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Some sections of the Tampa article are a mess and need to be cleaned up and improved. Here are some of the things that need to be done:

  • Education section needs improvements:
    • the whole section on Education (Institutions of Higher Learning, High schools, and Middle schools) is in list form and should be moved to a separate article
    • the school section needs to be expanded
  • there are other sections of the article that are in list form and need to be converted into sentence format (prose)
  • The History of Tampa, Florida needs to be expanded along with pictures of Tampa in the early days and today
  • improve History section on its main article, kinda like Seattle's History section on it's main article with Founding, Major events, and Economic history

For help, go to Seattle or Ann Arbor to check out their articles or History sections. Seattle, Washington and Ann Arbor, Michigan are Featured articles, and we can do the same on Tampa, Florida's article as well.
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[edit] Skyline Photo

I have replaced the skyline photo, the last one was obviously photo-shopped, which I believe should not be used.

--Adilettante 04:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Web link to International Arts and Film Foundation

I have twice now removed Official Site this web link inserted by User:Stevenc317 immediately after this internal link: International Arts and Film Foundation. As the International Arts and Film Foundation article exists, and has the web link in it, I see no reason to to included it again in the Tampa article. We do not as a rule insert web links immediately after internal links. I do not intend to engage in an edit war with Stevenc317, but I think this does need to be discussed. -- Donald Albury 01:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada.

This proposal would allow for this article to be located at Tampa instead of Tampa, Florida, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 18:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Strong agreement with Will. I'm even biased in favor of Tampa, particularly since there are so few other cities (if any) with the name worldwide. However, I'm also a student of the Associated Press Style Book and Libel Manual, and of encyclopedic style. In each, "city only" nomenclature is generally only conferred on what writers call "world cities": cities whose influence is felt worldwide, such as London, Tokyo, Paris, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Moscow, Beijing, New Delhi, etc. Tampa simply does not meet the criteria to make it there, at least not yet. P.F. Bruns (talk) 15:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Most prior discussions are now archived

Since the discussion page size was over 50 KB long, it was wise to archived previous discussions. Links to previous discussions can be found at the "archive" template on the top section of this page. --Moreau36 00:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nicknames

Does anyone really call it "T-Town"? Can we have a citation for this? Gamaliel 17:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

A Google search of '"T-Town" Tampa' returned over 15000 results. My quick review of the sites shows that any city or town that starts with 'T' can be called "T-Town". Tampa has a fair share of people using this nickname. LtGen 04:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I've lived here for 25 years and never, ever heard anyone say "T-Town" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Morthanley (talk • contribs) 02:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC).


Seconded...no one referrs to it as t-town that I know, nor have I ever heard of it from others.

my friends and i call it ttown--21:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)~~


I have certain impolite nicknames for Orlando that I use among friends, but I wouldn't claim them to be official nicknames for that place.

Anyway, I've lived in Tampa all my life and have never heard "t-town" used before, either. It's now gone from the info box, retained in the main text. Zeng8r 17:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I've lived here for 10 years and have never heard "T-Town" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.130.5 (talk) 23:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I have heard Tampa be called T-Town, but it is VERY colloquial and probably doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Some bonafide nicknames for the city are "Cigar City" and "The Big Guava." Blaze33541 (talk) 04:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Some radio hosts, particularly on the top-40 Clear Channel affiliate, WFLZ 93.3 FM, will occasionally use "T-Town" on live remotes; the studio jocks rarely, if ever, use it. I have a friend who's a patrol officer in the Tampa Police Department, and he hears it used downtown and in the "Suitcase City" district (roughly from Fletcher Avenue to Sligh north-to-south; roughly from Florida to 22nd Street west-to-east). While I've lived here 35 years, I only heard it used regularly myself from about 1995 to 2002, and mostly at the University of South Florida. I agree that it's definitely a term that is no longer commonly used. Tampa Tribune columnist Steve Otto's "The Big Guava" nickname, and of course, "Cigar City," are far more prevalent. If you say you're from Cigar City, nearly everyone in the U.S. will know where you mean. Frankly, I think "T-Town" was a failed marketing attempt to align Tampa with Orlando (still commonly known as "O-Town," either because of or in spite of the band of the same name. P.F. Bruns (talk) 19:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


