Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/VM3
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felipe_aira (01/06/2008 16:59:33): good afternoon
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 16:59:41): ian lopez has joined the conference.
Exec8 (01/06/2008 16:59:54): 3rd PhilWiki Chat officially started
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:00:14): sakto sa oras
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:00:32): hehe
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:00:40): yes!
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:01:31): will be online until around 10pm but i will be signing out around 8pm
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:01:47): me too, it's first day of school tommorrow
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:02:37): we have a new member here
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:03:23): nadiscuss na ba kung magkano ang yearly membership fee?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:03:30): nice featured picture for today in the english wikipedia
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:03:46): nope
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:03:53): si MacArthur
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:03:55): pledges pa lang
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:03:56): are we expecting othe rpinoy wikipedians?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:04:01): yup
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:04:36): Kevin Ray Chua's on SMS mode. Hope he goes online.
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:05:41): i may be contributing the same amount or a little higher in our pledges. This will at least go for the first half of the initial deposit for the org
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:06:04): are the pledges different from the actual membership fees?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:06:15): yeah
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:06:37): pledges are not fixed
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:06:43): I'll contribute P100. paano yung membership fee?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:06:58): 18+plus lang ba ang pwedeng magpledge
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:07:07): same here.
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:07:11): ang dami kong tanong heheh
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:08:07): may be there will be fees once the org nears incorporation
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:09:02): paano ang transaction niyan money transfer?
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:11:48): is this conference deserted? it looks like that we have a near- empty conference room.
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:11:58): eh konti pa lang online
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:12:03): most likely bank deposit
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:12:23): sa kaninong account
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:12:27): balak ko kasing magbigay
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:12:59): I can't create an account, obviously. have any other ideas?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:14:18): nagtanong na ako sa BDO at hindi madali ang pag-create ng corporate account kahit yung "process of incorporation". But I believe it can be achieved with a little pressure.
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:15:15): why not? are you over 18?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:15:23): yes
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:15:48): may personal bank account na ako sa BDO
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 17:16:33): Seav has joined the conference.
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:16:38): good for you. I had a bank account back then but it was closed due to lack of deposit.
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 17:17:30): Nino Gonzales has joined the conference.
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:17:35): hello
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:17:35): if you want it low try Citibank savings bank. There is no penalty at all and no ATM transaction charge
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:17:58): hey nino, welcome to the conference!
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:17:58): wow salamat naman at marami nang online
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 17:18:11): jinjian0604 has joined the conference.
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:18:16): yan serious mode na tayo
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:18:51): felipe, ganda ng press kit :)
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:18:56): thanks
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:19:09): aayusin ko iyon bigay ako ng bagong bersyon bukas
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:19:18): I like to file a vacation leave sa June 23-24 pero i never been to Cebu
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:19:35): even more reason to go there...
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:19:46): Wala pa akong relatives doon
Seav (01/06/2008 17:19:55): wala akong pera for plane ride
Seav (01/06/2008 17:19:56): hehe
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:19:59): Same here. Who designed the Wikimedia Philippines logo? Or was it modified from the original?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:20:06): me
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:20:23): I created it from Wikimedia Argentina in Inkscape
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:20:50): it's fully compliant to visual something guidelines of Wikimedia Foundation
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:21:33): Looks good enough for me. We'll be undoubtedly the first Wikimedia chapter in South East Asia.
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 17:21:39): Roel Balingit has joined the conference.
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:21:40): yehey!
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 17:21:43): Roel Balingit has joined the conference.
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 17:21:44): hello guys
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:21:48): hello
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:22:18): sa tingin niyo, ano pang magandang statistics ang isama roon sa PDF ng POSS bukod sa article count?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:23:10): page views
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:23:32): Maybe the number of articles in the Philippine language Wikimedia projects (tagalog wikipedia, cebuano wikipedia, etc.)?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:23:40): that would show how much impact wikipedia has... and how much impact contributing to it has
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:23:52): hindi ko ako makakagawa non kasi hindi nagpupublish ng Page views ang stats.wikimedia.org
Seav (01/06/2008 17:23:57): felipe... how about placing the text on meta first so everyone can copyedit it?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:24:13): sure
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:24:13): diba may top 100 report somewhere
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:24:15): yup
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:24:17): nabasa ko na may cookbook na pala sa tl.wikibooks
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 17:24:28): hohum
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:24:34): oo may user don ang daming ginawang panluto
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:24:41): User:Urbano
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:24:47): like what?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:24:53): pritong manok
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:24:57): guys, agenda....
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:24:58): * Cebu 1 and the Philippine Open Source Summit o Pledged participants and Philippine Wikimedia Community desk staff o Philippine Wikimedia Community (provisional name of WMPH) presskit, posters o Topics to discuss in Cebu 1 o PWC's actual participation to the POSS + Philippine Collaboration Projects - LGU, Culture & Arts + GNU Free Documentation License and other issues in Intellectual Property
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:25:03): ah yes
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:25:12): pledged?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:25:39): bentong, jojit, me and butch?
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:25:43): I'm pledging P100 initially, as I said earlier.
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:26:04): 50-50 pa ako sa sa trip sa cebu, i am waiting for my boss' approval
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:26:30): oks. but i'll give your name anyway
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:26:38): sorry ian, i mean poss participants
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:26:46): ok lang.
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:27:01): baka parang promdi ako sa Cebu - if that is a good term
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:27:19): all along puro sa Manila at Luzon lang ako
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:27:39): to ian may nakalagay nang statistics ng article count para sa mga Philippine-language Wikipediashttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PhlGr.PNG
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:28:22): nakita ko na yan, very impressive article count.
