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[edit] Tamil Nadu Article...beginnings
The accurate name for the IT Park mentioned in "Software" section should be International Tech Park, Chennai or ITPC for short.
KittynMeow 10:52, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that sections 11 - 16 are replicated and are actually sections 5 - 10. I guess its been there for quite some time. Do we remove it or is it done purposefully. I was also thinking a section on South Indian cusine could be added. Yogi (talk) 9 July 2005 07:06 (UTC)
Could use a infobox or a taxobox instead of the table to present the facts. Makes it look neat. Yogi (talk) 8 July 2005 12:15 (UTC)
Reference to Marina being the second longest beach is almost certainly apocryphal. Should be removed.
--Ramesh 05:35, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
BV - "tamil nadu" in tamil is written wrongly. Please change it accordingly.
Kishore, Is it not Vijayanagar empire?
- -- Sundar 06:00, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks Sundar for pointing out the error.
- --Kishore 09:26, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I've just added the Tamil script but I've found both "தமிழ் நாடு" and "தமிழ்நாடு" without the space - can somebody tell me a bit about this? — Hippietrail 14:07, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- "தமிழ்" and "நாடு" are two distinct words meaning "Tamil" (adj.) and "country" respectively, but they are occasionally written together (compare compound adjectives and nouns in, say, Sanskrit and German). Since the option with a space is much more common, I'd recommend leaving the article the way it is. Ambarish | Talk 19:25, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
--Ramesh 05:35, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This wiki looks lot like a text book stuff. Any attempts to rewrite? Should I start a /Temp? - RC 20:38, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
Trading with the Romans in the 14th - 16th Centuries? I suspect the reference is supposed to be to one or more of the European powers, but would need someone actually familar with it to fix it. I came across it as part of a project to disambiguate the links for Romans, but this information is at a minimum in need of an explanation of what the people in the area meant when referring to Romans and at most a correction. I am deleting the link, but leaving the text intact. --165.247.168.157 06:22, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Is the reference to Panchamukha Anjaneya temple in Tiruvallur (tourism.. right in the end) really necessary here while more important temples being left out? I think it should find a place in Tiruvallur page or Hanuman page, and not here. -srini 16:18, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
"...The British fought with the various European powers, notably the French at Vandavasi (Wandiwash) in 1760, and the Dutch at Tharangambadi (Tranquebar), driving the Dutch away entirely, and reducing the Fre..." Tharangambadi a Dutch colony? Danish perhaps?
[edit] cleaned up English in Economy section, but...
I do think it sounds very clunky in general. It doesn't flow smoothly and probably could do with a 70% rewrite, although i doubt anybody would like to go through that. It will probably have to be achieved through aggressive step-by-step rewording and editing.
[edit] Economy Section changes
Following changes made in economy section...
Tamil Nadu is the fifth largest economy currently in India and no longer the third largest. Changed the wording from 'strongest' to 'largest'. Also the total FDI approved is cumulative over the period 1991-2002. Note the word approved. In the period 1991-2002 actual FDI inflow was less than 50% approved for all of India. Tamil Nadu probably fared much better than most states in this account but someone needs to find out the data. BTW is Tamil Nadu the second most industrialized state? What about Gujarat/Maharashtra being the top two states?
- Maharashtra is the first. Tamil Nadu is the second after it. You can look up the TN Govt website (and maybe Chennai Corporation) for some facts. - Ram
- I concur with Ram, I remember reading in an Indian newspaper that Maharasthra had 23,000 rupees SGDP per capita, and Tamil Nadu 22,000, Gujarat had 19,000 as of this year. I've added a reference to the Nokia, Flextronics and BMW plants in the Industry section. I've also renamed the "Industry" section to "Industry & Manufacturing" to be more specific. - JaffnaBoy
- The article needs to be cleaned up more. Some sections are more biased towards Madras. It has to be cleaned up and then made into a Featured article, like the one in Tamil Wikipedia - Ram
- I modified the wording of my additions so that they are more "subdued"/objective. Thanks for the tip Ram. - JaffnaBoy (Oct 13,2005)
Someone has deleted the section stating Tamil civilization is one of the world's oldest, etc. from the introduction section. The full extent of the Chola empire (including coastal burma, cambodia and thailand) has been erased. These may be maliscious attacks as they haven't explained themselves in here. Perhaps someone can edit that back in or rewind. -Kumar Oct.2005
[edit] Section related to Politics
For some reason, people insist on expanding this to show how the pre-independence part evolved. I spent some time trying to clean this up. Particularly, one person, Saktivel has been responsible for this. I cannot get through to him. Someone has to point it out that this is not a blog and he should not put out his POV here. This is too detailed for something here. People need to look at things written in other states to see what should be written here.
