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[edit] Tone of voice and personal opinions

I believe it is quite questionable to define Taiwan as "colony" of Japan, although this term was so often used unofficially. Imperial Japanese Government declined to use this term several times - ministers formally rejected to use this word in Parliament. This is because: 1. "colony" is not a term to describe legal status. It is a term from economy., 2. They regarded Taiwan as "territory". So Taiwan did not have "Crown Colony" or "Dominion" status to Japan. The point was to what extent the codes of Imperial Japanese Constitution could be enforced.


I had lived in Taiwan for 8 years. Even though I'm not 100% Taiwanese, I'm seriously insulted by this article's tone of voice and the author's personal opinions.

First of all, it is ridiculous to say that the Japanese showcased Taiwan. Who did they showcase Taiwan to? I read the article about Korea under Japanese rule. The only difference I feel about these two is that there is no monarch in Taiwan for the Japanese to murder, because Taiwan was not a country. I don't think that can make Japanese rule in Taiwan better than Korea. That's just someone' personal opinions.

Second, "Use of Japanese language was rewarded" to Taiwan? How gross is that?

Third, "Three Bad Habits" also gradually disappeared in mainland China during the same period. Should the Japanese be credited by such development?

I didn't read the whole article in detail. There may be more inappropriate words and sentences in the article. But I think these things should be set straight.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Poloial (talk • contribs).

Keep in mind that this is a translation from the Chinese Wikipedia. Some of the content may have to be re-adjusted.
For the showcase part, I have modified the sentence to this: Taiwan thus served as a showcase for Japan's propaganda on the colonial efforts throughout Asia, as displayed during the 1935 Taiwan Exposition.
For the "Use of Japanese language was rewarded" part, I think you did not read it very well. The Japanese colonial government in Taiwan rewarded the use of Japanese language, it's a historical fact, and the sentence is perfectly fine.
For the "Three Bad Habits" part, the Japanese colonial government did enforce several policies that relates to it. Please read on.
The Chinese government at the time did its own thing (See New Life Movement), and it's completely unrelated. AQu01rius (User | Talk | Websites)  03:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Development

Working to translate stuff from the zh version. -Loren 23:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Calling it a day, will pick up translating the rest in a bit. -Loren 02:30, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

List of things to do:

  • Find Romanji for the following terms: 公學校, 小學校, 國民學校, 伊澤修二. Done -Loren 07:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Someone who has better art skills then me may want to try duplicating the colonial seal, seen stamped onto on the upper right hand corner of this image. Apparently, the colonial seal resembled the imperial seal with a stylized "台" (two isosceles triangles) superimposed in the center. -Loren 01:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finished "Culture" section

I finished translating the Culture section..

The article is seemingly complete. Should someone submit it so it can be rated? --AQu01rius 23:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks for the help! A few observations and thoughts so far:
  • There are a lot of red links, perhaps we could start filling those.
  • More references would be nice.
Again, excellent work, and thanks to everyone involved.
-Loren 23:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Filled in most of the red links. For citations, I will try to find more as I only included what is provided in the Chinese article. --AQu01rius 01:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the Chinese article is pretty well referenced, however for the English version I think it might be a good idea to get references in English. -Loren 01:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you find information about how baseball was brought to Taiwan and about the baseball teams?--Jerrypp772000 17:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I added the "baseball" section under the "Culture" section, by the way.--Jerrypp772000 17:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Administrative divisions

If Taihoku prefecture included the modern districts of Taipei City, Taipei County, Yilan County, Keelung City the area cannot just have been 428.7 square km. Maybe a digit is missing here. Rolf-Peter Wille 08:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Details of the bad things as well?

I'm guessing from the softness of this piece that it was written from someone in Japan or perhaps edited by them. I lived in Taiwan as well, and what I picked up from talking to some older Taiwanese people and from newspapers there were quite a few things we would classify now as "war crimes" happening by the hands of the Japanese dictators. Although I was unaware of all of the economic and educational reforms that the Japanese instituted, that doesn't mean all the bad things need to be glossed over or omitted completely, if we go to the Hitler page you aren't going to see "concentration camps" omitted. They made reference to "biological submission" I believe was the term, by that the author means, they raped the aborigines to produce Japanese babies, just like the British did with their "undesirables." I don't think the actual meaning should be so buried, nor should it be blatant, it needs to be objective. This needs to be written at a college level or above, not as a 7th grade social studies report. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.78.255.34 (talk • contribs)

I agree. There needs to be more information written about the peasants, who made up the vast majority of Taiwanese people at the time and surprisingly got little attention in this article. More needs to be written about Japanese agricultural policy that benefited big landowners like the Koo family and screwed over tenant farmers. Also, we need to expand opposition groups that were trying to gain Taiwanese autonomy like the Taiwan Cultural Association and the birthing ground for later Taiwanese self-determination. Blueshirts 18:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Takasago Hei."

Give English meaning and characters for "Takasago Hei." Jidanni 13:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese colony?

period between 1895 and 1945 during which Taiwan was a Japanese colony.

What was Taiwan's legal status after 1937? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Readin (talk) 15:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't really know what you mean by legal status, all I know is that Taiwan was still under Japanese administration after 1937. The major thing that changed in 1937 is that the 皇民化政策 started.--Jerrch 22:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, my current browser isn't equipped to read that, and my Chinese and Japanese reading skills aren't that good anyway. What is the "?????"? I thought I remembered reading before that at some point Taiwan was legally considered part of Japan like the home islands.Readin (talk) 23:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
During this period, the Japanese tried to make the Taiwanese Japanese. I don't really know about the legal issue, but the Taiwanese were changed to people of the emperor. They were expected to have Japanese patriotism.--Jerrch 00:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Taiwan was sovereign Japanese territory until April 28, 1952, when Japan's renunciation of its territorial sovereignty became effective. I found a chart which illustrates this -- See Chart #4 on this webpage http://www.taiwanbasic.com/civil/tmodhiae.htm The United States is the principal occupying power, and the ROC is only a subordinate occupying power under USMG. 61.230.92.236 (talk) 03:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy Section

It would be good to include a legacy section talking about the long-term effects of the Japanese rule. Things like the education and infrastructure that helped with later economic growth and changes to Taiwanese culture that survive to today would be useful to know.Readin (talk) 19:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)