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:28:51): (I had seen it sa Tambayan talk page)
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:29:27): well at least we saw when the Cebuano and Tagalog Wiki count rose
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:29:45): to nino: tungkol doon sa pinost mo sa Tambayan, ilan bang mga artikulo ang ginawa tungkol sa mga French communes
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:30:16): I think that the cebuano language version has more articles than the tagalog language version.
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:30:25): butch, don't worry, you'll have tour guides... hehe... on the french communes, i'll get the no...
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:30:26): yup
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:30:29): misleading kasi
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:30:56): that's because of the french communes
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:31:14): we could just put a footnote...
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:31:25): *excluding french communes or something like that
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:31:26): tanungin muna natin ang mga taga ceb.wiki kung dapat ngang alisin sa bilang iyon?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:31:51): ako, i'm from ceb
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:31:56): malamang nakakategorisa iyon kaya doon ko na lang kukunin
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:31:57): ah ok
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:32:24): anyway, i'll post a note in ceb
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:32:51): any other promotional material we should have printed?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:33:00): aside from the poster
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:33:05): and the press kit?
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 17:33:51): lets just have posters muna..its hard to have press kits pa..since we still have budget constraints
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:34:06): wpinas agreed to print them
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:34:20): so no cost
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:34:25): kailangan pa natin ng pahintulot ng Wikimedia para gamitin ang logo nila
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 17:34:28): theres not much talk about... the org it self..
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 17:34:39): for purposes of official representation
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:35:05): the org has to be official first before official rep..
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:35:16): felipe, was that a q?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:35:23): or a statement?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:35:28): statement
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 17:35:37): dapat maorganize muna...
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 17:35:57): when ang target na maorganized ang org? mayroon ba?
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 17:36:00): mahirap you have all materials then hindi pa fully organized..then that will be misrepresentation?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:36:02): yup, that's why it's only unofficial now
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:36:09): so aalisin yung mga logo sa press kit
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:36:18): let's ask them first
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:36:24): good idea
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:36:41): i emailed jay walsh. he answered the first time re marketing materials
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 17:36:45): submit the proposal to wikipedia na...
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:36:53): Shall we end the life of WikiProject Encantadia? And we need to revive WikiProject LGU's..
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:36:54): no reply when i asked about usage of logo
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:37:03): may active pa ba doon?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:37:04): also the comms team. no reply
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:37:24): i'll email them again
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:37:26): Saan ba? Encantadia or LGU's?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:37:33): encantadia
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:37:41): wala na di ba
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:37:45): cut off its life support.
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 17:37:53): im for it
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:37:55): ako pa lang recently sa LGUs
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:38:38): btw, last two topics on cebu... so we could get that out of the way...
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:38:39): # Topics to discuss in Cebu 1 # PWC's actual participation to the POSS * Philippine Collaboration Projects - LGU, Culture & Arts * GNU Free Documentation License and other issues in Intellectual Property
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:39:17): no additions?
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:39:55): How about the recent contributions of our fellow tambays?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:39:56): ok. i guess we coud discuss this in the tambayan
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:40:08): for instance?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:40:13): to nino: alam ko na yata kung ilan ang mga french communes 31, 092
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:40:34): ok, i'm sure the graph would look more realistic if we remove that...
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:40:48): kasi mas makikita ang bicol ilo at cbk-zam
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:41:01): yup
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 17:41:22): Sky Harbor has joined the conference.
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:41:27): No, thank you.
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 17:41:50): Sky Harbor has joined the conference.
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:41:53): ok, i guess that's it for cebu... hope to see you all there...
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:42:04): i need a hotel room and a plane ticket
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:42:40): good luck with your "trip" since I won't join due to school activities.
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 17:43:07): kevinray_chua has joined the conference.
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:43:24): Kevin, thank God you're here.
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:43:48): yah
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:43:54): anyway...given that i am late due to taking a shower, where were we?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:43:55): CICT chairman's name is Ray Anthony Roxas Chua
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:44:08): wahaha
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:44:11): yah
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:44:16): pero i'm not related to him
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:44:52): I was supposed to ask the "are you related?" question.
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:45:01): i'm a son of Ronilo Nacorda Chua of Cebu and Elsa Tablate Napalit of Biliran
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:45:31): where exactly in cebu and biliran, respectively?
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 17:45:35): marunong ka magwaray?kevin?
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:45:44): maaram gad!
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:45:48): gamay la
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 17:45:52): maupay
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:45:59): my dad is from basak, cebu city
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:46:09): my mom is from biliran, biliran
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:46:19): waray man gad ako liwat
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:46:21): I hope the issue on public domain, copyright over a government website would be discussed in Cebu1
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:46:48): since there would be government representatives there
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:46:53): after all, meet-ups have been held in manila
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:47:41): are you joining poss?
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:48:59): Lobby them to make works of the Philippine Government public domain (not limited to flags of Philippine cities and provinces and official portraits of various Philippine presidents)
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:49:00): you should be there butch...
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:49:05): to talk this...
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 17:52:01): Roel Balingit has joined the conference.
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:52:08): I'll be back in an hur or so. I'll have to attend mass, eh.
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:52:19): well if time and money permits
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:52:39): I'll be back in an hour or so. I'll have to attend mass, eh.
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:52:42): if POSS were in september, i would love to go
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:52:58): it would give me a chance to see whether or not PAL took my suggestions seriously
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:52:58): sem break?
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:53:03): btw, wat's the meaning of POSS?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:53:11): Philippine Open Source Summit
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:53:13): http://oss.ph
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:53:20): by the way, who created the French commune stubs at ceb, this is so I can know how are they created and I can properly make the graph?
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:53:25): ok
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:53:45): i think bentong isles made them
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:53:49): i would not want tl.wiki to be inundated with french commune articles
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:54:01): me too
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:54:28): yeah, bentong said he wasn't very happy with that experiment...
