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[edit] List Japanese voice actors first

Tachikoma's Japanese voice actress must be listed before the English dub actresses. Whether or not you consider the dub to be a bastardization of the director's original vision, it is indisputable that the original voice actress is closer to the project's heart; moreover, anyone who's watched the series knows that the dub fakers are merely aping the original actress's inflections. Don't fall victim to the American animé-related media's attempts to insinuate that domestic distributors are somehow a part of the creative process: it's Japanese animation, and everything that happens after it leaves Japan is clumsy reconstruction by those without the cultural input that makes the original such a cohesive product.

[edit] Season2 Episode26

Template:Spoiler In Season 2 episode 26, Just prior to the destruction of the satellite containing the Tachikoma's AI, there is a breif scene whre one Tachikoma is labeling a data item "Tachikoma's All Memory" and placing it inside the space they created on the 'net for holding the ghosts of the refugees. If the writers of the show were so inclined, this could be used as a justification for the Tachikomas to return. It might not be entirely correct to say they have been permanently destroyed. Smidge204 16:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Good point. I changed it to just "destroyed". -- Megamix? 16:57, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
...and I just spelt it right out. without reading this of course, that's my signature now. --06:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why was this removed?

"It seems that the use of natural oil in Batou's personal Tachikoma (all other units used synthetic lubricant) acted as a catalyst for the behavorial anomalies that began to manifest as sentience. The Major (Motoko Kusanagi) subsequently banned the use of natural oil prior to the later decision to halt deployment of Tachikomas in field ops.

I have all episodes on disk at home. If you can prove this is not fact, please do so.

I'm placing this back in the article.

BDKR

Actually, it was moved to the Stand Alone Complex section, rather than under the unwieldy title. -- Megamix? 23:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

OK. Thanx!

BDKR

But that starts the interesting debate and philosofical discussion.

They have different bodies but the same memories, do they have the same ghost?

I think that was a theme in season 2 aswell, with all the refugees that were supposed to die.

[edit] Merger Tachikoma/Fuchikoma

  • Oppose both articles are long 70.51.11.121 06:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Umibozu, Paradox and Localisation distinctions

Umibozu is not the name of the Armour Suit. Umibozu refers to the name given to the regiment of elite naval troops to whom the suit's operators and accompanying foot troops and helicopters belong - Batou speaks of having run across them during his time in the jungle during WW IV, I think. The suit is referred to in that episode as a Type 24 Armour Suit, and earlier (episode 21) a similar suit is labelled as a Type-303 Armour Suit.

Regarding the seperate characters paradox: surely the point of this scene is to illustrate the different ways an independent consciousness can subjectively interpret the same facts and experiences? Is the disparity of opinions not caused by the discussion itself?

My other concern is with the part which talks about them having distinct personalities. I prefer Japanese with subs to English dubs, and in the Japanese language version all Tachikomas are voiced by the same seiyuu (Sakiko Tamagawa). There should therefore be a qualifier added to this section that the distinction between Tachikoma voices only occurs in the English version, as having distinct voices makes these sections more character-driven and in my eyes takes some attention from the purely philosophical angle of their discussions. From my point of view, this whole paragraph seems more opinion than fact anyway, if only in writing style (can't comment on interpretation as I haven't heard the English voice track). I shall be editing soon to deal with these things, unless anyone objects particularly violently. YourMessageHere 01:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge: Ghost in the Shell: Tachikoma Days to Tachikoma

Ned Scott proposes that Tachikoma Days be merged with Tachikoma.
  • I'm Opposed to the suggested merger, because this is an article about a Tachikoma, not about a TV series. 70.51.8.73 05:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Tachikoma Days was never a TV series.. this anon has "opposed" just about everything I have suggested with GITS, and I really don't know why. Articles can have more than one exact subject, especially when the additional subject is highly related to the first subject. I think a reader trying to find info about Tachikoma Days wouldn't have any problems finding that info in the Tachikoma article. Tachikoma Days is a DVD extra that featured the Tachikomas doing cute little Tachikoma things. Sounds like it's subject appropriate to me. In any case, Tachikoma Days is too thin for it's own article and simply needs a home. -- Ned Scott 06:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I decided to be bold and merge the two articles anyways. After cutting the speculation and badly written sentences out of the article, it was even smaller.. All links are updated, and thinks look pretty good. -- Ned Scott 06:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia for Tachikoma Days

I remember downloading and watching some episodes, I have no idea which ones but I'm sure they're the ones at the end of the 2nd season, that pay homage and spoof the popular manga, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, with the ZA WARUDO thing.

I think it should be added to the trivia section.

Something else that should be added to the Tachikoma trivia page, is the opening, resembles that film company with the roaring lion at the beginning of the movies is a homage to it.

I dont know enough about it to add it, and I don't know enough about what episode was it in or Jojo's BIzzare Adventure to add the stuff. I hope someone reads this and adds it though.

