Talk:Tagalog people

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[edit] tattoo

Tagalog people do not tatoo themselves. At least when the Spaniards met them in 1570's. It is one of the physical characteristics which differentiate them from the Visayans whom they call Lipong i.e. someone similar to the chinese Jar Li-pong which has blue colored decorations. Although spanish eyewitness accounts have said so, there is a posibility that the Tagalogs did tatoo themselves in the past, but we can only infer this from their old words such as batik, and batikan -- the latter meaning someone who is famous for being adept at something, perhaps like war, which is what a Lipong is to the Visayans, a bagani or bayani, which means a seasoned warrior. Among the Visayans, the tatoo is sort of a trophy or advertisment for the number of enemies killed, the more tatoos one have the more people he killed.

[edit] Portuguese contact

>Tagalogs also had long commercial relations with the Portuguese.
Is this true? Interresting. I wish we had more sources(?) It is possible , Magallanes was in the Philippines in 1511 instead of 1521 according to history and secretly wanted to go back.--Jondel 06:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ancestry

"...are ultimately the descendants of Austronesian-speaking immigrants from prehistoric Taiwan..." While this is an established and valid theory, it is not ultimately "proven" or fact. therefore I will attenuate this passage. --84.159.191.184 14:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


Is it me, or does the description of the Tagalog people as "superior" to other Philipino ethnic groups sound flagrantly racist?!

I don't see that in the passage. What does being immigrants from Taiwan have to do with an alleged claim to superiority? The article clearly says that the Tagalogs AND OTHER aboriginal groups are descendants of immigrants from Taiwan. I am not a Tagalog, I am an Ilocano, and so I know that Ilocanos came to the Philippines first before the Tagalogs because we are closer to Taiwan. I do not understand why Visayans make such a big fuss over it?

Umm.. you don't say i am Cebuano, whcih is a Visayan people and most other Filipino groups HATE that the Tagalogs think that Cebuanos, Illokanos, Illongos, Bikolano, are are infiror and try to say the we say that Cebu (the city) is 'perfect' and that it isn't a good city, lol i am going to off subject here!! well anyway tagalogs are just too afraid that they arent the best to the just try to enforce their langauge, and beliefs onto other Filipino groupsAustralian Jezza 11:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Well that's because Cebuanos of Cebu seem to have an superiority-inferiority complex not present among other ethnolinguistic groups in the Philippines (and I've traveled a lot within the country) and try to compensate for it (like the people of Cataluña do) by (mentally) putting the Tagalogs and Metromanileños (given that the majority of Metromanileños are not Tagalog) down, and basically everyone else (including their own fellow Cebuanos raised in Metro Manila who speak only Filipino, whom they then start referring to contemptuosly as "those Tagalogs"). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.213.176.7 (talk) 10:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC).
Add to that is that Cebu Cebuanos seem to elevate Metromanileños onto a mental pedestal so high that they end up passionately hating the latter in the end when they get sick of their inferiority complex. That's when it transforms into a superiority complex. The outward manifestations may be different, but it's basically the same thing inside.

my filipino side of my family are not Cebuanos of Cebu... they are Cebuanos of bohol... so by you arguement i shoudln't have a problem with the Tagalogs, and also cebuanos are not the only ones... i know... there are alot of Ilokanos, Cebuanos and Warays in australia, and they don't like the whole tagalog being forced onto them, so they prefer to talk in english to each otherAustralian Jezza 05:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Regardless the importance of Tagalog people in the history of the Philippines (which is quite easy to understand, e.g. Manila was the center of Spanish and American and lastly Independent-Republic's power) it is blatantly biased to say, they are "superior" to others. Nobody should make a statement like this (e.g. "The Tagalogs have definitely shown far more intellectual and cultural vigour compared to other ethno-linquistic groups"). --87.193.11.129 19:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] should i delete this

"Transliterated, tagailog means 'coming from the river' or 'native of the river', with 'the' being implied."

i think readers can figure that out from the previous sentences. this one is just superfluous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.184.124 (talk) 06:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)