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[edit] Not a sufi

Dr Tahir is not a sufi he is a scholar. Someone please correct it i don`t know how to.--Husein Najmi 23:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subcategories

This article needs to be subcategorized. We try to keep individual articles out of "Writers" and use the various subcategories otherwise "Writers" gets overwhelming. I previously changed "Writers" here to "Pakistani writers" and someone reversed it. I will now change it to "Muslim writers." If that is still not acceptable, change it to whichever subcategory is acceptable, but please don't just leave it at "Writer." Also, many researchers find national categories useful, so you may want to reconsider the "Pakistani writers" category. Thank you. — scribblingwoman 16:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Please reverse this article to "Pakistani writers" as the so called scholar belongs to Pakistan and most of the Muslims dont know about him... I have heard from some where that This person is a controvertial person in Pakistan itself... Thanks sikku 10:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Most muslims do know about him and his organisation. He has appereared on many english TV channels like QTV, Unity TV, PTV Prime and even Islam Channel are going to begin showing his lectures in June. His students are also well-know such as Shaykh Ramadan Qadri from the UK. People like Abdul Hakim Murad and Hamza Yusuf have met him and honoured him, and Shaykh Asad as-sarghaji who is a great islamic authority in Syria accepts him as his teacher. Hasseniqbal192 16:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Shaykh ul Islam Professor Dr.

Article like that of Hamza Yusuf and Abdul Hakim Murad and others include the word shaykh as they are commonly known by that name. Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri's article should include his full title like the other articles. So please don't vandalize the page as he is commonly known as Shaykh ul Islam Professor Dr. Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. Hasseniqbal192 01:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

see: WP:HONORIFIC#Honorific_prefixes - this isn't the place to disseminate honorifics, and in accordance with our policy on neutrality, such adulation is out of place. ITAQALLAH 17:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
What about the articles which I mentioned above, shouldn't they be bound to the policy??? Hasseniqbal192 20:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
yes they should, and i invite you to make the necessary changes. what if we went around referring to all sorts of characters and religious leaders with `His Holiness`, `His Eminence`, `Professor`, and so on? the standard practice is to refer to the person's name in a formal manner. ITAQALLAH 17:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Tahir ul Qadri used to be a professor at the punjab university and is the chief executive of the minhaj university (A suitable reference will be added soon). Dr. Tahir ul Qadri is shaykh ul islam as he has met all the qualifications for that title. He has delivered technical speeches about Fiqh, Hadith and Tasawwuf (references will be added). The word Shaykh ul Islam is used around the world and is similar to titles such as shaykh, priest, bishop etc. Hasseniqbal192 15:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
regardless of whether or not he truly is a shaykh ul-islam, we refer to people by their names, not by their titles. even if one is a professor, we can say they are verifiably a professor in a certain subject, but we don't refer to them as professor in the article. ITAQALLAH 16:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I think this whole article is self projection by his own IT team and all the links point to own minhaj sites. it doesnt deserve a noble person of such things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakilahmed (talk • contribs) 13:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ijazas commentry wrong

Says he has "Given" the ijaza but in fact he has "Received" ijazas from the ulema listed. I've changed it AN-MEL 19:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

No he has given the Ijazas to the following muslim scholars, if you get a chance to meet them, you can ask them. It is common knowledge now.Hasseniqbal192 16:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Shaykh ul Islam Dr. Tahir ul Qadri is the possessor of a sound chain of narration that links him to Imam Sahih ul Bukhari. His degree of knowledge and his ability to make simple the most complex of matters to event the most illiterate of people is evidence alone of his superiority as an Islamic scholar from whom others TAKE ijaza (User:Minhaji)

Further, all the ijazas of "Europe" are unsubstantiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AN-MEL (talk • contribs) 19:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

No they are not, those scholars publicly received the ijazas and this is commonly known.Hasseniqbal192 16:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
All the ijazas of "Europe" ARE substantiated. it is common knowledge (User:Minhaji)

[edit] Minor Changes

I have edited the introduction from "unique amongst Muslim scholars" to "prominent" - as being multi-lingual is not something that can be claimned is unique to Dr Tahir ul Qadri. The definition of unique implies standing alone in a skill, something that is untrue. Therefore this serves as fawning and advertising, not particuarly encylopedic.

I have made these minor edits before but someone vandalised them back - presumably a follower of said Dr. Please, do not revert it this time. On the issue of being multi-lingual, most sub-continental scholars are able to speak both Arabic and Urdu, most of the Pakistani ulama in the UK are able to speak Arabic, English and Urdu - and even a significant number (such as Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad and Shaykh Muhammad Saqib Iqbal Shami) are able to speak Persian in addition - so there is not uniqueness.

I believe that "prominent" stands as both a respectful and encylopedic analysis of the situation. MuhammadYusufAttari (talk) 09:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, I have removed the stories regarding dreams and vision from the page, and narrations about pious ancestors. This is not encylopedic content, and should not be included in this section, as it is a tale. Please insert a seperate section regarding "Dreams Surrounding Dr's Birth", making it clear that this is a story, told on the account of family members and re-written by the Minhaj ul Qur'an press team.

Wikipedia is not a platform to disseminate folk tales.MuhammadYusufAttari (talk) 09:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Please do not accuse members of vandalism. I do not mind if you change the word unique to prominent or remove stories of dreams etc. but you have vandalised the page and made a statement biased by saying that Dr. Qadri "only" sent out a referendum so I reverted the whole edit. You have also reciently vandalised the page by removing the names of the Yemeni scholars who recieved Dr. Qadri's Ijaza including the pictures and this is a clear form of vandalism so before accusing other members of vandalism do not vandalise the page yourself. What I did was clearly not vandalism as I only reverted your edit and any changes you made and brought the page back to its previous form. So would you first kindly read the rules of wikipedia and find out the definition of vandalism before accusing experienced users. You are still new to wikipedia I'm afraid and you need to learn how it works and the different rules of wikipedia before making any further edits. Hasseniqbal192 (talk) 18:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Reverted edits, we have not written that the dreams happened we have written that it is REPORTED by Tahir ul-Qadri's father the following story and it is SAID that they were pious persons and this is allowed, genuine and encyclopedic. Hasseniqbal192 (talk) 18:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Regardless of the phrasing, this dream is a folk tale and definitely NOT encylopedic. MuhammadYusufAttari (talk) 11:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] most links are from his own sites

most of the links in this article point to own resources ie, minhaj etc. writer should learn how to write an unbiased neautral and fact based article, some title may be used well in Pakistan to project well but this is an international site, should confrom to normal set of standards. so remove such things please or i will report this to wikipedia personally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakilahmed (talk • contribs) 14:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)