I think the trivia section must go. I'm going to put some of the things into the 'Tachikomatic Days' section later, but stuff like 'Ta-n-chi-ko-ku-ma' being an anagram for 'Tachikoma-kun' is just plain useless. number29 19:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


Isn't the definition of Trivia; Useless Information? Just playing devil's advocate. May 7th 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.105.153.44 (talk) 20:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Uchikoma?

The term Uchikoma has been thrown around a couple of times in reference to a Tachickoma/Fuchikoma hybrid. I'm questioning if any such thing exists. I would assume that the existance of such a thing is derived from the last episode of Stand Alone Complex Second Gig, when Section 9 is waiting out at some random house after killing Gouda, and are seen with some think tanks. If this is where the notion of Uchikoma came from, then clearly there has been some misunderstanding. This last episode corresponds to the start of the manga series and the tanks are clearly the Fuchikoma of the rest of the series. It also occurs to me that the pronounciation of Fuchikoma could have led to some confusion. Also, to make things perfectly clear, SAC comes before the manga series proper. Unless someone can describe another location from whence the term Uchikoma came, I submit that we should remove reference of it from all related articles.

To say that it comes before the manga is somewhat incorrect, because, unless the series now retcons the manga to push its continuity back 2 years, they're still two seperate timelines. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that season 1 starts in 2029 and the timeline goes on for at least a year or so up to the end of the second season. The comic begins in 2029 and goes up through 2030, with the second series taking place in about 2035-2036. 209.248.160.82 20:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Uchikomas

If you actually compare the designs of the Fuchikoma, the Tachikoma and the Uchikoma, you will see that they are three clearly distinct machines. Fuchis are red with asymetrical faces featuring round lenses framed by tubing. They also have chunky legs and a flat rear pod. Tachis are blue with white domes for "eyes". They have shapely legs, a distinctly saucer shaped body and a high rear pod. Uchikomas are a grey hybrid of the two. The face is a Tachi style eye dome surrounded by Fuchi style tubing. The Uchi body is the Tachikoma saucer, but with asymetrical attachements. The rear pod is flatened like the Fuchi's, but the legs are those of a Tachi.

Furthermore, GITS SAC is NOT in the same timeline as the manga. In the manga, Togusa only has one child, but in GITS SAC he has TWO. In the manga Batou feeds natural oil to his "own personal" Fuchikoma, which later causes mechanical problems with that Fuchi. In GITS SAC Batou feeds natural oil to his "own personal" Tachikoma, which causes problems in all of their AIs. etc... etc...

[edit] It's "Tachikomatic Days", not "Tachikoma Days"

The official US English title for Tachikoma na Hibi is Tachikomatic Days.

From the official Bandai Entertainment website: http://www.bandai-ent.com/products/product_details.cfm?id=330 http://www.bandai-ent.com/products/product_details.cfm?id=376

Press Release: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/pressrelease.php?id=519

  • Yep, I've confirmed this. On the back of the DVDs it also says 'Tachikomatic Days'. I will change all references to 'Tachikomatic Days'. - kollision 10:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Model Kit

This should be in the article. [1] Shrumster 10:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It is Uchikoma, NOT Fuchikoma!

I don't buy this "she really says Fuchikoma" business for a second. Firstly, Atsuko Tanaka doesn't generally drop her F when pronouncing "ふ" in the rest of the series, and anyway, pronunciation is just as variable between speakers and dialects, and no more of an ironclad rule, in Japanese than in any other language. Second, as the above writer states, Uchikomas are visibly neither Tachikomas not Fuchikomas. Thirdly and most clearly, the heading, and picture descriptions by the original artist, on the pages containing original artwork in the Tokyo Hobby Mook artbook that accompanies the second series, quite clearly read "ウチコマ" - Uchikoma. I therefore conclude that it was always meant to be Uchikoma and it is Manga Entertainment and Bandai, not Laughing Man Fansubs, who are in the wrong (as normal - their subs for the 1995 film have demonstrable elementary errors too). However it IS certainly worth pointing out the similarity in design between Uchikoma and Fuchikoma. Rewriting, here and elsewhere. YourMessageHere 08:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Solid State Society multi coloured tachikoma's

the colours on the tachikoma's, from what i can remember, is from the end of stand alone complex were they were all sold off to different places and presumably got repainted to suit, most of them got destroyed or lost or decommissioned and the three that were remaining "died" saving batou from that guy in the big armor suit, so the colours are because they were there last forms prior to them "dieing" and not the majors lenience. dunno about the names tho, Japaneses subs can be hard to follow sometimes and it was a while ago that i watched it. Balthazar 03:55, 26 October 2007 (UCT)

This is incorrect, the colors and different bodies of the ones the major was using were not even similar to how the ones that died saving Batou appeared. Also, I am inclined to believe that the ones who died saving Batou were never revived, as in 2nd gig when they reconstruct the tachikomas, they only said they had rebuilt the ones who were dismantled in the lab, and seeing as they weren't using the satellite, their ghosts would have died with the destruction of their physical bodies containing the AI, rather then being preserved by the scientists dismantling them (only 3 were not dismantled and died saving Batou, so it would be easy not to notice 3 tachikomas missing in the second season). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.147.94 (talk) 22:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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