Talk:Taiwan Confucian Temple

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[edit] Built during Yongli Emperor reign?

Many Taiwanese sources state that the temple was built in 1665, in the 19th year of the reign of the Yongli Emperor, during the Southern Ming Dynasty. But the Yongli Emperor didn't reign for a 19th year, because he was executed in 1662. Did the Taiwanese not find out for several more years? Badagnani (talk) 23:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Chinese Wikipedia says that 1665 was the 19th year of the reign of the Yongli Emperor, and also the fourth year of the reign of the Kangxi Emperor of the Qing Dynasty. How is that possible? Badagnani (talk) 23:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know whether it is appropriate to use the Ming emperor's reign for dates, but as the Qing dynasty didn't have any control over Taiwan until much later, it is incorrect to use the Qing date. My guess is that the Qing date was included by someone trying to emphasize their perception that Taiwan is always part of China. If that is the case then the use of the Qing date is not only incorrect, it is a violation of the NPOV policy. Readin (talk) 00:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I only found the "4th year of Qing" reference on the zh:WP article, not in any of the Taiwanese sources, who emphasize the 19th year of Yongli (though he had been dead for four years!). Could you address the fact that many Taiwanese sources state that it was built during the 19th year of the reign of an emperor who was already dead for four years? That would seem POV as well. Badagnani (talk) 00:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

No I can't, my knowledge of how dates were rendered during that period of Taiwan's history isn't sufficient. If Taiwanese were using Yongli for their dates (a possibility as Koxinga was a Ming loyalist), then it probably is NPOV to include that date. Either way you're probably ok just using the 1665 date. Readin (talk) 00:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! See how the text looks to you. Badagnani (talk) 00:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Date of Qing renaming/renovation

We need the date, during the Qing Dynasty, that the temple was renovated and renamed 先師廟 / 先師聖廟. Badagnani (talk) 00:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Done--found in zh:WP article. Badagnani (talk) 00:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need to re-title this article

Thoughts on re-naming this article: here in Taiwan the structure is referred to as the "Tainan Temple of Confucius" (Kongzi = Confucius) or "Temple of Confucius in Tainan", and not the "Taiwan Confucian Temple"--which is an ambiguous and inaccurate translation of Tainan kongzi miao ("Confucian Temple" would be ru jia miao or something that doesn't refer to the man Confucius, Kongzi). Moreover, the Temple of Confucius article (about the original Kong Miao in Qufu) already exists and should be mentioned/followed. Finally, there is also a Confucius Temple in Taichung and some other places I can't recall the names of at the moment, so there needs to be a mention of locale here since this is one of many temples devoted to Confucius and his ideas.N0574 (talk) 08:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The title came straight from the official site. Sometimes the English-language names promulgated by Chinese-speaking countries themselves (which are also used in tourism books) don't match the actual Chinese name. Badagnani (talk) 08:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)