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:54:32): I'll ask him if it was made alphabetically
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:54:39): experiment?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:54:40): i met him btw two weeks ago...
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:55:00): Scratch my previous announcement. not every Filipino would care about French communes.
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:55:07): japanese prefectures ata sa tagalog
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:55:15): oo
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:55:17): prefectures are inherently notable
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:55:22): communes less sol
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:55:23): so*
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:55:31): buti nga sa ce may coordinates at may infobox
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:55:40): sa amin one sentence lang talaga
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 17:55:45): bakit di kaya Philippine barangays
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:55:50): non notable
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:55:53): barangays have no notability
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:55:54): but i also sa artistas there as well,
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:56:12): mga politiko rin
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:56:12): for the purposes of the promotional materials, i think these kinds of stubs are misleading...
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:56:28): french or japanese...
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:56:53): I don't think they're promotional
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:56:55): well they can write about their favorite artista or politiko
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:57:04): i mean the press kit
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:57:11): we are promoting wikipedia
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:57:13): ah ok
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:57:14): and wikimedia
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:57:19): and helping out, etc
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:57:22): wikibooks and textbooks
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:57:27): I thought you were talking about the stubs
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 17:57:31): use florante at laura at tl.wikibooks
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:57:40): ignore the stubs, you can include only full articles.
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:57:51): yeah it's the most comprehensive book at tl.books
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:57:51): will GILAS help wikipedia?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:58:11): these are the ayala foundation folks right?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:58:17): yup
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:58:20): to ian: are you saying that I should not include stubs in the stats
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:58:31): what's GILAS?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:58:32): ...providing computers to schools
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:58:54): felipe, could you try that out? i bet we'll get a better graph..
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:59:03): I could try
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 17:59:07): if the data isn't to difficult to get...
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:59:13): but I'm sure it will take lots of time
Exec8 (01/06/2008 17:59:20): GILAS - Gearing Up Internet Literacy and Access for Students www.gilas.org
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 17:59:21): but i will
ian lopez (01/06/2008 17:59:46): it's up to you, felipe.
ian lopez (01/06/2008 18:00:06): I have a challenge: Why don't you put the unexpurgated version of Noli Me Tangere on Tagalog Wikibooks?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:00:10): in ceb it's especially hard since the French commune stubs there have more than 200 characters of readable text
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:00:11): jalavala has joined the conference.
ian lopez (01/06/2008 18:00:25): I'll have to go now. be back in an hour.
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:00:26): kool :D
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:00:30): stats.wikimedia.org considers anything above those as articles
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:00:34): thats a nice idea
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:00:36): ian lopez has left the conference.
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:00:44): pero prob lang is who is willing to encode?
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:00:47): sorry m late
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:00:53): encode what?
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:00:55): maybe you could just deduct the no of french communes
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:01:12): or expand on them
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:01:17): to increase depth
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:01:28): i mean for the graph
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:01:37): topic plz :)
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:01:50): yeah I can do that to the current count
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:02:07): but I can't know what's the statistics while they are still being added
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:02:22): hi im relly username: cloudhand
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:02:44): oooh...i see
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:02:54): we're talking about POSS, and the statistics that will be published with the press kit for POSS
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:03:06): ookie
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:03:31): foot note na lang... this graph only includes articles above xxx kb. the cebu count does not include french communes
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:03:44): or something like that...
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:04:15): or articles with more than xxx characters...
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:04:37): i think for POSS also, try promotng commons and free licensing of images
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:04:44): promoting*
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:04:55): yeah we should
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:05:00): perhaps we could print something for that as well
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:05:07): a collage
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:05:23): never mind what i said
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:05:25): but i still stand opposed to the tl.wiki proposal
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:05:28): i'm sure something is already available
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:05:50): yeah, don't follow the french commune thing
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:06:12): i think printed materials are necesary for promotions
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:06:20): what do you call a picture coposed of many other pictures?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:06:28): mosaic
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:06:28): i forgot what that's called.
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:06:31): yeah
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:07:03): jinjian0604 has joined the conference.
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:07:14): by the way, did you discuss WMPH yet?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:07:20): maybe we can advertise commons with a photographic one
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:07:20): nope
Seav (01/06/2008 18:07:39): collage
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:08:13): I opened an account in BDO and bumped a question about creating a commercial account
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:08:24): speaking of BDO
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:08:29): it costs P50 to deposit inter-region
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:08:36): yup
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:08:43): can they waive the amount?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:08:45): people see this http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimediaMosaicCapture.png
Nino Gonzales (01/06/2008 18:08:52): have to go guys. i'll leave my im open so i could read the discussion later. see i hope many more will join poss.
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:08:56): BDO na ba? not land bank?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:09:01): unsure yet
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:09:02): rather than 200 when it is Equitable PCI
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:09:14): i haven't asked landbank yet
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:09:17): i'll go tomorrow
Seav (01/06/2008 18:09:23): bdo na... i prefer their times
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:09:33): it should be a corporate checking account
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:09:39): BDO for time, Landbank for network
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:09:41): that's it
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:09:56): BDO, theres one below our office :)
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:10:09): bdo would be the best choive
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:10:12): choice
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:10:15): there are 6-8 within a one-mile radius of my house
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:10:25): convenience
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:10:31): convinence
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:10:32): i know that they sometimes waive fee kc nagdedeposit ako ng check para sa supplier namin
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:10:33): but...i still want convenience for potential provincial members
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:10:42): what the heck how do u spell that?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:10:47): Same with me, they're like mushrooms
Seav (01/06/2008 18:10:54): well... is there a pinoy wikipedian who's far from a bdo branch?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:11:07): many provinces do not have BDO branches
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:11:09): sa amin dito sa dasma ang daming bdo
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:11:22): mukang talamak n bdo
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:11:23): sayang yung 5K na difference sa maintaining balance
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:11:26): across the street lang po yung BDO, 3 yung BDO sa Tacloban City
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:11:26): example: a wikipedian in boac, marinduque would have to take a three-hour boat ride to lucena
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:11:27): around 3 to 5
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:11:28): so its a good choice :D
Seav (01/06/2008 18:11:29): true, but how often do we need to do financial transactions?
