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[edit] Major Leaguers

It's impossible for the 2004 Olympic team to have included major leaguers. Major league teams did not let their players go to Athens.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.92.19.73 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 2 March 2006.

[edit] Response + Comment

Response to first thing: This is the WBC roster. Also, is it neccessary to put their names in Chinese/—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smartyshoe (talk • contribs) 01:42, 3 March 2006.

[edit] Japanese Professional Baseball League

The Japanese Professional Baseball League isn't called "JPB".It's called "NPB"(Nippon Professional Baseball).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.117.195.196 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 19 June 2006.

[edit] Rename

I think the name of the article should not have been changed into Taiwan, but should still be Chinese Taipei as that is the official name used in international sports competitions. All sports related articles considering Taiwan exist on Wikipedia as Chinese Taipei (click the link to find out why). I suggest to rename it back to what it was. SportsAddicted | discuss 22:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I disagree because this article includes time in which the term Chinese Taipei was not used. I believe there should be a section added to include a description of the fact that the country has competed under three names since 1949, but due to the presence of historical information predating the use of Chinese Taipei, I agree with the name change, though it is not I who made it. ludahai 魯大海 22:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
OK you convinced me, but it should become more clear inside the article like you just did for me then ;) SportsAddicted | discuss 23:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
all we need to do is to change it innit? Many of people do not what is Chinese Taipei but Taiwan. I fink we should stick with Taiwan rather than Chinese Taipei. The aim of this article is and will give them an objective information about whateva team we are talking about here. Very Nice —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Changchih228 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
I agree that this article should use the official name which is Chinese Taipei. All of other names could be mention in the "name controversy" section. It is more consistent and NPOV with other international sports competitions. Also note that the main logo in the page also seems to use the official name and it contradicts the article to use "Taiwan" instead of "Chinese Taipei". Most of the other sports related articles about Taiwan here such as the Olympics articles also uses the name "Chinese Taipei" instead of "Taiwan" or "Republic of China". LionheartX

I have moved this page back to Taiwan National Baseball Team because I believe that we should have consensus before making moves like this, and I am not sure that we do. (I personally believe that it should be moved to the official name, but my personal belief is less important than consensus.) Please, what do people think? Should we use the official name, which does seem to be the most commonly used name, at least according to Google? Remember that there will still be a redirect from Taiwan National Baseball Team. Regards, Ben Aveling 18:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe that Taiwan national baseball team is better, because it is the common name. Plus, there already is an article of Chinese Taipei, for people that are interested in that name.--Jerrypp772000 22:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. Google agrees that TNBT is more common.
  • "Taiwan national baseball team" gives 448 Google hits.
  • "Chinese Taipei National Baseball team" gives 208.
Actually, I'm surprised how low both counts are. Perhaps it just reflects the fact that most references to them are not in English? On the one hand, CTNB is the official term, on the other hand common usage seems to be the other way around, and most certainly, it is the Taiwan national baseball team, and that probably would be the official name were it not for interference from mainland China. What else should we be taking into account? Regards, Ben Aveling 11:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it more NPOV to use the official names in this situation. The common term in Taiwan translates as "Chinese Taipei National Baseball Team", not the "Taiwan National Baseball Team". Using TNBT would also contradict with the main logo in the top of the page. This article here seems like a neutral compromise: Chinese Taipei at the 2006 Asian Games. LionheartX 16:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it is better to use the name Taiwan National Baseball team because it relates to the entire life history of the team, during which it has competed under three different official names since its independence from Japan. Of those three different names, Taiwan is the best known and most commonly used. Thus, while the name Chinese Taipei should be mentioned in the article, as it does include Pre-Chinese Taipei history of the team, it should be named Taiwan National Baseball Team. ludahai 魯大海 14:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
So the issue here is whether to use the current or the traditional name for the article title. My thought is that we use CTNBT if we should follow the name currently more common in use (though Google says otherwise), and TNBT if we should write this article with its basis on its origin. It's like choosing either the old or the new. For the naming controversy part, a redirect from either name should lead the readers to understand about it. At least that's what I feel. Vic226說 04:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This article should at least be moved back to "... national baseball team" rather than "... National Baseball Team" as the lowercase form is used for all the other national team articles. - MTC 07:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Restructuring

Okay, let me explain some of my restructing:

  • I removed the history section because I don't think it will ever be expanded. The records of achievement is pretty much the history of the team.
  • I adjusted the lead paragraph. "Excluded" is rather POV-leaning, even though it was the truth. I changed that to "the withdrawal", which is the official usage.
  • I grouped all the participated competitions together so that it looks organized.
  • Removed the statistics; the Taiwanese team is not even in any of those tables.
  • Reformatted the Roster section. Since it's the national team, it's really unnecessary to include the flag when they are obviously all from the same country.

Good work on the article! AQu01rius (User • Talk) 04:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject China

I don't believe this article should be a part of WikiProject China as this has nothing to do with China. ludahai 魯大海 14:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Me neither, unless any of you want to go through the "Taiwan/ROC issue," but I believe we shouldn't because this isn't a political article. And even if it is, it certainly should not be a high importance for WikiProject China, I think it would have to be a low importance.--Jerrypp772000 15:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Then can we get rid of the tag?? Kc0616 14:43, 7 June 2007
I got rid of it. I think it'll be alright.--Jerry 22:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
On Wikipedia, China =/= People's Republic of China. It is a well established principle and convention. The article China also refers to the Republic of China. This article is within the scope of WikiProject China. LionheartX
Just because you say China =/= People's Republic of China doesn't stop people from assuming that they are equal. Isn't the goal of Wikipedia to make things more obvious and understandable instead of making it more confusing? Kc0616 20:23, 16 June 2007
PRC and ROC should be used only in political contexts, which this article obviously isn't one. Not everything in Wikipedia has to be political you know?--Jerry 19:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Why is this article part of WikiProject China? I don't see any America-related articles under WikiProject England or UK, do you? Kc0616 13:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

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