User talk:Taga guinpucan
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Actually I am addressing this message to the administrator of Wikipedia. My recent article about Carmen, San Agustin, Romblon was deleted. The reason was it contains copied table of contents.
Please recheck again the deleted file and review again if it merits to be deleted. This article is for the benefit of Carmen's and environs close to 10,000 residents who are denied of any printed historical account of their community. If this is what you think is good for them, then I can't do anything. I am afraid the article about Sugod , San Agustin, Romblon will be deleted as well though I'm still planning to create articles for Mahababangbaybay, Sugod, Cawayan and Caboulutan, all in San Agustin, Romblon, now I have second tought about it. I don't want to waste my energy anymore.
Please let me know if you are going to delete article Sugod, San Agustin, Romblon so at least I can copy it first. Please forward any action to my email taga_guinpucan@yahoo.com before any actions. Thank you.
- I only noticed this message because I was watching the Special:Recentchanges page... I'm not a mod, but you'll have a LOT more sucsess if you use the Wikipedia:Deletion review process.--AgentCDE / Talk / 13:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Fixing your page
Hi Taga guinpucan,
There's a lot of good information on your page, but a lot of problems, too. A few fairly easy things you can do:
1) Entirely delete or replace phrases such as "very much concerned about developing" and especially "epitome of progress". Wiki isn't the place to use marketing language.
2) Cite things correctly. It's not very difficult to do, but putting stuff like "Source of Information: Romblon Historical Data..." definitely shows you are doing homework. But you need to make it easy for other editors to find that information and check it. (It doesn't seem to me at all that you are misquoting, but you would be surprised at how many Wiki citations are misquotes!) Here's a couple examples (click "Edit this page" on the tabs at the top of this talk page to see what the look like):
They come from this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_ravens
3) While you are on the above page, look at the layout. Change your layout so it looks more like the ravens one.
[edit] To the moderator,
Thanks for your advices and tips. I am not very good in grammar but I'm learning fast. I will follow those pointers and guidlines to make it more wikified. However, I would like to complain one user who vandalized Santa fe, Romblon web page signed as 125.212.78.159, he changed the names of barangays to offensive names and wrote that Santa Fe is the hometown of whores and prostitutes and it is the worst place here on earth. Please blacklist him to prevent from similar damages and from futher damaging the good wikipedia site. Thanks and best regards
[edit] It was Great
From the article Ravens I learned how to make reference list. I will update my other contributions to appear it more professional and reliable. I stand firm that entries here are correct and deligently researched even to resorting interview with the old folks in the villages. It's great to learn the history of your birthplace and imparting your knowledge to your 'Kabayan' or 'Kasimanwa' as we say it in Romblon language. The site is great! (This is not a marketing comment, but my own opinion) Thanks..
[edit] Cawayan, San Agustin, Romblon
Another editor has added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Cawayan, San Agustin, Romblon, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 07:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Google Earth Map Label for Sta. Maria, Romblon was misapplied as Concepcion, Romblon. Santa Maria's former name was Concepcion Norte which was changed to Imelda when it baecame a town and replaced into santa Maria after the people power revolution. Concepcion Norte, Santa Maria is a different entity with Concepcion municipality located in Maestro de Campo Island. Please correct.
[edit] To the Moderator, Intruder pls Help
There is one vandal 125.60.243.104 who is adding nonsense historical contribution about world war II events in the municipalities of Alcantara, Banton, Cajidiocan, Calatrava, Concepcion, Corcuera, Looc, Magdiwang, Odiongan, Romblon, San Agustin, San Fernando, and Santa Fe by adding and editing events allegedly that in 1945 Filipino guerillas defeated the Japanese during world war 2. My Uncle was a veteran and he spoke to me that these are not true besides it is out of context. He too is not native english speaker. Please help block this vandal I plead!.