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:11:51): for donation or payment of expenses
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:11:53): ?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:11:56): both
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:11:57): even if its just once a year convenience is still ok
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:12:06): be must prioritize the wikipedians in the urban areas first
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:12:07): it wont be a bad choice
Seav (01/06/2008 18:12:10): its not as if we need to deposit every week
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:12:26): sayang yung network ng landbank and...5k na lower maintaining balance..
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:12:26): true
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:12:29): lets make a survey?
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:12:32): i prefer BDO kc yung landbank, ang haba ng pila
Seav (01/06/2008 18:12:43): BDO
Seav (01/06/2008 18:12:48): straw poll
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:12:51): id like to push for BDO
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:12:52): remember: INTEREST-EARNING checking account
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:12:55): agreed
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:12:58): the landbank requirement is P20,000
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:13:03): the BDO requirement is P25,000
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:13:04): it should be corporate checking account..
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:13:11): no problem with that
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:13:14): yes...interest-bearing corporate checking account
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:13:25): hw much money do we have now?
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:13:29): i think we could go beyond 25k
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:13:39): i dont know what's the difference in their interest rates
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:13:46): paano ang magiging transaction doon sa mga pledge
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:13:49): landbank has 1% on their website
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:13:54): BDO: don't know
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:13:58): hmmm
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:14:02): their savings rate is 0.75%
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:14:11): very small indeed
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:14:16): ignore the interest rates...keeping money in banks actually make you lose money...since inflation is higher than their interest rates
Seav (01/06/2008 18:14:23): those who are interested in making pledges, go to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Philippines/Articles_of_Incorporation#Pledges
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:14:23): lets not focus too much on the incomes/interest
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:14:24): true
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:14:27): i agree with you
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:14:50): we currently have P10,000 in pledges
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:15:00): who mentioned nga pala..corporations waiting to be incorporated with Landbank right?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:15:01): i like to focus into accessibility and fast transaction times
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:15:18): it's on their website
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:15:31): BDO meron din
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:15:36): btw, who wants Landbank?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:15:42): i support either
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:15:43): ..but not on website
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:16:01): BDO's website is not as informative as it used to be
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:16:10): I prefer BDO over Landbank
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:16:15): ill actually go for landbank..sayang kasi yung 5K difference sa maintaining balance..we should have more money to work on..than maintaining a higher balance
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:16:16): BDO
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:16:30): I belive bdo branches outnumber landbank's
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:16:39): Landbank possibly when we have sufficient fund
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:16:46): concentration is a different story
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:16:56): BDO has 695 branches but is more concentrated in rural areas
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:17:04): BDO?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:17:07): landbank has 300+ branches but is more spread out
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:17:12): i mean urban areas
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:18:04): well if there's an SM there's a bdo
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:18:17): But some maybe discouraged to deposit their donation at Landbank because of long queue, i dont know if your landbank has long queue?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:18:32): yeah
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:18:33): i prefer to survey the location of active wikipedians then corporate sponsors as basis of choosing our first bank
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:18:39): another is the corp address.. should at least be at least the house of the secretary-general?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:19:00): don't know
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:19:14): i haven't gone to the landbank branch in buendia
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:20:01): can we have a gannt chart when we can vote to approve the articles of incorporation? kasi yung 10K nating pledges would be consumed sa paglakad pa lang ng papers
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:20:06): Sa amin magkatapat lang ang Landbank and BDO tapos sa Alaminos, Pangasinan they share the same building
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:20:35): we need six copies of all documentsd
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:20:37): documents*
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:20:40): plus fees
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:20:44): kaya nga...
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:20:48): lets incorporate first...
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:20:50): vote on it
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:20:59): hmm...a cedula is one peso
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:21:04): not really
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:21:05): bir registration is P500
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:21:26): ill be back need to go to mass
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:21:34): anyway lets fix deadlines
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:21:45): the indonesians are well ahead :P
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:21:46): our main concern should be voting for the articles of incorporation
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:21:53): they just need to meet and they will approve their documents
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:21:57): then who would be incporporators
Seav (01/06/2008 18:21:58): forget the indonesians
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:22:10): yeah
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:22:15): i'm only raising a point
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:22:20): hmm...
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:22:21): the incorporators must already have their cedulas ready...
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:22:33): we have eight to choose from
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:22:35): it wont be bad if we got there first :D
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:22:35): if wala pang 2008...get one na
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:22:40): and we only need give
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:22:42): i have one!
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:22:43): five*
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 18:23:06): guys
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 18:23:06): gtg
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:23:10): kasi yung sa articles of incorporation nung inter-school org i was an officer..nakalagay lang Metro Manila Philippines
kevinray_chua (01/06/2008 18:23:11): pupunta pa ako sa mass
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:23:13): kevinray_chua has left the conference.
