Talk:Takfir wal-Hijra

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This is rather incomplete and kind of inaccurate even. I might go through my Radical Islam books to improve it, if I have the time.--T. Anthony 00:37, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Removing the links on "Excommunication" and "Exodus", since Takfir and Hijra refer to the specifically Islamic versions of these concepts. AnonMoos 15:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] other translations

Page four of this document translates Takfir Wal Hijira as either "excommunication and emigration" or "anathema and exile" -- Geo Swan 02:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Group or ideology ?

My understanding of the Takfir is that it is a group, or well-defined organization, not simply an ideology (contrast with Salafism). I'm not sure the people listed at the end of the article really qualifies as members of Takfir, and a number of them are claimed to be members of Al Qaeda. So, can one be a member of Al Qaeda and of Takfir, although the entry claims that Takfir members attempted to assassinate Ben Laden? Either these peoples were members of Al Qaeda, or of Takfir, but both seems contradictory. Tazmaniacs 02:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Atonement & Migration

is the correct translation of 'Takfir wal-Hijra '. It means atone your disobedience & migrate back to obedience of God. -- 17:02, 18 November 2007 86.51.3.194

I really don't think that such words would convey the same impression to English speakers that تكفير والهجرة convey to Arabic speakers - Takfīr can mean "atonement, expiation, penance", but in the context of the group's name it's generally clearly understood to mean "the act of declaring someone to be an infidel" (i.e. accusing another Muslim of not being a "real" Muslim). And Hijra is derived from a verb whose basic meaning is to go AWAY from something (not to go towards something), and is a clear reference to the historical occasion when Muhammad went away from Mecca (and later came back to conquer it). AnonMoos (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ahle Sunnah Groups with Methodology of AlKhwarij

They have denied that they follow the beliefs of AlKhawrij & they claim to follow the beliefs of Ahle Sunnah.

[edit] founding date

According to [1], Takfir wal-Hijra was founded in 1971 by Shukri Mustafa. Is there a good source that the group was already formed in 1960s? --Vsion (talk) 06:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terminology

Please explain here why "neo-Khawarij" or "Salafi extremist" is the better description, instead of edit-warring... AnonMoos (talk) 02:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)