[edit] Sources
Hi, thanks for your contributions, but please include sources for the information you add. Unsourced and questionable information added to wikipedia is likely to be deleted. See the policy on Verifiability. Thanks! TheCoffee (talk) 06:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sourcing and copyright status of your additions
I just noticed your recent additions of a large amount of material to the Romblon, Romblon article. The material had some problems with wikification, which I began to try to improve. Working through the material, I became more and more concerned with lack of sourcing, and concerned about its copyright status. I commented on that here. Looking at your edit history, I see the following:
mainspace edits 61 Alcantara, Romblon 57 San Fernando, Romblon 55 Looc, Romblon 55 Cajidiocan, Romblon 35 Concepcion, Romblon 31 Magdiwang, Romblon 27 Santa Maria, Romblon 25 San Jose, Romblon 25 Santa Fe, Romblon 18 Romblon, Romblon 16 Mahabangbaybay, San Agustin, Romblon 15 Cabolutan, San Agustin, Romblon 14 Banton, Romblon 11 Corcuera, Romblon 11 Calatrava, Romblon talk page edits: 9 Taga guinpucan 3 Mike Rosoft
I see that your exchange with User:Mike Rosoft on his talk page involved citation issues and copyright concerns regarding an article about Carmen, San Agustin, Romblon. Going by the edit dates,it looks like that resulted in the unsigned anonymous response which begins the Fixing your page section of this talk page.
Looking at some of the other articles which you have edited, I see more detailed and unattributed material. Thank you for contributing to wikipedia, but much of the material you added needs to be attributed. I am concerned about possible copyright infringement issues.
Comments? Just add your response here -- I will keep this talk page on my watchlist and will look for your response. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 02:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- On your Comments
- Thanks for citing your concern. I firmly believed that there was no violations made on my contributions in as much that most of my contributions were gathered from my own personal research on local records of each municipalities for its local civil registries of bautismos, casamientos, defunctiones, military and taxition records during Spanish times, data on schools and many others from the microfilm files found at the family heritage library of the Church of Jesus Christ of Later day Saints in Whiteplains central temple in Quezon City, Philippines. I did not copy on other websites, if however the stories or my narrations might be similar to the rest, it is because it had been our oral history that eveyone in the province already knew which our old folks has narrated to us already.
It seems to me as if what you are doing is what is called in the Wikipedia community Original research. Original research is valuable, but is not acceptable in Wikipedia articles. Please read Wikipedia policies WP:NOR and WP:V and guidelines WP:RS and WP:CITE. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 11:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- On Original Research
- I agree with you. In my next visit to this website, I'll post my references and improve my article to meet wikipedia standards. Thank you for commenting. Most of the articles I mentioned are also available in the Historical Data of Romblon found at the Filipiniana division National Library in Manila, Philippines. Thank you
I've re-edited this section to put in the customary talk-page conversation indents.
I see that the article has been edited to add some References. The citation format doesn't conform to WP:CITE guidelines, but that could be fixed if the citations contained sufficient information to do that — which they do not. Info about author, publisher, publication date, etc. needs to be provided. Enough information needs to be provided that other editors can locate the source, make a judgement about its reliability (see WP:RS) and verify that the info from that source does support the info in the article (see WP:C and that the article does not violate copyright restrictions by, for example, copying large belock of text verbatim from copyrighted sources (see WP:COPY. Incidentally, just by chance I happen to be in Romblon, Romblon at the moment. I stopped by the municipal library (so-called), and could not find any of the referenced sources there. I'll be passing through Manili in a couple of weeks and will try to find time to visit the national library while I'm there. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 01:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Personal Letter to Mr. Boracay Bill Good day to you Bill, To be honest, there are many writers and website designers from my home province Romblon asking me about source of my information, honestly, I am feed-up of the current available local histories found in most Romblon websites saying Romblon was formerly Lomlom then Donblon from the word Lomlom or hen hatching its eggs, but the story stops there, as if a fairy tale since nobody bothered to research on what really happened to these islands in the past. I am a history lover that even during my college days, I keep on compiling interesting data about Romblon and it is only now or just very recently that I finally organized it into one whole book, entitled the “History of Carmen including Historical and Cultural background of northeastern barangays of San Agustin”. I donated personally one copy to the chief librarian at the municipal library in Romblon, Romblon last 2006, perhaps