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:23:18): ang address
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:23:23): please pray for us
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:23:25): but its quite trivial that we are already discussing incorporation for more than a year now and we only started working when the indonesians started working theirs
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:23:26): you don't need an address
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:23:28): just a locality
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:23:29): ay nag log out n pala
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:23:38): yun nga..metro manila, philippines
Seav (01/06/2008 18:23:44): incorporators so far: # Exec8 - ACCEPTED # Seav - ACCEPTED # Bentong Isles - ACCEPTED # Jojit fb - ACCEPTED # Scorpion Prinz - ACCEPTED # Rebskii - ACCEPTED
- JinJian - ACCEPTED # Titopao - ACCEPTED
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:23:55): details like bank accounts can be threshed out by passing resolutions
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:23:56): that's why: City of Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:23:57): do need more incorporators?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:24:06): no less than five but no more than 15
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:24:12): kahit hindi na city of manila
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:24:23): metro manila, philippines will suffice
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:24:26): it's more proper since it also asks for the province
Seav (01/06/2008 18:24:27): let's shoot for 10
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:24:30): corporation code :D
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:24:31): i c so numbers of incorporators r ok now
Seav (01/06/2008 18:24:40): I'd like Lenticel and Alternativity to be incorporators too
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:24:43): count me out
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:24:47): hmmm
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:24:51): count me in
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:24:52): unless we incorporate in november
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:25:01): where the coffee?
Seav (01/06/2008 18:25:15): and The Coffee
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:25:17): wheres the coffee?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:25:28): i haven't seen him recently
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:25:35): i've seen other wikipedians on SSC recently
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:25:49): i dont know for Cedrik, i think he is not yet 18
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:26:00): Cedrik (lenticel)
Seav (01/06/2008 18:26:37): he's not 18 yet?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:26:55): i thought he was already above 18
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:28:30): hmm...
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:29:24): local government code provisions notwithstanding, it should be easy to get a cedula
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:29:40): well i need to check my box for that cedula otherwise i will get a new one
Seav (01/06/2008 18:29:58): i have a cedula
Seav (01/06/2008 18:30:10): it's a requirement for BIR 2316
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:30:31): before we open a bank account make sure that all incorporators have their IDs as well
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:30:44): How many IDs required?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:30:49): and remember: officers must have a TIN
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:30:53): two
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:31:02): do they need the original id?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:31:15): yes
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:31:36): paano yun? kc taga Tacloban ako?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:31:47): we need a meeting place for incorporation
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:32:03): because a paper copy of the AoI has to be signed, we need a founders' meeting
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:32:12): lets sacrifice 2 days?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:32:20): May kailangan pa bang idagdag o baguhin sa AoI?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:32:35): it meets the requirements of the SEC from my viewpoint
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:32:42): which area has the most number of wikipedians at least 5?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:32:51): metro manila
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:32:55): followed by metro cebu
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:33:28): pwede naman hindi ako maging incorporator...
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:33:37): clarification: Mega Manila (not metro manila)
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:33:50): oo nga may cavite pa
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:34:04): i live in sta. cruz manila and work in ortigas cntr, anyone willing to meet some place in between i can allot some time
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:34:21): megamall always work
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:34:23): mega manila: Metro Manila, Bulacan, Cavite, Rizal, Pampanga and Laguna
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:34:44): i would love WMPH to be representative though
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:34:46): sorry i wasnt active for more than a year
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:34:50): megamall
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:34:51): not limited to one geographical entity
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:35:03): megamall via MRT
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:35:07): not bad?
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:35:37): sagot ko food.... :D
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:35:53): can anyone from outside metro manila serve as an incorporator?
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:36:03): with free workout at fitness first ortigas
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:36:05): Paperworks lang naman ito so dont worry about geography. Once incorporated na tuloy-tuloy na ang caravan
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:36:07): limitations notwithstanding
Seav (01/06/2008 18:36:11): incorporators != board
Seav (01/06/2008 18:36:20): incorporators can all be from metro manila
Seav (01/06/2008 18:36:25): board has to be representative
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:36:35): i agree
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:36:51): this is not to disregard people from outside metro manila
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:37:13): a meeting like this deserves press coverage
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:37:25): like wikipilipinas
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:37:27): but lets do smthing on what's feasible and realistic
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:37:30): when is it going to happen? Try ko schedule pumunta sa Manila
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:37:38): there!
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:37:46): I like anytime this June
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:38:04): Like June 14 or 21
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:38:07): jinjian sagot ko lunch mo
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:38:10): :)
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:38:14): anyone els?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:38:15): not june 14
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:38:16): sweet
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:38:19): ehehe
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:38:21): leadership training conference
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:38:41): If you talk urgency June 7
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:38:44): efforts should be rewrded :D
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:39:02): kung may press man tayo siguradong tataas ang page views ng mga pilipinong wikipedia
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:39:14): i agree
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:39:21): that will not happen unless someone has connections to the press
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:39:26): i have a client who is a writer for phil star
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:39:34): remember, we are not like wikipilipinas and the vibal foundation
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:39:44): yeah
Roel Balingit (01/06/2008 18:39:44): forget those people
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:40:20): most likely press coverage should come a month after incorporation
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:40:41): why a month?
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:40:58): its a healthy competition
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:41:22): Bluemask has joined the conference.
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:41:23): lets not avoid a little stress
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:41:27): Bluemask has joined the conference.
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:41:35): Parang naprepare ng product launching
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:41:44): muscles grow stronger with stress
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:41:49): true
Seav (01/06/2008 18:42:06): bluemask should be an incorporator
Seav (01/06/2008 18:42:08): hehehe
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:42:10): well, if wikipilipinas can throw a big launch party, then so can we! :P
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:42:18): Bluemask has left the conference.
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:42:24): id like to nominate my self as a pencil pusher :P
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:42:52): i can get a lot of sponsors
Bluemask (01/06/2008 18:42:57): hey, i read my name there? wazup?
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:43:07): Bluemask has left the conference.