Can we get some references for all these new nicknames? "Cigar City" and "Big Guava" are very commonly used and accepted, but as a lifelong resident, etc., I've never heard of the recently added "Sunshine City" or "Juke Town".
As previously discussed, the only nicknames listed should be widely used ones, not something a small group of people just invented. I'll clean out that section in a couple days unless somebody comes up with sources. Zeng8r (talk) 16:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

+ Since no source(s) was (were) provided, I went ahead and removed the doubtful duo. Zeng8r (talk) 17:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tampa's flag

I just have to ask...why is there a Stealth Bomber in the fly of the Tampa city flag? - Aerobird 22:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Because you want to see it there... a better question would be, what exactly is the flag trying to say in the first place? It doesn't even display the official version of the seal--or the version that's on the city vehicles. I'm no vexillologist, but our flag is lousy. It would be terrific if someone with knowledge of the subject could explain its mysterious design. Thehappysmith 12:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The Seal on the flag is the "official" seal. I put official in quotes because there doesn't seem to be a standard seal, just a set of elements that always appear in slightly different form. The flag seen here has the version of the seal seen on most publications and on the city website, and the version that appears on firefighters badges and the badges of police officers ranked Corporal or higher. The versions that appear on city vehicles and city employee uniforms are simplifications. Occasionally a full-color version of the seal is found that has a slightly different ship and lettering design, but the basic elements are the same. The horribly-ugly flag itself is a mix of the US, Spanish, French, UK, and Italian flags, and the bars supposedly form an H for Hillsborough, an F for Florida, and a T (sideways) for Tampa. It's still better looking than St Pete's or Orlando's flags.Ohm 813 08:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Good stuff - I didn't realize that there are so many different versions. This info probably should be in the article somewhere, imo... Zeng8r 12:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Sulphur Springs Water Tower

In the Landmarks section, Sulphur Springs Water Tower is referred to as a "highly visible but somewhat mysterious landmark.".

Is there a reason for the term "mysterious" to be included without explanation? Following the link for the Sulphur Springs Water Tower yields a Wiki page that doesn't really clarify the term "mysterious" either; just curious as to the necessity of the adjective. Thanks! 03:10, 6 January 2007 EflatMinor2007 03:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Not that long ago most people didn't know what it is or where it came from, but the proximity to 275 meant almost everyone had seen it. It's a bit less mysterious since all the news generated when they purposed to tear it down, but before then I'd wager 90% of the city couldn't have even told you it was a water tower (myself included)
I mean does it look like a water tower to you? ;)
Even now that it's history is a bit more well known the way it became a landmark is still funny. It had sat there rotting for so many years, but the second someone purposed to tear it down everyone was like wohhhh we love that thing.
Personally I'd be for leaving the mysterious description on there just to pay homage to it's unique past. --Reyals 15:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm! I know I read about the water tower in the Tampa Tribune more than one time in the 1960s and/or 1970s, so I've known about it for a long time, and I've never lived in or around Tampa (although my first wife was from there). FWIW. -- Donald Albury 02:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tags

The tags I put reflect what was suggested by the to-do list to make it a better article like the featured articles so I am reverting it.--JEF 18:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

They're on the to-do list precisely to avoid cluttering up the article page with tags indicating what needs to be done. So instead of adding empty sections with expand tags and adding "convert to prose" tags to lists (some of which should remain as lists), Be Bold and work on creating/expandng the sections yourself, just beware of wiki-addiction... :-) - Aerobird 02:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

Should there be a religion section? Please vote and discuss.--JEF 14:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

We do not start off discussions of changes by voting. Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a democracy, which is policy, Wikipedia:Consensus, which is a quideline, and Wikipedia:Straw polls and Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion, which are still proposals, but reflect the feeling of most Wikipedians that polls (not votes, by the way), should only be used to determine whether consensus has been achieved on a subject. -- Donald Albury 00:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

A religion section for Tampa is incomplete without mentioning Tampa's non-Christian demographics, including a significant Jewish population.24.92.193.205 16:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Celebrities from Tampa?

