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[edit] Cleanup

Wow...I really think that this article should get cleaned up. Irunwithscissors 01:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Clean-Up Template added. Hoodie 01:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vocal Effect

The effect that T-Pain famously uses is called pitch Correction; it's not a vocoder.

it's the same thing. Pitch Correction (or "Auto-tune" as it is called by professionals) is another form of vocoding. If you have a problem with the article, though, you can change it yourself. Human historian 02:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

What is your source for this? Sounds like a vocoder to me, the effect is not only on the part of the envelope where note changes are present, it's there when the note is held also. Autotune is rarely, if ever, used to produce this type of effect, although this misconception has nearly reached urban legend status. Eli lilly 00:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

It is in fact Antares Auto-Tune 4. A vocoder requires 2 inputs, a vocal input and a synthesizer input. It is not a talk box either.

Now that we've learned how many inputs a vocoder requires, what relevance does that have? Eli lilly 16:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The effect T-Pain uses is auto-tune. His engineer Scrappy, uses the effect per the request of T-Pain. Antares 4.0 is the software version.

someone has it down as "talk-box". it is most definately auto-tune, and is absolutely without a doubt a talk-box. someone PLEASE fix it. if you read the articles on auto-tune and vocoder you can see that it is not a vocoder --24.46.127.252 03:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

So it's definitely auto-tune and absolutely without a doubt a talk box? Eli lilly 01:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, in absence of a clearly citeable reference, I've listed the vocal effect generically as an envelope follower. This class of circuit is the basis behind a talk box, a vocoder, and even Antares Auto-Tune. Eli lilly 01:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please put this info back up. It's important. I mean it's sad that people can fund certain info on youtube but not on wikipedia. So someone please put the info back up, It actually did cause a little bit of contreversy but not alot. Still, the informtaion is important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.85.49 (talk) 16:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Common confusions of vocal effects

Actually,

an envelope follower has nothing to do with pitch in music technology. "Envelope follower", not to be confused with "pitch envelope", as its name says follows envelope. In audio and music engineering, envelope is the amplitude information. (see ADSR envelope) Envelope followers are used in vocoders to extract amplitude information of a particular frequency band. However, it is just one component out of many which are needed for the modulation process. Modulation (found mostly in vocoders) is different from pitch correction. T-Pain uses Pitch Correction. (pitch correction software/hardware i.e pitch (as in frequency not amplitude)follower and corrector)The most used pitch correction software tools are Antares Autotune and Avox, Celemony Melodyne, Serrato Pitch'n'time, Waves Tunes etc.. The realtime software analyzes the pitch information contained in the human voice(live or recorded). Then, according to the user's harmonic scale settings or notes that the user hits on a keyboard, the pitch is corrected thus creating a corrected version of the original vocal line. It is also possible to control vibrato and formant of the resulting voice to a certain degree. The application was originally used to subtly correct pitch in faulty background vocals and occasionally lead vocals . With extreme settings you can achieve pseudo-robotic effects such as T-Pain vocals. A hardware version of Autotune, the AVP also by ala produces the same results. A good old example of extreme pitch correction effect use was the song by Cher "Believe". Without extreme settings, the effect is unnoticeable especially on long held notes. This is due to the fact that if you sing in tune, Autotune disregard the correct pitch. However, to accentuate the effect some artist sing a bit out of tune or the vocals are recorded in perfect pitch then set out of tune on purpose before running it through say Autotune or any other pitch correction software or hardware.

Also, it is not:
1. A vocoder, which requires an input carrier(example: synth) and a modulator(example: human) voice.See Transformers, Kraftwerk, Herbie Hancock.
2. A talkbox, with is a horn driver connect to a tube which is placed in the mouth. A guitar or a synth can be connected to the talkbox. The notes played resonnate in the throat. Intelligibility is achieved by shaping the mouth and lips. See Roger Troutman and Zapp (band), Peter Frampton, Joe Walsh, Teddy Riley (producer).
All three effects are differents. Though their resulting sounds may be similar to an untrained ear, they do differ.

Often artists (including T-pain himself), producers, musicians and just unaware people call any effect that produces a semi-robotic voice a vocoder. However, it is incorrect. I say semi-robotic because robotic voices would be something like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit" or Afrika Bambaataa's "Planet Rock (song)" (borrowed from Kraftwerk) which were accomplished using vocoders.beatnframes10 August 2007