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Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:43:44): btw, is anyone going to translate the AoI into any other language?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:43:50): Parang katipunan yan
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:43:51): i was hoping for cebuano at the least
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:43:54): hehhe
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:44:10): 1892 ang incorporation tapos 1896 ang unang sigaw
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:44:59): so lets focus on the paperwork and physical meetup before anything else
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:45:27): Seav has joined the conference.
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Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:45:36): Bluemask has joined the conference.
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:45:37): got dc
Seav (01/06/2008 18:45:42): YM crashed
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:45:48): aw
Seav (01/06/2008 18:46:07): where were we?
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:46:10): i thought i got kicked out :D
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:46:29): 4 kayong na DC
Bluemask (01/06/2008 18:46:43): i thought naging tahimik lang.
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:46:48): hehehe
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:46:56): a sudden gush of silence
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:46:56): wait...
Yahoo! Messenger (01/06/2008 18:46:59): jinjian0604 has joined the conference.
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:47:04): valid point: HOW will we receive the money?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:47:09): Parang dial-up ha
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:47:15): no naka dsl ako
Seav (01/06/2008 18:47:34): somebody sabotaged the conference!
Seav (01/06/2008 18:47:37): hehehe
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:47:39): heheh
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:48:05): its the indonesians... :P
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:48:48): So is there any opposition to the AoI?
Seav (01/06/2008 18:48:57): the AoI seems to be ok...
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:49:04): ok for me
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:49:06): i wrote it, and i'm fine with it
Seav (01/06/2008 18:49:14): it's the Foundation bit that I had issues with in the first version
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:49:17): Meron pang by-laws tapos board resolution tapos treasurer's affidavit pa
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:49:28): i have no objection to AoI
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:49:30): i wrote the treasurer's affidavit already
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:49:32): lets just have it revised after the incorporation
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:49:42): i have no objections so far
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:50:02): if i have any, id like to hold it to my self for now :)
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:50:05): better to revise now than later
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:50:12): if we revise, we have to file with the SEC
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:50:21): I am willing to pledge web domain and philwiki gmail account
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:50:32): that's $35 a year
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:51:37): speaking of board, what's the name of the board?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:51:47): Mga dudes until 8pm lang ako pero you can still continue
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:52:17): we have a lot to choose from: Board of Trustees, Board of Directors, Board of Regents, Board of Governors...
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:52:35): vote now
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:52:48): Nice to hear but what is prefered ba ng wikimedia?
Seav (01/06/2008 18:52:59): board of trustees na lang
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:53:03): anyone on their keyboards?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:53:09): we're allowed to name our boards anything under the corporation code
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:53:17): yup, thats right
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:53:18): QWERTY
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:53:23): ehehe
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:53:56): i like trustees
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:54:01): any name will do for me. how about board of regents para parang university heheh
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:54:06): trustees is fine with me
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:54:29): though regents are cool :P
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:54:36): ...or anything that satisfies the standards set by wikimedia
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:54:56): yup thats right regent bustrias
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:54:57): how about regents?
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:55:13): regents sounds so cool
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:55:15): para naman tayong educational institution
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:55:16): ehehehe
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:55:20): arent we?
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:55:24): we are
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:55:39): were here to help educate :)
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:55:45): no...we are NOT an educational institution
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:55:46): parang trustees or directors ata ang prefer ng wiki foundation
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:56:11): i dont think it is a requirement na trustees or directors lang
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:56:15): educational institution = im not sure of the definition
Seav (01/06/2008 18:56:23): huwag na regents... parang pretensious
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:56:27): ehehe
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:56:28): i reject regents
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:56:29): hehheh
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:56:48): as I said, ok lang sa akin kahit anong name
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:56:51): ok regent eavillar, regents out
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:56:52): if we were a stock corporation, we HAVE to have a board of directors
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:57:11): sounds capitalist
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:57:15): hehe
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:57:17): so trustees then?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:57:18): ok na - trustees
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:57:25): TRUSTEES
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:57:27): \]ok lang
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:57:32): going once...
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:57:52): either directors or trustees
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:57:55): going twice...
Seav (01/06/2008 18:58:02): trustees
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 18:58:03): okay we go for trustees
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:58:05): trustees final!
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:58:06): whats next...
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:58:20): will the secretary take note of that
Bluemask (01/06/2008 18:58:37): who is the secretary?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:58:37): gusto mo maging secretary?
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:58:42): "trustees" is the final decision
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:58:50): i dont like the work :P
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:59:04): aw wala ba nag take ng notes?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 18:59:10): we need a secretary and a treasurer
Exec8 (01/06/2008 18:59:13): treasurer nga big work din
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:59:29): temporary secretary for online discussion
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:59:39): i vote for bustrias
jalavala (01/06/2008 18:59:57): any objections?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 18:59:59): ako ang nagrerecord
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:00:03): ayunb
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:00:04): teka muna
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:00:11): yung previous transcripts nakarecord na sa WP
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:00:50): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tambayan_Philippines/VM3
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:01:02): aira secretary pro tempore
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:01:08): hehe
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:01:18): i nominate aira to be secretary
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:01:25): seconded\
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:01:34): i reject
Bluemask (01/06/2008 19:01:36): thirded (??)