--70.149.107.121 01:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Are there any celeberties from Tampa, list some. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.149.107.121 (talk) 01:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

I can tell you're from Florida. It's spelled "Celebrities." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.26.101.71 (talk) 20:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Excuse me, there is no need to resort to baseless insults. Off the top of my head, Hulk Hogan is from here.Blaze33541 06:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

How is it a baseless insult if there is a base (i.e., his misspelling of the word) from which an insult may arise? lol. Macho Man Randy Savage also lives here.

According to the talk page guidelines, there's no place for insults at all, baseless or otherwise. Also, if the original person asking the question had been from Florida, especially Tampa, he or she would likely know what celebrities live here, now, yes? Recommend we stay on topic here. Tampa is a virtual mecca for professional wrestlers, both those who grew up here (Hulk Hogan) and those who resettle here and nearby (Chris Jericho, Edge, Christian Cage, and more.

Actress Liz Vassey grew up here; Brittany Snow was born here; erstwhile American Idol pop-star Jessica Sierra also was born here. "Gone With The Wind" supporting actress Butterfly McQueen, however, is arguably the most prominent. P.F. Bruns (talk) 19:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music

ok i tried to put tampas music on there but someone deleted it. so can someone please at least mention it!!! its called Jook Muisc

I hope someone deletes it again, it's terrible and looks like original research --Morthanley 18:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
urbandictionary isnt a legit source --Morthanley 01:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I see it's back. What the hell does this mean: The genre of music was created in the early 2000s in East Tampa (a predominantly African American community, but the area is commonly referred to as West Tampa). They're distinct neighborhoods on opposite sides of the city. People don't refer to East Tampa as West Tampa. They refer to West Tampa as West Tampa. If I knew anything about hip hop I'd tried to fix it, but this section drags down the quality of the entire article. I'm going to go edit liberally. Thehappysmith 13:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of Tampa

170.148.92.42 19:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)The article states “though it is sometimes claimed to mean "sticks of fire" in the language of the Calusa”. The Calusa’s were indigenous to the SW FL area, not West Central FL. If Tampa DOES mean “sticks of fire”, I would think it would have been named by the people of the indigenous pre historic tribe, which I believe was the Timucuans.170.148.92.42 19:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)Dean Hanson

As is explained in the next paragraph in the article, the likely location of the original town of 'Tanpa' was on Charlotte Harbor, which was indeed in the Caloosa territory. The transfer of the name to the present day Tampa Bay was likely due to confusion by the Spanish when they returned much later to the west coast of Florida. Also, the Timucua territory did not extend to the Tampa Bay area. The Tocobaga were the dominent tribe around Tampa Bay at the time of Spanish contact. As essentially nothing is known of the languages of either the Caloosa or the Tocobaga, speculation as to the meaning of 'Tanpa' or 'Tampa' is futile. -- Donald Albury 01:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Another question: could this have been the name origin for the former Tampa Bay FireStix National Pro Fastpitch (softball) team? I haven't found anything conclusive, since the team's marketing materials have gotten a bit hard to come by with the team (and apparently the league's) demise. P.F. Bruns (talk) 19:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


Somebody keeps putting in an unsourced mention of "Great Lightning" as the definitive meaning of "Tampa". As the article mentions already, "lighting" is one possible meaning, but the entymology is far too murky to state that one theory is correct. Also, the name clearly predates the Seminoles, contrary to the last edit which attributed the name to that culture. Zeng8r (talk) 22:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map of tampa

I changed the old "map of tampa" to the new one because the old one was quite literally not recognizeable as Tampa. Where is downtown? Where is the bay? where is MacDill AFB or the peninsula it is located on? I can't tell where anything is nor do I even recognize the basic shape of the city limits of Tampa. That was not a map of Tampa at all. Maybe its not of Tampa. Maybe it about tampa but not a map. But whatever it is, it is not a map of tampa. WAS 4.250 18:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It just occurred to me that maybe it is color coded using colors I can't tell apart. I am red green color blind. If you are color coding it make sure the colors differ in light-dark scale as well - like dark green rather than light green so I can tell it from white and a purple lighter or darker than red or blue so I can tell them apart. WAS 4.250 18:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The map you keep putting up combines Pinellas and Hillsborough Counties, and shows Hillsborough County divided in some way that does not correspond to the city limits of Tampa. The other map shows the city and census-designated-place boundaries in Hillsborough County, with the City of Tampa in red. This same style of map is used in several other Florida city articles. I'm reverting you again, as the map you put up does not show the City of Tampa. -- Donald Albury 03:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I finally figured out the problem. Your map does not distinguish between land and water for either the boundaries of the county nor the boundaries of the city. No wonder I didn't recognize it. As for being useful, you are fooling yourself that this is useful to anyone for anything. I repeat : this is not a recognizeable map of Tampa. Ask anyone who knows the place. As for me, I'm outta here. I don't stay where I'm not wanted. WAS 4.250 03:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