[edit] Reply to Ram
Hi Ram, I'm addressing you through this talk page as you seem to have not registered as an user. You might want to consider registering yourself by simply entering an username and a password at Special:Userlogin.
Thanks for appreciating my edits to Chennai. Bulk of the content came from User:Brhaspati followed by an initiative from User:Nichalp to bring it up to FA status. I only helped these people.
I agree that Tamil Nadu (the article) is in a mess right now. Will try to do some cleanup. But, I don't have much time to spend here to bring it up to FA status. If other people also chime in, it might be possible.
-- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I've made a minor removal of a couple sentences from the intro which covered the history of other Indian states. This article was far too long, and rambling (especially the history section). Some unnecessary phrases here and there should be removed.
-- Chola 6 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Seal of Tamil Nadu
The Seal of Tamil Nadu is in fact, should be mentioned the seal of the Tamil Nadu Government. I tried to edit it, but couldnt find the phrase in the info box. And historically, the tower represented on the seal is the temple tower in Srivilliputhur, the birth place of Andal.
[edit] USD
Hi, I have disambiguated use of $ with the suffix of USD (United States Dollar), as per the style guide. However, I am wondering why we include US dollar amounts at all, given that the english wikipedia is used by more than just Americans, and further, that India generally implies, by Wikipedia tradition, use of British terms and spelling. Should we remove the "translation" of currency amounts into other currencies or perhaps switch to/add mention of £Stirling amounts instead? --Improv 13:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- Use Rs only. Apart form anything else, you get into such unnecessary questions as what exchange rate to use. Imc 19:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Need to clean up the History
Someone needs to clean up the history section in Tamil Nadu. It has to much micro-history. No one wishes to see subsections with one line in them. Can someone address this please?
[edit] Recorded History
The first sentence in the History section says:
- "Tamil Nadu's recorded history dates back about 6000 years..."
I believe this is an innaccurate statement. Tamil Nadu does not have a recorded history going back 6000 years. The earliest 'recorded history is not older than the fifth century C.E. What we think as history in the types of the Sangam legends are just that - legends. It is sad that we Tamils suffer from this habit of pre-assuming our greatness rather than objectively documenting our history. We ARE a gret people, but that doesnot mean we have to have had the oldest civilisation.
parthi 19:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tenkasi - a city?
- It is absoultely ludicrous to include Tenkasi in the league with cities viz, Chennai, Madurai, Covai, Tirchy, Salem and Nellai. First a contributor should know, it is an article to be used all over the world and not the area to satisy oneself by entering irrelevent points into the article. Such type of erronous informations may strictly be prohibited. Many towns are waiting to join the elite club in the city grade viz, Tirupur, Tuticorin, Nagarcoil, Thanjavur, Karur etc. Tenkasi is still long way to go.
I have loads of high quality images of chennai, coimbatore, madurai and pondicherry, please let me know how to upload the relevant images in this page
Thanks Arun
[edit] Cities??
Since when did Avadi and Ambattur become cities? :) They are both suburbs of chennai and it is highly misleading to have these listed in the same league as Chennai, Coimbatore etc. I don't know why/how the Category - Tamil Nadu lists these two, but I think they should be removed. --Madhu 20:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nomination for India's selected article
I would like to have your unison voice to include Tamil nadu into Portal India's selected article. saravan_p 9:30 pm 14April 06
[edit] History of Tamil Nadu
I have crearted a sub article History of Tamil Nadu and edited and ondenced the history section of this article. - Parthi (Venu62) 22:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Comment from a reader: I find the history part not neutral, in particular, anti-British. It skips the three centuries of British rules, merely listing a few names of those who opposed British rule. I was hoping to learn about Tamil Nadu under British rule, and I was disappointed. I didn't edit anything, because I don't know enough, but I hope someone else will make a neutral edit of this period of history. 19 Jan 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.12.10 (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] M.S. Udhayamoorthy
Tamil_Nadu#Arts has someone named M.S. Udayamoorthy which has been there for many months. Who is he ? Google gives 21 hits, most of which has the same entry as in the article. Tintin (talk) 05:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know about him. But, IMO, the whole section of "notable people" should be done away with as it's difficult to draw the line. If there's consensus, the list can be removed or moved to List of people from Tamil Nadu. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- http://www.makkalsakthi.org/ Doctor Bruno 22:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unbalanced Article
Although, the article is long and detail, it does not provide a balanced view about Tamil Nadu. The economy section can be shorted and details can be transferred to a separate article: Tamil nadu economy. I agree with Sundar, that Famous Tamilians of Modern era does not provide much information about the topic under the discussion, and just a link in the See also section or people section should be sufficient.