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:01:38): o ayan walang objections
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:01:45): aira secretary pro tempore
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:01:46): remember: ALL OFFICERS must be of legal age
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:01:50): minor pa ako
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:01:51): even if in acting capacity
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:01:57): remove pro tempore
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:01:58): because the SEC asks for this stuff in the GIA
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:02:00): pro tempore lang naman eh
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:02:01): GIS*
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:02:10): lets focus please
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:02:12): secretary general
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:02:24): sec-gen = president
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:02:36): parang ganun
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:02:41): napag-usapan na ba kung sinong pres
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:02:50): temporarily for the purpose of this online discussion, aira is the secretary
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:02:51): not yet
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:02:55): sec gen= chief administrative officer
Bluemask (01/06/2008 19:02:56): ok... aira as transcriber
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:03:04): transcriber
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:03:06): there
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:03:10): anymore objections?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:03:18): speech
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:03:23): i still object
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:03:23): speech daw
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:03:34): i stand by law provisions
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:03:41): or not transcriber, taga-copy-at-paste
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:03:49): bago ako umalis mamaya kailangan may iba nang magrecord maaga kasi tulog ko ngayon wala na ako mamayang eight
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:03:54): for the purpose of this online discussions
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:04:04): kaya advise ko palitan niyo yung preference sa YM
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:04:14): temporary lang naman, hindi naman siya yung nasa AoI
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:04:20): yup yup
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:04:38): para lang may marating ang online discussions, the law does not apply for now
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:05:57): wats next?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:06:08): i vote theat any laws on legal age be disregarded temporarily for the purpose of being able to record the discussion
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:06:31): lets focus on the topic
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:06:41): you want to disregard the civil code of the philippines?!
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:06:44): haha
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:06:46): anyway...
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:06:47): O_O
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:06:56): chat lang po ito let's continue on
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:07:05): in the spirit of common sense
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:07:10): this is a chat room
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:07:12): any other pledges/subscriptions?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:07:16): we have P11,000
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:07:17): no offence meant
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:08:07): question paano ang transaction niyan sa pledge
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:08:09): our discussions online are not bound by the civil code of the philippines
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:08:16): just in case we cannot raise 25,000.00 for now, could we settle for other kinds of account?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:08:33): to save paperwork, we should not run that route
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:08:36): Just updated the 'secret' one
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:08:45): it takes a lot of paperwork to move bank accounts
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:09:09): id like to vote that we push for 25k until june 7, 2008, then after which we should go to the next plan
Seav (01/06/2008 19:09:41): june 14
Seav (01/06/2008 19:09:51): let's give people time
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:09:51): june 14
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:09:58): let do like wikimedia fundraiser - but limited to actual users
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:10:06): when do we need to finish the by-laws?
Seav (01/06/2008 19:10:12): we're not really in a hurry, except for the august 3 deadline
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:10:25): let us set a deadline for the 25k
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:10:39): any suggeted deadline for the 25k target?
Seav (01/06/2008 19:10:44): we need to incorporate by august 3
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:10:46): the fundraiser can't be too public
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:10:56): eavilliar says 14
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:10:56): i concur with scorpion_prinz na dapat may chart tayo para sa goals natin
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:10:57): remember, we are technically doing an illegal activity
Seav (01/06/2008 19:10:58): that's the deadline for bentong's reservation with SEC
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:11:16): June 14 ang proposal ko sa Manila 4 sa Megamall
Seav (01/06/2008 19:11:45): this is not a fundraiser... we are soliciting pledges for the incorporation... the pledgers will be the incorporators
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:12:01): uhh...that shouldn't be
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:12:03): one of the disadvantages of the written law is that it creates an iron clad and is open to other interpritations
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:12:07): then i have to withdraw my pledge
Seav (01/06/2008 19:12:46): well... you can "give" your pledge, as if a christmas gift to one who is able to be an incorporator
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:12:47): id like to break the law and is very willing to go to jail for this
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:13:09): hehe
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:13:20): 15000 na ang pledges sana real amount na yan
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:13:27): 10000 nalang
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:13:36): i will get a good lawyer if necessary
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:14:01): i don't think it's a jail sentence
Seav (01/06/2008 19:14:14): hmmm... we forgot to ask ninogonzales to give a pledge
Seav (01/06/2008 19:14:15): hehehe
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:14:22): what do we need a lawyer for?
Sky Harbor (01/06/2008 19:14:31): the DSWD regulates all fundraisers, so they may, at their discretion, shut us down
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:14:35): we will be breaking the law
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:14:44): we will need a lawyer...
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:14:45): we don't have a fundraiser period
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:15:21): yup we dont have a fund raiser, anyone who is willing to pledge more?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:15:35): im adding more
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:15:40): I may add my pledge
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:15:53): see...
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:16:01): pushing ourselves isnt bad after all
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:16:23): we should see things in the light of commonsense
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:16:55): 16k
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:17:07): we still have until 14 and we now have 16 k
Seav (01/06/2008 19:17:56): off-topic: SUL is now available to anyone... you might want to consolidate you accounts now
Seav (01/06/2008 19:18:01): *your
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:18:26): it also logs you in in every project
Seav (01/06/2008 19:19:03): jalavala... which wiki are/were you active in?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:19:12): we r now 64% to our projected budget, 36% until june 14
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:19:31): i stoped being active for one year and starting to be active again
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:19:32): what is june14?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:19:42): june 14 to reach 25k goal
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:19:45): Saturday
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:19:46): aok
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:19:59): may posting na ako sa tambayan talk
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:20:23): how do we give the money?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:20:30): thats approx. 700 PHP per day before 14
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:20:53): perhaps we should elect the treasurer?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:21:11): i second the motion for the election of tresurer pro tempore
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:21:21): when will WMPH be incorporated
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:21:32): yeah we should
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:21:36): we do not have the by-laws yet
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:21:36): any objections on the election of a treasurer pro tempore?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:22:12): which came first? the bylaws or the informal discussions?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:22:18): this is an informal discussion
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:22:48): should we have the bylaws first before we could discuss informally?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:24:09): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gantt_chart
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:25:05): treasurer first
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:25:09): i agree
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:25:18): treasurer pro TEMPORE
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:25:22): yup
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:25:52): any objections on nominating the treasurer protempore?
