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[edit] Re: Fanfare Ciocărlia

Hi! I'm really sorry for the revert, I'm a native Romanian speaker and I thought they have the usual name of the bird skylark in Romanian. I saw only the spelling from the official website, and if you say that they apply the same label on their albums, then this spelling should be used also in Wikipedia. All the best, Desiphral 18:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi-- no problem. I think their name may actually be incorrect Romanian, but it is what it is. Henry Ernst, a German, actually came up with the name. According to this account (pdf), he did intend the meaning to be "lark's song," but he could well have gotten the spelling wrong. Nevertheless, this is how the band consistently spells it. Since you're a native Romanian speaker, would you mind taking a look at the entry? The sources for the spelling of the names of the band's members are inconsistent with respect to the diacritical marks. What's there now is my best guess. -- Takwish 19:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I made some corrections of the members' names according to the Romanian spelling. The change from "â" to "ă" has no grammatical meaning in Romanian in this context, it looks like a simple spelling error. Desiphral 15:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, thanks! -- Takwish 16:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reiki

OK, thanks for pointing that out. I have updated the page accordingly. Aquirata 21:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] notes to Fanfare Ciocarlia

I am Romanian, however not an expert in the matters discussed here. Take this with a grain of salt.

  • The correct spelling of the word for "skylark" is indeed "ciocârlie", also the proper Romanian spelling would be "Fanfara Ciocârlia" (not Fanfare). However, I believe the website/CD covers' spelling (although incorrect) should be the preffered choice, although misspellings could come from Ernst not speaking Romanian.
  • The band began as a loose assemblage of part-time musicians playing at local weddings and baptisms is slightly inexact. Zece Prajini (like Clejani in Muntenia, and many other villages) is a "lăutari" village, that is most or all of it's inhabitants earn their living as musicians. Lăutari (from lăută lute), meaning "musicians", is the name of one of the Roma clans in Romania, functioning as a guild; traditionally, they don't (and can't) read musical scores, their craft (together with their instruments) being passed from father to son. They find employment in neighbouring villages, at weddings or other local events, the size of the band depending on the customer for each particular contract.
  • Ciocârlia being the Romanian word for the song of the skylark - for the lark, not the song. The choice of name is more likely related to a celebrated movement in George Enescu's "First Romanian Rhapsody" named Ciocârlia - a string based melody, quite inapropriate for a brass band, likely selected by Ernst for being already related to Romanian music by the foreign public. Listen [1].
  • With historical roots in German wind bands and the brass bands of the Ottoman Turkish military - To my knowledge, the influence in Bucovina (where Zece Prajini is located) is Austrian rather than German (the area has been under Austrian ocupation in the XIXth century). This influence consists mainly in the use of brass instruments, brought to the area by Austrian military bands. Brass instruments are only used by contryside musicians of the Balkans in areas formerly under Austrian (not Ottoman) ocupation (e.g. Croatia vs Bulgaria). The area of Zece Prajini was never under Ottoman ocupation, but Turkish musical influences are seen all around the Balkans.

Some trivia:

  • There is another band from Zece Prajini: [2]
  • Lăutareşte i.e. "like a lăutar" is a rather common expression meaning "like a craftsman", or even "unprofessionally"; there is a wide perception that lăutari DON'T use scores (as opposed to "cult" musicians). Re using no sheet music etc. - they're supposed not to. However, some Roma of this clan do attend university musical courses, the most achieved being Ion Voicu.
  • "Specialized" villages were not uncommon in Romania, and not only for Roma - I know of one instance of candle-makers' village.
  • "Ah ya Bibi" - I have a distinct memory of a song in Arabic, quite popular 25-30 years ago and very reminiscent of this one. The name of that song was "Ya habibi" ("I love you" in Arabic). It is very common for lăutari to borrow and adapt fashionable songs - they are making a living out of playing music, and adapt to the audience. Don't be too certain that what you listen on the CD is actual Roma music, they might just play what they think a western audience would fancy, The Blue Danube or whatever. The musical approach will be original though.

I can hardly quote any sources, as most of this information is from TV documentaries (one specifically on the village of Zece Prajini), newspaper articles, CD covers, and general memories. If you feel any of it is appropriate, please make the ammends yourself. MerryXIV 20:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I wish they had a PM function :)

Re:Ursari

I am told there are roughly 70 Roma clans in Romania. The Lautari are one of the most numerous (and influential) of them, but I was wrong to assume - thanks for the clarification. The Ursari are traditional entertainers (urs=bear, they were presenting chained bears at fairs). The Lautari article indicates a possible filiation Ursari->Lautari.

Thanks

[edit] Hurdy gurdy feedback

Thanks for the feedback on the hurdy gurdy page. I have made the link more explicit, but am trying to avoid a See also section. Let me know if the solution I implemented in the paragraph where the cryptic link was hidden works for you. Best Fenevad 22:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Southern California WikiProject

Welcome to WP:SOCAL. If you have any questions about the project, or the Wikipedia in general, feel free to contact me. BlankVerse 11:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For the barnstar. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 18:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:Hoven-Droven-press-1.jpg

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You're welcome. It may be replaceable, but not by me. Hopefully, someone else will do it. -- Takwish | Talk 23:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Hoven-Droven-press-1.jpg)

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You're welcome. I removed it myself from the Hoven Droven article, which I started, and for which I uploaded the photo. I removed it because I was informed yesterday that this photo--which was released by the band on its website for use by the press--was going to be removed from Wikipedia in seven days because someone might be able to replace it with an image that is even more free than this one was. I don't plan to add it back because--as you yourself have noted--it's going to be deleted anyway. -- Takwish | Talk 20:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know - nomination

Nice article. Hope you are OK with this - I know its only an impression but this is just "the hook". It would help the nomination if the key facts had references in the same way as the quotes at the end of the article. Is that possible? Victuallers 13:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the nomination! All the biographical material in the article previous to the footnote comes from the same source--the introduction to the referenced book. I thought having the same footnote on each paragraph would be somewhat excessive. -- Takwish | Talk 22:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Glad your OK with the nom. I think one per para is not excessive ... in ten years there may be other sources etc. My real problem is that I read two books as refs ... am I missing something. I feel sure one of us has to add the in line refs to make the hook have clear refs. If its me then I need to know which ref to use. Victuallers 22:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I did it. -- Takwish | Talk 23:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Updated DYK query On November 1, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Peter Birkhäuser, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tuva Workgroup

As a past contributor to a Tuva-related article, I was wondering if you would be interested in forming a Tuva workgroup of Wikipedia:WikiProject Central Asia with me? If enough people show interest, I'll go ahead and create the workgroup. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 18:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the interest. You can "sign up" at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Central_Asia/Tuva_task_force. I think it *seems* like the pages are in much better shape, but I've been finding lots of other stuff *out there* related to Tuva that could use a lot of fix-up. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 21:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)