Social ills such as inequality, poverty, “gated communities”, slums, lack of equal treatment for women, killing of female children, cast system etc are glossed over or not mention at all.
This seems like an article written by a person for some sort of ego boost. --Natkeeran 05:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Natkeeran, this article is in a bad condition right now. May be someone should take it up. Feel free to improve it. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Notable people
I feel that this section needs to removed from the article.
- Such a list is inherently subjective because we'd not able to draw a line on the N people whose names can be here.
- This gives room for a lot of fancruft.
- The same logic that holds against a trivia section - if someone is notable and RELEVANT enough to be mentioned in this article, then there would be some context in which he can be mentioned as part of the prose; there's no need for a separate list at the end.
- If at all one wants to have a list, let there be a separate list elsewhere and not in this list. Ideally, even a separate list article needs to be based on a verifiable attribute. For example, List of Chief Ministers of Tamil Nadu, List of Speakers of Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly, List of Vice-Chancellors of Universities in Tamil Nadu, List of Gnanpith award winners from Tamil Nadu, List of Indian Hockey team members from Tamil Nadu etc.,
If no one comes up with a convincing argument as to why this list should not be removed until monday, I'll remove that. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 13:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citation for Tolerant state
I think if some one can dig up the stats and compare the religiuos riots % in various states and then compare the incidence of rape, that can serve as a citation for the stanza The mutual interaction of various philosophies, schools of thought, and religious ideologies in the state has made it one of the most tolerant and universalistic states. Women enjoy a high level of respect and protection. When we are not able to give this proof, such a sentence may not satisfy WP:V Doctor Bruno 13:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
The statement "but by and large Tamil Nadu has the reputation of being more xenophobic than other states in India." is unwarranted and unfounded. Is there any evidence to suggest this, and if not, this is highly subjective. I recommend that this statement is removed.- Shankar.
[edit] Tirupur
Tirupur is not a corporation and also its not a large city.
- I heard that they have proposed it to be changed into a corporation. See Point No 92 in the Tamil Nadu Budget 2006 - 2007 Doctor Bruno 09:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Let us add Tirupur after it become a corporation - A S Prakash
[edit] Changes to "Description" section
I have removed the information regarding the "kaveri issue" between TN and karnataka given under this section, which is completely irrelevant at this place. Also the "description" section is not describing the things properly, it could be expanded in a much better informative way Karthikc123 10:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)karthik
[edit] Mettur Dam
Nothing is been added in this page about MetturDam... One of the industrial town in Salem district in tamilnadu...
[edit] FAC
Is there any one ready to cooperate and make this a FA Doctor Bruno 22:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm willing to spend the time to do a copyedit in preparation for a peer review. - Parthi talk/contribs 00:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article not stable
The quality of the article is swinging back and forward. Recent changes by User:Asprakash, where he/she removing well written sections, and other changes such as putting back alot of data and tables has decreased the quality. I think there may be an edit war brewing towards this article. --Natkeeran 16:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Asprakash, I have reverted your changes. Please discuss your changes here. Please explain why you had blank out the education section and replace it with a list. Please add an edit summary so that others can understand what you were trying to do. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 18:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
where is tamil script
[edit] Room for substantial improvement in the English used in this article
Job well done on this article so far. The article is divided into neat sections, and contains good photographs (love the ones on the wind turbines and reservoir). However, work is required on diction, grammar and formatting. I urge those working on this article to look into these aspects so that this article can meet the conditions suitable for nomination to FA status (will do my part too when time allows). AppleJuggler 03:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Huh
"While this has been the motto of the Dravidian parties, they have constantly indulged in 'Brahmin Bashing' and even to the point where the current chief minister M Karunanidhi had once stated that his aim was to make the upper caste people wash the toilets of the so called Backward Classes. The anti Brahmin sentment has led to large scale migration of Tamil Brahmins to other parts of India..." Is this really supposed to be in this article???
- Oops, I forgot to include my signature in the above comment. --Madhu 05:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Premier educational institutions?
When did Crescent engineering college and VIT become premier education institutions of the state, to be spoken of in the same breath as IITM, and Presidency?