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:26:06): he should have bank account preferably BDO, so i could transfer the money to him if necessary
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:26:10): i don't object
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:26:21): this would require a leap of faith and trust
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:26:26): I agree he should be bdo
Seav (01/06/2008 19:26:33): akira?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:26:37): im willing to deposit my pledge too
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:26:38): kasi ilalagay natin pera natin sa kanya
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:26:48): in good faith
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:26:48): yup, P25,000
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:26:54): i have no contest to akira
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:27:16): Akira? ok lang
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:27:17): though there is an offline vote from jojit for me
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:27:18): Sky Harbor, we trust in you
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:27:20): hehehehe
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:27:28): skyharbor, are you there
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:27:30): ?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:27:41): ok akira and skyharbor
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:27:47): im for akira
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:27:48): the same people
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:27:56): lol
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:27:57): ok
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:27:59): :D
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:28:11): anone els?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:28:16): anyone*
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:28:25): i vote for sky
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:28:47): whre is sky? did he log out?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:28:52): i dunno
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:28:57): no may be he's busy
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:29:03): he just did
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:29:15): he's now offline
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:29:16): too bad
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:29:23): i hope no one is offended by my agressiveness...
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:29:29): officially offline
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:29:32): i'm not offended
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:29:48): let's just inform him in Tambay
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:29:59): i agree
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:29:59): BRB
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:30:11): BRB-dinner time
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:30:23): malapit na rin akong maglaho
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:30:23): the by-laws?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:30:55): hmmm
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:31:04): yeah we should be voting now
Seav (01/06/2008 19:31:11): let's save the bylaws for a different date
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:31:15): yup
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:31:19): lets focus
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:31:19): agreed
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:31:19): maybe your right
Seav (01/06/2008 19:31:24): the by-laws is thornier than the AoI
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:31:26): maybe in the Manila 4 meetup
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:31:27): kc haba ang discussion
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:32:08): yung una nag suggest ako ng SEC expresslane para makaregister tayo kaagad
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:32:27): baka kc abutin pa natin mag 18 si skyharbor
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:32:32): yes i agree with jinjian
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:32:45): siguro kailangan na nating magreserb ng websayt
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:33:10): brb, im getting dehydrated
Seav (01/06/2008 19:33:40): website: saka na lang
Seav (01/06/2008 19:33:47): we can squat in meta for the meantime
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:34:30): so what's our agenda now
Seav (01/06/2008 19:35:04): finalize the incorporators
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:35:09): nabasa ba ninyo yung SEC expresslane?
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:35:13): by-laws?
Seav (01/06/2008 19:35:15): let's target 10 incorporators
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:35:24): howmany do we have right now?
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:35:45): 8
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:35:55): 2 more
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:35:58): any suggestions?
Seav (01/06/2008 19:36:10): i would like nino and thecoffee
Seav (01/06/2008 19:36:15): or alternativity
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:36:20): No, thank you.
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:36:53): have the agreed?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:36:55): hey jalavala what's your name in wikipedia?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:37:06): im cloudhand
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:37:09): ah ok
Bluemask (01/06/2008 19:37:16): ah ok.
Bluemask (01/06/2008 19:37:40): u contributed buddism articles at tl.wp
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:37:45): yup
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:37:58): i left off because i got kidnaped
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:38:03): :D
Seav (01/06/2008 19:38:05): bluemask?
Seav (01/06/2008 19:38:08): :)
Bluemask (01/06/2008 19:38:20): yap, seav?
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:38:25): now im free and back online
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:39:13): are you all contributors of tl.wp?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:39:35): i am
Bluemask (01/06/2008 19:39:50): @jinjan... ur username at wp?
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:40:01): JinJian
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:40:16): war.wp
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:40:20): i am (once upon a time :D)
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:41:13): & en.wikipedia
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:42:50): what's our next agenda?
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:43:24): im back
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:43:47): so as i was saying ano na dapat ang pinag-uusapan natin
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:44:00): incorporation and incorporators
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:44:01): i'll be offline by 8:15
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:44:38): when will the incorporation be?
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:45:08): perhaps the problem is the by-law
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:46:24): we have to submit it to ChapCom. even if we have the AoI, the Sec may shut us down if we have no by-laws
Seav (01/06/2008 19:46:57): the AoI can be approved first by WMF's ChapCom even without the Bylaws
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:47:04): could we agree on the generic bylaws?
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:47:15): technically we can't be shut down kung hindi pa tayo nabubuo hehe
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:47:56): yeah i agree
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:48:05): they cant shut us down :P
Seav (01/06/2008 19:48:14): anyway, I compared the AoI with that of Ayala Corporation and it looks ok
Seav (01/06/2008 19:48:15): hehehe
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:48:24): Based on my observations there are no more objections to the AoI so we can print it and have it signed by June 14 or 21.
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:48:33): no objections
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:48:37): june 14
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:48:51): i vote for june 14
Seav (01/06/2008 19:49:16): we need to finalize the final capital and the incorporators and the board of trustees and the treasurer
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:49:16): so ang naayos natin ngayon dito ay AOL, Banko, Preparasyon para sa Manila 4, at POSS
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:49:18): then what?
Seav (01/06/2008 19:49:39): note: the incorporators are only there to say that there is a corporation
Seav (01/06/2008 19:49:47): the board of trustees is different
Exec8 (01/06/2008 19:49:48): Its a great time to focus on the by laws effective today and iron and hammer this out for the next 10-12 days then
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:50:11): @bustrias, i agree
jinjian0604 (01/06/2008 19:50:18): i agree
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:50:21): ok i'll be gone now
felipe_aira (01/06/2008 19:50:22): bye
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:50:25): bye
jalavala (01/06/2008 19:50:27): ingats