No offense, but they both suck. Morthanley 07:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to agree with Mort. They're not of the best quality and not very useful either way. If you guys want, I can try to come up with something over the weekend. Anyone else want to try, feel free, and we can see what looks best on Monday. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 15:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The first map was produced the same way as Image:Map of Florida highlighting Miami.png, which has the advantage of showing the political boundaries of the cities, as well as their relative location in the county and in the state. These maps were produced by Bastique (talk · contribs). I suggest dropping him a line to see what can be done about showing shorelines in the maps. -- Donald Albury 13:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Map done. If you have any issues...please leave me a message. Bastiq▼e demandez 18:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
With respect, while your map does show the location of Tampa in Hillsborough County, it shows absolutely nothing else about the city, including, as mentioned, MacDill AFB and various other landmarks. I realize that this is something you have done on your own time, but I think that the lack of detail is the primary objection people have. I don't think I could do a whole lot better sourcing from the public domain; I'm just saying that the ma[p you have provided is definitely locational rather than navigational in nature. P.F. Bruns (talk) 19:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More places you can add

Check out List of Registered Historic Places in Hillsborough County, Florida. Some of the places are included in the article, some not. Wanted to let folks know, in case there's any that people think should be added. :) --Ebyabe 20:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Too many images

A lot of the recently added images seem unnecessary. For example three Davis Islands photos and a bunch of stadium and dome photos should be in their own respective articles, not in the Tampa article. Morthanley 22:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Tamp" Florida ??

The supercaption over the skyline photo says "Tamp" and I can't believe no one has noticed it before now. I'm sure it's not supposed to be missing that last A, right? Citizen P 06:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Of course it's not supposed to say that. Be bold! (I fixed it.) Thehappysmith 11:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:TampaSeal.jpg

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Could someone please edit BetacommandBot's boilerplates to reflect the fact that the word "media" is a plural in the English language? The first sentence in the last paragraph should be "If there 'are' other fair use media, ..." (minus my emphasis, of course).

In regard to what the bot is actually saying, I'm a bit curious: considering that Wikipedia is a 'reference work', how could the use of an image not be fair use? As I understand it under Title 17 of the United States Code, § 107 (the chapter on fair use):

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include— (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Wikipedia is certainly covered under (1), since it is a nonprofit educational work.

Since the work (in this case, a logotype) is a single piece that almost certainly is easier to display than to describe, and since it is the work of a municipality, and was not created for profit in the first place, it would seem to stand to reason that display of the logotype for the city for educational and reference purposes could only be fair use. So much for (2).

For (3): It's impossible to use only a piece of the logo. QED.

For (4): Nobody is likely to try to sell t-shirts with the Tampa logo on, and if they do, Wikipedia's use of the logo will affect the market not one whit.

Hm. Looks like I've got some formalizing of the fair use rationale to do. P.F. Bruns (talk) 06:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

...or I would, if it hadn't been wiped over a year ago. P.F. Bruns (talk) 07:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


Due to legal fears, wikipedia has been cracking down on the "fair use" rules lately. Lots of photos that were uploaded long ago did not have a formalized rationale and are being questioned. If it's really a case of fair use, it's not a big deal to add the rationale and solve the problem. Nobody saved this particular image in time, but nothing prevents an editor from uploading it again since it clearly falls under fair use. Zeng8r (talk) 23:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Items removed from list of attractions

I removed three red-linked items from the 'Attractions' section for the following reasons:

  • Florida Aquarium is already listed in the Zoos and Aquariums section (although with a dead external link).
  • Ben T Davis Beach strikes me as marginal in notability at best. Let's see a well-sourced article that passes scrutiny before adding that back in.
  • Spaghetti Factory is a smallish national chain (approx. 40 locations) with no WP article. We don't list restaurants as 'attractions' in our city articles. -- Donald Albury 09:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with your edit, but I have to question the rationale on the last one. Spaghetti Factory certainly doesn't qualify as an attraction (as it's not Tampa-based; last I knew, it was based in Dallas), but aren't there restaurants around the country that are of significant notability to merit inclusion as "attractions" in city articles? I'm thinking Columbia (the original in Ybor City, not the chain locations elsewhere in Florida) might qualify, particularly as it's been around for more than 100 years. See, for another example, Tony Packo's Cafe in the article for Toledo, Ohio. (I have no connection to either restaurant, aside from being a past Tony Packo's customer.) -- JeffBillman (talk) 23:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


Very few restaurants should be listed as an attraction. The Columbia definitely is one of them due to its long and important history. (Speaking of La Columbia, it DESPERATELY needs an article, imo.) The only way a chain resturant should be listed as an attraction is if it's the original location or if something notable happened there, and even then it'd be a case-by-case decision. Just my 2 cents... Zeng8r (talk) 00:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] location relative to other cities

citing the coordinates is helpful, but it would also be helpful to add some info on location relative to other well known cities in florida, and/or perhaps how far down the peninsula it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.214.27 (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Tampa Snow.jpg

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The correct usage for the first sentence in your last paragraph is "If there are other fair use media..." P.F. Bruns (talk) 19:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] history section 21st century?

This section seems too small. Is that airplane crash the only event in tampa since 2000? Would not the superbowl, stanley cups, elections controversies in city council, actions notable figures, election&re-election of Pam Ioria, the hub of activity around MacDill since 9/11 and the names listed on the memorial at Joe Chillura courthouse should also be included?Bayspatriot (talk) 17:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


Sounds like you just made yourself a to-list for the new year!
Seriously, the entire history section from the early 1900s to the current day needs extensive additions and expansions. Several users were working on this article last fall, but it's in a bit of a lull right now. You're more than welcome to get things moving again. Zeng8r (talk) 01:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jook and Tampa Tony

A quick Google search reveals that Tampa Tony enjoys some notability, along with the phenomenon of Jook music (or Jook). However, I'm not sure where to begin on that, being a total noob to the genre. Any takers? -- JeffBillman (talk) 03:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Google hits are more or less useless for establishing notability for inclusion in Wikipedia. Please read WP:MUSIC. If you think an article about Tampa Tony can meet the criteria in that guideline, then feel free to create the article. However, any reader who does not agree that he is notable enough can nominate the article for deletion, and articles about marginal musicians and bands are deleted from Wikipedia on a regular basis. -- Donald Albury 15:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Honesty, friend, I have no idea. An anonymous editor had written the edit that I moved to the Music section of this article. I actually was about to revert the edit when I thought, "Hey, there may be some notability here..." It's not that Google establishes notability, but in this case it suggested to me that notability could be established. Bottom line, though, is that it must be established by someone more knowledgeable than I am. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, sorry if I came across too hard. You got one of my semi-canned responses. I just see so many attempts to insert non-notable musicians and groups into Wikipedia that my response has become more or less automatic. -- Donald Albury 00:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


I dunno - I'm a native and listen to hip-hop but I've never heard of this guy. Also, I couldn't find any music reviews mentioning "Tampa Tony" in the Trib, Times, or Creative Loafing. Not notable for a separate article, imo, and the mention in this entry should probably be deleted as spam. Zeng8r (talk) 15:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I've also seen references to jook music based in Santa Monica, California. There's nothing verifiable that I've seen that specifies the origin of jook in Tampa. P.F. Bruns (talk) 07:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] recent (?) edits

This article has been chopped up pretty good since the last time I looked it over, including the disappearance and/or replacement of many photos and all of the history section after 1856(!).

Is there a grand scheme in the works here or what??? Zeng8r (talk) 03:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


I restored the history section. While it could be improved with a little condensing, cutting it off at some random date isn't a good idea, imo. Zeng8r (talk) 03:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)