[edit] The Demographics section
The text in the Demographics section of the article seems to have been copied from here. Of course, the reverse is also possible, but it certainly does not look like it. Shouldn't we be doing something about it?--Vaishu2 03:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
There is big vandalism going on at the minute in politics and literature sections. Someone from Bangalore with the IP address 60.254.76.15 is being a vandal. Article needs a lot of cleaning up from this person's xenophobia.
[edit] National /Official / Classical language
Tamil is of course the official language in Tamil nadu. "It has achieved classical language status" sounds like a competitive feat "achieved". I have changed this into "it is one of the two classical languages of India". Tamil is not an official language of India (Hindi is the official language, and english is an associate official language. Tamil is one of the 22 "national" languages of India as per the Indian Constitution. The logic is, no language of India is "less national" or "more national" than any other. Refer: http://india.gov.in/knowindia/india_at_a_glance.php I have made the changes, if anyone have alternative thoughts, please let me know.
There are two different versions for Tamil Nadu article on wikipedia, one you get when "Tamil Nadu" is typed, and one when "Tamil nadu" is typed for searching. Why is it so, and can the contributors do something about it? "Tamil Nadu" version has a lot of vandalism in Politics and Literature section.
Your interpretation of the Constitution is incorrect. The federal government of India located in Delhi is called the "Union". Although the general use of the world "Union" would have you believe it refers to the entire country, it is ONLY in reference to the federal government. The language the federal government (located in Delhi, a Hindi-speaking territory) is Hindi (and English). It does not make Hindi the official language of India - read it again. Hindi is the official language of the UNION, along with English. Union =/= The Republic of India, Union = Federal Government in Delhi. All the languages in Schedule 8 of the Constitution are equally Official. Just to add, I am Tamil but not anti-Hindi, as a matter of fact, I think Hindi should be made at least the Link Language of some sort... but my opinion has no relevance here, just trying to show I'm not being biased in my interpretation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.71.146 (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Infobox image
Map in the infobox is not visible. Probably we might want to check the resolution or something. I don't have a clear understanding of how to fix this, but an experienced editor might be able to help. Gnanapiti 04:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Indigenous religions table
I found these ratios from the TN government web site after some rounadabout calculations on separate data about languages and religions.
| Tamil | Other languages | Total | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Hindu | 78% | 10% | 88% |
| Christian | 4% | 1% | 5% |
| Muslim | 3% | 2% | 5% |
| Other religions | 1% | 1% | 2% |
| Total | 86% | 14% | 100% |
^ mainly Telugu
^ mainly Malayalam
^ mainly Urdu
Anwar 07:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Demographics
The whole section is directly lifted from Frontline. Each word is a direct copy paste from that article. The whole section should be re-written. Gnanapiti 19:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tamil media - Newspapers, TV News channels etc..
== Tamil Nadu is said 181 times! sorry i just thought that would be an interesting fact!
Should this article have a paragraph condensing the current state of media affairs in TN? How about the influence of newspapers and the trend towards TV news channels and link them to articles on Dinamalar, Sun TV etc? Or is there another article that is already there? - RC 04:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject Dravidian civilizations
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[edit] Tidel Park
Why is Tidel park being tauted as India's largest park?? While I dont have the figures, isnt ITPL (Bangalore) larger than Tidel? 122.167.80.9 (talk) Vikram. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.80.9 (talk) 20:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Population 2050
I see projections, for the whole of India until 2050, all over the Web (but without statewise breakup). Where can I get population estimates for Tamil Nadu and Kerala in 2050?Anwar (talk) 12:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sections and Notes
[edit] Politics
This section is heavy on history, and short on contemporary politics.
[edit] Economics
Economic Section has to be reduced, I will do so if no one objects.
[edit] Culture
Incomplete, misses some important elements.
[edit] Order
1 History 2 Geography and climate 11 Fauna and Flora 11.1 Fauna 11.2 Flora 3 Governance and administration 4 Politics 4.1 Pre Indpendece 4.2 Dravidan Parties 5 Demographics and human rights 6 Education and social development 9 Economy 9.1 Macro-economic trend 9.2 Agriculture 9.3 Water Resources 9.4 Livestock, poultry and fisheries 9.5 Industry 10 Transportation 7 Culture 7.1 Language and Literature 7.2 Music 7.3 Arts and dance 7.4 Film industry 7.5 Cuisine 8 Festivals 12 Tourism 13 See also 14 References 15 External links
--Natkeeran (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Transgender welfare board
This website claims that the transgender welfare board in TN is believed to be the first in the country and the world. anyone has any comment or opinion about it. I am thinking of adding that info in the article. Docku (talk) 21:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
