between June 1-3). However, there are a few things on the agenda that we need to address urgently in my opinion:
  • Tagalocentrism
  • Wikimedia Philippines
  • Fostering a sense of community and propriety with WikiPilipinas and WikiFilipino in particular. With respect to WikiFilipino, this includes a unified interface translation for MediaWiki in Tagalog/Filipino.
It is true that it has been five months (or so) since the last meetup, and while the Philippine Wikimedia community is not as active as its neighbors' (the Taiwanese, Hong Kong and Indonesian communities are far larger and far more active than the Philippine community), we need to make some headway if we are ever going to get work done. And I hope this time, we have more than six people in a meetup, and hopefully we have females in it as well. --Sky Harbor 01:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I really don't think that Tagalog-centrism is a big a problem that others paint it to be. There are plenty of non-Tagalog people here (TheCoffee is even an administrator) that find no problem on whether Philippine-related articles are too Tagalog-heavy. I think the main agenda for the next meet-up should be about Wikimedia Philippines and outreach activities. Let's leave content issues on any particular Wikipedia from the main agenda but they can be side topics.
Regarding WikiFilipino, please take note that the language they're using is Filipino and not Tagalog (yes, it's that debate again), so I'm not so sure about the merits of having a unified UI for MediaWiki on both projects. --seav (talk) 04:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

New locator maps for Dinagat Islands' towns

It's been more than a year since Dinagat Islands became a province but I finally got around to creating locator maps (in SVG!) of the province's towns. If I have time, I'll create ones for Shariff Kabunsuan and redo Surigao del Norte and Maguindanao (as well as redo the locator maps for those provinces themselves). --seav (talk) 14:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Basilisa

Cagdianao

Dinagat

Libjo

Loreto

San Jose

Tubajon
Idol! Just take note of the new towns like Datu Anggal Midtimbang, Maguindanao and like Northern Kabuntalan, Shariff Kabunsuan. If you have time to sort figure out the new Basilan, Sulu and Tawi-Tawi towns that's be great. I wanna learn SVG too. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 20:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Awesome. :D TheCoffee (talk) 15:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Sibutu too. --Filipinayzd (talk) 19:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

DOST logo

Guys what is the more acurate DOST logo? This one or this one. Anyways both have FU problems. One is speedy tagged as orphan while the other is licensed as free. --Lenticel (talk) 07:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

To my knowledge, the one that says Logo for Wiki is the basic one, with or without the accompanying text. The one that says DOST official logo is in 3D and is in a different perspective. I suspect the second one is licensed as free because the person who made it thought altering it that way made it qualified as copy-left. I'm not absolutely certain, though. Alternativity (talk) 08:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The 2-D one is more official. --Howard the Duck 11:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The logo of DOST should be in 2-D format and should be in SVG format not JPG format.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 10:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I prefer the 2-D image as well but I don't have a "template" gov't agency seal to copy the FU from. --Lenticel (talk) 05:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. I found one. consider this done.--Lenticel (talk) 05:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Current on hold nominee

Fernando Poe, Jr. is currently a nominee put on hold by a reviewer. I think Jojit is not around and its been there for a week. Any help? --Efe (talk) 10:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Orange and Lemons is in bad form. --Efe (talk) 10:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm here. :) I'm just busy with real life. Probably, I will squeeze it on my schedule. In any case, you are free to edit it as recommended by the reviewer. --Jojit (talk) 00:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Philippines Redux

It seems that some quarters feel that the word "tambayan" implies a Tagalog-centrism in this Philippine WikiProject/Regional notice board. Personally, I didn't think that the choice of the word "tambayan" (when I created this page back in February 2005) would result in some form of ethnic friction, which is actually just a spill-over from the Filipino language debate last November 2007 and the recent pointy Non-Tagalog Philippines project.

There has been a proposal and discussion back in October 2007 to rename/upgrade Tambayan Philippines into a full-blown WikiProject much like Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history, which seems to be the gold standard when it comes to WikiProjects (it has several departments, various elected positions, and has produced tons of Featured articles). There was not really a consensus to do the rename and the discussion sort of died out.

Now here are my observations about the current state of Filipino Wikipedians in the English Wikipedia and the contribution to Philippine-related articles:

  • Tambayan Philippines (despite being 3 years old) is still a fledging WikiProject with two low-active departments: Assessment and Collaboration and has a minor central clearinghouse for Philippine-related article notices (e.g. AfDs).
  • Tambayan Philippines is still mostly a regional notice board due to the high activity in the Tambayan's main talk page. (You can consider regional notice boards as more informal and less focused versions of WikiProjects.)
  • The Tambayan has been mostly effective as a place where non-Filipinos can request help on problematic Philippine-related articles.
  • The Tambayan has successfully conducted various offline meetups in Metro Manila.
  • The Tambayan has become a centralized location of discussion regarding Wikimedia Philippines.

Now, let it be said that the aims and goals of a Wikimedia Philippines and the WikiProject Philippines on the English Wikipedia (i.e., Tambayan Philippines, as it is called right now) are two entirely different things. Wikimedia Philippines is just a local support arm of the Wikimedia Foundation and has no jurisdiction over the Foundation's projects while Tambayan Philippines is purely focused on improving Philippine-related articles on the English Wikipedia. So any further discussion about the Tambayan right now should leave Wikimedia Philippines alone.

