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Contents 1 As of 18:00, May 17th, 2008 2 Philosophy section 3 Ranks, Belts and Promotions comments 4 Competition Section Comments

[edit] As of 18:00, May 17th, 2008

The article is looking much better guys. Keep up the good work. Quietmartialartist (talk) 22:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Philosophy section

The section on philosophy has, I feel, become somewhat too large -- not just in terms of the newly-added Jidokwan information, but also the ITF portion. The tenets are already mentioned elsewhere in the article, and the oath and tenets are also presented in the International Taekwondo Federation article. I am not suggesting that there should be no kwan-specific information the article, but we probably don't need this level of detail on philosophy here when the organizations have their own articles. Omnedon (talk) 22:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Since there has been no response or objection, I've moved the Jidokwan philosophy section to the Jidokwan article (and have asked for a citation there), and have removed the ITF philosophy section which seemed to have been the same as in the International Taekwondo Federation article. Instead, there are simply links to those two articles. The ITF philosophy section needs some cleanup, though. Omnedon (talk) 03:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ranks, Belts and Promotions comments

On reading through this article I found there are some minor errors in the Ranks, Belts and Promotions section:

The WTF/Kukkiwon standards do not mention the title "Grandmaster" in any of their documentation. This is a traditional title and is used by convention and courtesy for those holding a 7th Dan or higher but has no official status.

The title of Master is used for those who have obtained the rank of at least 4th Dan. In the official Kuk-Ki-Won Textbook (Oh-Sung Publishing Co., Sept. 20, 1995 English Edition) the term "master" is used interchangeably with the term "instructor" but there is no direct association with any specific rank. The title of Master is also generally only used with adults. The WTF/Kuk-Ki-Won does not recognize a 5th Poom (junior black belt). The rank of 4th Poom is not officially recognized in their documentation but certifications for this rank have been granted in recent years.

The title of "Sabumnim" (instructor) is a courtesy traditionally used for an adult instructor holding a 4th degree or higher. It is usually associated primarily with the senior instructor or school owner in a setting where there are multiple individuals with ranks considered master's level. The WTF/Kuk-Ki-Won has no test or certification requirement for this title.

--CharmsDad (talk) 18:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC) However , in the ITF, the title "instructor" is only permitted for use by those with the 4th degree international instructor certificate and above. A master is he who holds the 7th-8th degree black belt and the Grandmnaster is a 9th degree black belt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.59.110.104 (talk) 14:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Competition Section Comments

The section on WTF sparring section also has errors. For both junior (14-17 years old) and senior competitions each match consists of three 2 minute rounds with a 1 minute break between each round. (WTF Competiton Rules: http://www.wtf.org/site/rules/competition.htm) This was set for all matches except male finals with the 2001 revision and applied to male finals with the 2003 revision. These changes were prior to the introduction of both the 7 point gap rule and 12 point cap rule (both introduced with the 2005 revision.)

In the event of a tie score at the end of the third round a 4th "sudden death" 2 minute round will begin after a one minute rest. The first athlete to score in the 4th round wins the match. If, at the end of the 4th round, the score is still tied then the officials will decide the winner based on initiative shown in the 4th round.

In addition, the article makes a reference to the referee counting but does not indicate that if a 10 count is reached before the athlete indicates he/she is ready to continue then the match is over and the other athlete wins by knockout.

CharmsDad (talk) 06:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)