around month of July. I wonder why you are telling me now that you cannot find the book since this was the only prized book in their library according to that lady librarian (I’m quoting exactly her words) this when I handed it to her. I learned about the many available microfilm documents at the Mormons Family Heritage Library when I was doing research on our family tree prior to our grand Marin’s clan reunion held last 2000. While digging into old files, I stumbled on many valuable historical files regarding Romblon’s history which were reproduced from the original books and manuscripts found at achieves from the National Historical Institute and from the National Library. Therefore, I did two researches, one for our Marin clan and another for the history of Romblon particulary Carmen. I’m glad to tell you that church records I found for Cajidiocan is intact and in good condition beginning 1779 (microfilm). From there I traced our family tree and reproduced copies related to history. I did contribute histories on several Romblon towns out of these files. For the data on Romblon’s provincial executives, I took it from the schools data of Capiz, again from Mormons library from earliest time until 1853. And from Romblon school’s records until 1898. It was in Spanish but anyway I can understand little Spanish. Data on census during Spanish time was also from there including information on taxation, rebeldes (katipuneros) who were imprisoned during Spanish time, military records, census of foreigners staying in Romblon during Spanish time, commerce and trade on goods imported and exported from the province. And mind you, librarians at |Mormons library are very helpful and kind to assist you unlike in our National Library and at the National Historical Institute where staff are very lazy, arrogant and very selfish (sorry to tell you this, but this was my observation). On the other hand, Singapore national library has many books pertaining to Spanish Philippines where I gathered articles on the establishment of pueblo Sibuyan in 1744. I worked in Singapore from 2000-2004. Old pictures in my book were gathered from Singapore national library, also I got many documents from the former GSIS library, but the library now and its books are gone, I don’t know what happened with it. As to the establishment of Romblon pueblos, census records for Romblon before it became a PMC are from the microfilm of “Guia official de las islas Filipinas” found at rare books (microfilm) section of the nat'l library, while old maps attached to my book are from the map section of the National Library at Filipiniana with the librarians there again very lazy and arrogant and unwilling to help me because the old maps are very dirty and dusty according to her. At Filipiniana section, you will find “Historical data of Romblon” For data on land area for each barangays and municipalities I took the records from the defunct bureau of coast and geodetic survey, forerunner of NAMRIA, because data here are more accurate than that one found at the bureau of Lands and from the National Statistics Office or census (NCSO) because I don’t believe on their figures, say Calatrava is larger in land area than San Andres town, impossible. If you need further information, please email me at taga_guinpucan@yahoo.com. Thanks, Ray
- Ray, I'm interested in WP generally more than I am in Romblon specifically. As I said, though, I happened to be in Romblon, Romblon earlier this month and stopped by the tiny municipal library there to ask about books on the history of Romblon. I was shown half a dozen or so shelved books on general Philippine history — Agoncillo's History of the Filipino People, etc. That's as far as it went. I could have spent more time at the library, but I didn't. I could have dug deeper, but I didn't. I had other things to do, and I did those other things instead.
- I expect to be back in Romblon in late June. Perhaps you and I can get together then, and you can help me locate supporting sources for the info in the WP articles about the various Romblon province municipalities. I'll be happy to sit down, read the articles with the supporting sources in hand, and try to insert appropriate supporting cites.
- I don't want to question your expertise or your dedication. However, where Wikipedia is concerned, Wikipedia policies and guidelines apply. Regarding your book, WP:SPS (part of the WP:V policy) probably applies. Regarding your research, WP:OR (also a WP policy} probably applies. The WP:RS and WP:CITE WP guidelines, among others, are also relevant.
- Where is this "Morman library" which you mention above? -- Boracay Bill (talk) 03:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Bill, I am very willing to sit down with you and to help me organized my seond book which I love also to post some articles in WP. However, I am an OFW or overseas Filipino contract worker, presently working here in doha, qatar in an australian contracting firm Leighton. Mormons library is Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints - Family Heritage Library at White Plains, Quezon City near EDSA shrine. From Ortigas you may take taxi and while in the library, look for Sis. Rose, she is an old lady and an old timer in the library and she is very kind to assist you. Almost every documents found in archieves are also reproduces and deposited in their vault. it is very interesting and exciting especially if you dig on something that everybody are craving for. By Feb, 2009 i'll be on vacation for one month. I hope to see you in Romblon or in Boracay. thanks for the help.