So, what are the next steps we should do? Should we rename this to WikiProject Philippinesand lose the Tagalog connotation of "tambayan"? Should we step-up the collaborative nature of the Tambayan and make it more organized? Or should we stick with making the Tambayan an informal forum (Village Pump) of sorts?

--seav (talk) 03:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

  • The low input on the two collaborations: Ningas-kugon or simply the lack of numbers to do the job.
  • The next steps: Changing the Tambayan into WP:PHILIPPINES is alright. We can call ourselves WikiPinoys rather than Tambays if consensus says so. However we don't have enough numbers to actually go to the next level. I suggest we maintain the status quo until we can recruit more active members
  • Our main weakness: We only unite when there's a threat. Otherwise we simply go our on merry way to fix our favorite articles. We also seem to be unfriendly to non-Tagalog. As a non-Tagalog myself, I don't see what bugs them. Maayos naman kayong kausap --Lenticel (talk) 08:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
To appease the people who might feel that the usage of the word "Tambayan" is Tagalog-centric and that this board is not yet ready to go to the next step (as a Wikiproject), how about using the generic name "Wikipedia:Philippines regional notice board"? Neutral enough for me since I am not Tagalog and English is one of the official language of the Philippines.--bluemask (talk) 09:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm that is a good idea since it solves the Tagalog-centrism problem (which I don't see) and maintains the status quo for now. I think we're really not ready for the next level. We need more warm bodies--Lenticel (talk) 09:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I can't see Tagalog-centrism (is there such a word), here at the board. --bluemask (talk) 10:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
You mean tagalocentrism (a neologism), right? But we have to observe the proper naming format for WikiProjects and notice boards if we ever change the name. --Sky Harbor 11:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The title of the WikiProject Philippines the Tambayan Philippines is a Tagalog-centric and the title of Tamabayan Philippines must be changed into Philippine Wikipedians' notice board so that there is no more Tagalogcentrism in the WikiProject Philippines and the non-Tagalog speakers like me will not feel an any favoritism to the Tagalog people in the WikiProject Philippines. I hate Tagalog people because Tagalog people discriminates Cebuano people since the Spanish times such as ridiculing or discriminating the Cebuano accent by the Tagalog speakers.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 08:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I can make the argument that "Tambayan" is a Filipino word so it's not Tagalog-centric. And the leftist in me that hates the U.S. wouldn't want Philippine Wikipedians since it's English, hence U.S.-bias. --Howard the Duck 08:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Question: Is there a sign of discrimination on this board?
Yes, because you use the title Tambay with the suffix -an which this suffix -an is in Tagalog form and to be neutral, the title of WikiProject Philippines title should be in English not in Filipino because this is English Wikipedia not Tagalog Wikipedia.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 11:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I can argue it's a Filipino word. --Howard the Duck 11:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
"Philippines" is a colonial word, that's pro-Spanish bias. To achieve 100% neutrality, I'd prefer Wikipedia:WikiProject about the islands between Taiwan, Sulawesi, Borneo, Vietnam and Palau.--Howard the Duck 11:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I think it is silly to say that there is discrimination just because the name of the page contains "tambayan." The pertinent question is, do Tagalog people, through their edits, disrespect non-Tagalog people and their contributions? Personally, I don't think there is any such form of discrimination. TheCoffee is from Negros Oriental, and an admin here, and he doesn't see any discrimination. Efe is from Southern Leyte and he doesn't see any discrimination as well. --seav (talk) 13:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Survey: What is "hang-out place" on different languages in the Philippines if it is not "tambayan". --bluemask (talk) 09:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I asked an Inland Bikol speaker and she said "Tambayan". --Howard the Duck 09:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Ilocano speakers in the San Fernando/Bauang/San Juan, La Union area use "tambayan". --bluemask (talk) 09:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Take note: tambay comes from English "standby." Cebuano uses istambay and then istambayan - according to a Visayan I was discussing the recent "Non-Tagalog Philippines" here. --Chris S. (talk) 09:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Tagalogs are lazy when it comes to words (Tagalogs shorten a LOT of words) so "istambay" also makes sense, although "tambay" is more prevalent. --Howard the Duck 10:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that Tambay or Istamabayun is the Cebuano word also of hang-out but I want the title of Wikiproject Philippines in English since we are in English Wikipedia. My prove is that Mexican Wikipedians didn't use the title of their Wikiproject in Spanish but they use in English!: Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico/Community.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 11:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

There's no problem with a non-English word as a Wikiproject name (ever heard of an English word called as "SGpedian"?). If this will be the cause of an edit war, this will qualify as the lamest edit war ever, even lamer than the I'm With You-I'm with You naming issue. --Howard the Duck 11:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I know and realized now the fact that Tambayan is a Filipino word not a Tagalog word. It's now OKAY for me to use Tambayan as a title of WikiProject Philippines.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 09:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope this is not a late reply but in the Tagalog Wikipedia, the equivalent of Tambayan Philippines is WikiProyekto Pilipinas, although, it's inactive and contributors usually goes to Kapihan for hang-out. --Jojit (talk) 09:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)