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[edit] List of Taiko Groups
I would like to suggest that the list of taiko groups does not constitute spam. Although I agree that most of the groups listed in the lists go directly to that groups' website, I do not believe that the lists qualified as spam as defined by wikipedia as "primarily exist to sell goods or services, use objectionable amounts of advertising, or require payment to view the relevant content." I believe most taiko websites exist to provide information about the specific taiko group and not primarily as a commercial website. I liken the lists of taiko groups to lists of professional sports teams.
After the lists of taiko groups were removed by Karlbrezner, I created 4 list pages by geographical area: North America, Japan, Europe and Asia-Pacific and added links from the main Taiko page under the "See Also" heading. I believe that this is a resonable compromise that keeps the main article to a suitable length while still maintining the information provided by the lists. I would like to propose that the links to the lists of taiko groups be kept under the "See Also" header.
TMo 23:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I would appreciate having the list of groups available. I don't think this amounts to advertising so long as the list is a comprehensive as possible and doesn't favour any particular group. I don't see a link to this list now on the page.
Reirreug 18:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Taiko Music CD
This section is a joke. Many of the groups listed above have numerous CDs available. More importantly, taiko performances are better captured on video. And, again, there are simply too many good ones to mention. 64.60.145.50 21:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Types of taiko
Regarding the Byou-uchi/Tsukeshime categories, I always thought tsukeshime was a subset of shime. What is needed is a superset that would include the various oke-daiko. Also, I think there is a typo: "Tsukushime-daiko" 64.60.145.50 20:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Translation of taiko
In the article the author says "taiko" means "big drum". But the kanji for "tai" means "fat" as in "Super Size Me". Is "big" really a good translation for that?
- The character for o (大) means "big", I think, whereas tai (太) would be better translated as "grand" or "great". --Yu Ninjie 03:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Normally I have seen "Taiko" translated simply as "drum". Although tai (太) by itself can be translated as "big", another translation is "plump" or "big around" suggesting the round shape of the body of the drum. When speaking of drums, prefixes such as O-, (大 Large) and Chu- (中 Medium) are usually used to describe (relative) size of the drum. --Tmguchi 16:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
In Japanese "taiko (太鼓)" means "drum": "A membranophone (膜鳴楽器 ). A percussion instrument with the body made from worked wood, metals, gourd, etc., an instrument hit by the mallet or hand in general. Drum.” from Nihon Kokugo Daijiten. 2nd ed. Tokyo: Sougakukan, 2001. If you want to break down the word, 太 means "big or thick," but "taiko" need not refer to a large instrument. I would argue, though, that the Japanese word "太鼓" and English "taiko" are not the same word. The English word "taiko" means both "ensemble drumming of Japanese derivation" and "a Japanese drum." We should provide both definitions.--Dbensen 17:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bibliography
Too long for such a short article, in fact, too long even for a very long article. I don't see any usage of it as a reference tool, but a cut-and-paste job. Needs to be cut down or completely removed altogether. Books should be listed if they are used in the writing of the article or are important, not to show off one's book list on the subject. --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 12:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I would like to reopen the bibliography discussion. The purpose of the bibliography is not to cite works used in this wikipedia article, but to inform readers about taiko literature in general. As such, I think it is a document of inestimable worth, and of great importance to the continuation of taiko scholarship. I will wait to add it back onto the taiko article page until I hear other opinions. --Dbensen 16:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Any word against my suggestion above? If I hear a good argument against including the bibliography I am willing to be convinced (the best reason I can think of for not including the bibliography is that it is long and clutters up the page). I think that a bibliography would be extremely useful to anyone doing research on taiko and so until I hear dissenting opinions, I will put it back up on the page.--Dbensen 17:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Charlie was correct, the bibliography is too long and is pretty pointless if you ask me. If someone wanted to know that much about taiko they'd research more by themselves. I say remove it. Comrade Pajitnov 02:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the bibliography is much too large. I understand the importance of informing readers about taiko literature, but this is pretty excessive. I think it would be extremely difficult for anyone who doesn't want to be a taiko scholar to wade through it in search of the more accessible literature. Is the language actually specified on any of the entries? (for example, whether or not a particular article/book is in English or Japanese) If not, that's going to hinder people's research more than help it.
Would it be silly to suggest putting the bibliography online externally and linking to it, similar to other subjects with extensive bibliographies? Jaclyn 07:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I just saw a taiko performance tonight (in Japan) and came to this article to research a little bit more. The bibliography includes a student paper! Surely this is too much, this is the largest bibliography I've ever seen. BaikinMan 13:58, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
(Sorry to come back to this discussion so late---I though I told wikipedia to inform me of updates to this page and when it didn't I thought nothing was going on here) Putting the bibliography on a separate page is a good compromise. I'm entirely happy with it. To clarify the purpose of the bibliography, though, I should say that it's very difficult for researchers of taiko to find anything of worth on the subject. The few scholarly articles available on taiko rarely research the work done by other authors, and as a result promulgate factual errors. I included student papers in the list because many times they are no less insightful or factually correct than peer-reviewed artcles, and some contain ideas found nowhere else. I know many people who would find a bibliography like the one I posted useful, and I'm glad you found a way to keep it on wikipedia.Dbensen 00:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I am about to do some research on Taiko and the bibliography is very helpful, thank's. The article itself could certainly be extended in due course.
Reirreug 18:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] From Talk:Japanese Taiko Drumming
[edit] Merger
Should this perhaps be merged with the existing article Taiko? Trdaisuke 20:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Elements of Basic Taiko Rhythms
I thought the word "ju-uchi" might be a typo for "ji-uchi (地打ち）", but it is repeated throughout the paragraph so I am hesitant to change it... Can we either get this typo fixed, or have a Japanese kanji added to alleviate confusion with ji-uchi? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Muscateer (talk • contribs) 02:10, August 24, 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Disambiguation
There is also a Taiko bird in New Zealand. The English term for the bird is "Petrel". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xurizaemon (talk • contribs) 03:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
