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[edit] List indefinite?

I think its better to stick to a top ten rank of star instead of an exhaustive list which is going nowehere. At present, most of the actors listed in the article like Jeeva, Jivanthiran,... are not notable in box office! Anwar saadat 14:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Anwar, I don't think it is a good idea, we need to have all prominent actors on the list, may be 25-30 would do. For Top 10 how would we rate them, fans will come and change it often. I hope you had a great experience with fighting vandals of Ajith article, i fear fans/vandals will start a similar attacks on this article too and baby sitting will be difficult. --M.arunprasad 04:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

LOL, point taken! Anwar saadat 11:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Average annual film output

This data was derived by dividing the total releases in each decade by 10. See tamilcinema.com for online chronological database of Tamil films. Anwar saadat 22:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Kollywood is only number 3. CBFC has stats till end of 2003. Amitabh Bachan during his speech at Chiranjeevi's Padma Bhushan celebration (at Gachibowli stadium, Hyderabad) acknowledged Tollywood as producing more films than Bollywood. CBFC's latest data is likely to reflect this. Regardless, based on latest available CBFC data Kollywood is #3 and not #2.

Please cite your source. Send the links to whatever article you got this piece of data from. Amitabh Bhachchan, btw, is no authority on Tamil or Telugu movies. I am not claiming that either is #2, just that your claim is empty. - Cribananda 07:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and btw, regarding the CBFC link you have provided, that is only for 2003. That doesn't make the Telugu film industry bigger. Secondly, the number of films released is only one measure of how 'big an industry is. How about the the total amount grossed? - Cribananda 07:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

1) Amitabh Bachan being who he is (actor & film production house) would know what he is talking about. The speech was aired on a couple of regional channels. So my claim is far from being empty. I cant be bothered looking for an article written by someone whos opinion you value, just to satisfy you. If youre interested, you may contact ETV/TV9/SUNTV. Alternatively, wait for CBFC to release 2004 & 2005 data (you seem willing to trust them).

2)Amount grossed isnt an objective indicator as regional variances in various taxes have been known to exist. More importantly, it is impossible to evaluate the exact impact 'black ticketing' has, on amount grossed. Non-'multiplex' theatres (which still form the majority) encourage black ticketing. (next time you go to a 'cheri' theatre maybe rupini/rahini/rohini in koyambedu for thalaivars padam in the first couple of weeks, or to saptagiri at rtc x roads for a megastar movie, ask the watchman if he has tickets. i can assure you he will). Considering entertainment tax paid, is the basis for arriving at amount grossed, surplus money on account of black ticketing will not be reflected in the amount grossed. if you can arrive at actuals, as opposed to guestimates, i will accept your view. till such time tollywood is bigger than kollywood.

tertiary issue : tollywood has the worlds largest film studio (ramoji film city) in terms of acerage). several 'kollywood' movies are shot there (thalaivars 'sivaji: the boss' was shot partially in r.f.c).

maybe a discuission on what 'kollywood' and 'tollywood' mean is required. if a movie is substantially made in a 'tollywood' studio would it still be a 'kollywood' movie ? is language the only determinant ? the actual number of films shot in either territories would ofcourse be hard/impossible to determine.

i suppose number of films isnt such a bad indicator of size after all :)

[edit] Kollywood is not larger than Tollywood

Tamil films were produced since World War 1. When was the first Telugu film released?

- whats the relevence to the size of an industry ?

Superstardom is more entrenched and well established in Tollywood and the political nexus goes back to 1940s

- again, whats the relevence to size of an industry ?

Actresses are paid lesser in Kollywood than Tollywood bcoz of the omnipresent superstardom culture in Kollywood.

- once again, whats the relevence to the size of the industry ?

Almost all technical skills, hi-tech facilities and print processing for Tollywood are present in Kollywood only

- nonsense. KRRISH used Prasad EFX/VFX. considering its the most 'hi-tech' of Indian Films to date, Tollywood is clearly equipped with 'hi-tech facilities'. FWIW, Prasad EFX/VFX is part of Prasad Labs - very much part of Tollywood. visit www.efxmagic.com you will see for yourself. Next time you make a wild allegation, be prepared to back it up.

[edit] SPAM?

Has someone been spamming the 'see also' and 'external links' section.--Sshankar 13:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] actor salaries

The actor salaries section makes wild guesses and can no way be backed up by authentic sources. Even if one has to make a wild guess, including madhavan in the superstar list is ridiculous! Everyone from TN knows that he has never been in that club. While Rajni and kamal are sure to get more than 45 million rupees, it cannot be said so about other actors. Opening in 200 screens is also not always true. For instance, for ajith whose recent pictures have not done well, this may not be the case. Regarding Jothika's salary, it can be 40 lakh but certainly not 40 million!! same is the case for trisha and others. Trisha is rumoured to get little below 10 million in tollywood but in kollywood the figures are far less. Shriya and pooja cannot be thought of as superstar heroines who never had a big hit movie. Also, the wild statement that the stars have a political clout is also disputable. Only in 1996, some instances could be drawn when rajni spoke something. But, even his voice did not have effect in the subsequent elections. Before making statements in a widely read encyclopedia like wikipedia, one should try to be objective and authentic--Ravishankar 16:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sections needed

This article needs to be divided in sections after a brief lead section. Hoverfish 13:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup needed

This article needs a little cleanup. Some suggestions:

The intro section is too long, most of it could be moved below the Table of Contents into existing or new sections,
The statistical information is good, but it should be properly referenced, and
The External links section is too long.

Otherwise, very good and informative article! -kotra 01:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible redundant photograph in article

The photograph of Vijayakanth is quite unnecessary for the article and I strongly feel can be taken down. There is no reference to him in the article etc. The old photographs of MGR and Sivaji are fine as they were huge and defining/influential actors in the history of Tamil cinema. Perhaps a photograph of Rajinikanth and Kamal Haasan together, and a photograph of exceptional more recent actors (not just one actor but a few actors together) could instead be put up in replacement of the Vijayakanth photo. AppleJuggler 03:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Unfortunately, the external links on the article have become a spamhole. Per the recommendations on that page, I am removing all of the links. For websites to be relinked, they will need to first be proposed here with evidence of how they pass the external link guidelines. Please keep in mind that commercial links and links that violate copyright will not be tolerated. Relevant guidelins: External links, What Wikipedia is not, and Spam. Please discuss link additions in this section of the talk page. Nposs 18:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

There appear to be two major websites that are worth linking. Both have specific sections devoted to Tamil films. Links should be directly related to the content of articles so I will relink these two websites - but only to the sections of the websites that are specifically about Tamil films. In particular, both feature news, reviews, images, and other information that appear to be original to the sources. Links to be readded: http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/ and http://tamil. galatta.com/. Nposs 18:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Superstar Club

Someone keeps adding Vikram to this club. Though he is giving back to back blockbusters, he does not have exclusive fanclubs that literally fight for territory. Also, his films take a good opening only when he combines with big banners. Look what happened to Majaa. So I have removed his entry from this club.Anwar 14:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should rename to Tamil film industry

Let us get rid of the abominable name Kollywood. It should properly called Tamil film industry. The word Kollywood should redirect here, or better yet to a disambiguation page, as there are film industries in other places which are also called Kollywood (Nepal).--Sivaraj 12:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Tamil film industry should be the formal name and thats what the article should be called. Since no one object Sivaraj's view I will move the page to the relevant place. I hope there are no specific concerns. Cheers ώiki Ѕαи Яоzε ^†αLҝ 12:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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