In an article published in Sound On Sound the engineer on Cher's "Believe" said that the effect was a vocoder that was cut in on certain syllables. To the untrained ear it may sound like the Antares offerings, I suppose. Your comment is an interesting read but you really provide no concrete evidence that the T=Pain effect is auto-tune versus a vocoder. Eli lilly (talk) 01:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure what article you are reading but the one I have in front of my eyes reads: "...The focus of what has turned from a purely technical pursuit into an ethical debate — one that's played out on the pages of general-interest media as well as in the audio trades — is not so much the digital audio workstation as it is the third-party plug-in from Antares Audio Technologies, Auto-Tune. The device — which had a parallel hardware version used live by Cher ". This can be found at http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct03/articles/vocalfixes.htm Also here : http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb99/articles/tracks661.htm you'll find this disclaimer: "STOP PRESS! Historical Footnote

Cher's 'Believe' (Dec 1998) was the first commercial recording to feature the audible side-effects of Antares Auto-tune software used as a deliberate creative effect. The (now) highly recognisable tonal mangling occurs when the pitch correction speed is set too fast for the audio that it is processing and it became one of the most over-used production effects of the following years.

In February 1999, when this Sound On Sound article was published, the producers of this recording were apparently so keen to maintain their 'trade secret' process that they were willing to attribute the effect to the (then) recently-released Digitech Talker vocoder pedal. As most people are now all-too familiar with the 'Cher effect', as it became known, we have maintained the article in its original form as an interesting historical footnote."

I hope that clarifies the whole Cher's vocoder myth. It is not a vocoder and has always been Autotune. Keep in mind a lot of producers and artists do not divulge the exact name of the tool they used to achieve a coveted sound.Which is quite understandable. It won't be too long until we find out T-Pain's exact pitch correction tool name.It doesn't matter whether it is Autotune or Melodyne. It's still pitch correction not vocoding. beatnframes18 November 2007

Never mind my last comment, here's T-Pain himself talking about Autotune. http://www.missinfo.tv/?p=240 (pardon the language on that site but the audio clip is all you need) This was on the Angie Martinez show. In short, he explains how people at first used to make fun of him for using Autotune, and now rappers are biting his style by using it on their records. Can't be more concrete than that. beatnframes18 November 2007

[edit] Deletion of Talk Page comments

The talk page comments mysteriously got deleted in a vandalism revert. I restored the ones that were appropriate. RJaguar3 01:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

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Someone deleted it again. I fixed it and put a warning on the user page. ≈Alessandro ♫ T • C 16:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed unsourced info

The following has been removed per Wikipedia guidelines for biographies.

T-Pain has collaborated with other known producers for Britney Spears' upcoming album, due in 2007
T-Pain appeared on a SOHH.com interview where he described Ray J's penis as "a huge meat." He then followed the awkward conversation with a "no homo," so his sexuality is almost saved.

If someone can source this information, it would be appreciated.

http://www.freshflixx.com/channel/sohh-tv/index.php?bcpid=376530222&bclid=440748065&bctid=932505959 hows that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.20.202.239 (talk) 05:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. RJaguar3 | u | t 18:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sales figures

I'm not sure if I'm doing it right, but how does one compute the sales figures from the power indices given at [1]? RJaguar3 | u | t 18:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The one about TPain commenting about RayJ's sexual organ is false. I have done some research on SOHH.com and other websites and it proved to be false. DJ Felli Fel (talk) 06:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Beef

So, who's joke was it to put the comments about Ray J's genetalia under a section titled Beef and Controversy? 71.206.65.170 18:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

HE IS MUSLIM

[edit] Picture

You can barely see T-Pain in the current picture. I think a close up picture would be more appropriate as to identifying who T-Pain is.

Musicaldemon 17:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please unlock this page

There are several important details and updates that need to be added to this page. For instance, a mention of Ray-J's sex tape would be very appropriate to the discussion of T-Pain's comments on Ray-J's genitalia. Otherwise they seem out of place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.64.155.239 (talk) 17:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

You mean Genitals, correct? Ellomate (talk) 00:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Oakleys?

Isn't he sponsored by Oakley Sunglasses or something? He's always wearing them, and I know he raps about oakley shades in buy u a drank. Wikifried (talk) 15:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

They are making a new line for him. There's a piece of vandalism that says T-pain is a disgrace to Islam i think this should be fixied —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohbehave (talk • contribs) 00:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Umm i think something should be mentioned about his signature style in his music videos. He typically wears a top hat with a specific pair of (usually) white shades, could be oakleys. Also, for some reason he has a giant old school cell phone in a few of his videos. (i can't wait w/ akon, and she got it). -db —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.54.233.114 (talk) 22:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] a Muslim?

well,i'm sure he was born a muslim,but i'm not sure if he actually practices the faith, what im trying to say is...i'm not sure that he is a religious person since he often mentions drinking alcohol, buying alcohol,etc. in his songs (islam forbids consuming any sort of alcoholic drinks as far as i know). Shabi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.144.13 (talk) 21:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] T-Pain featuring Ruslana "Moon of Dreams"

There is a song , "Moon of Dreams" by T-Pain featuring European super star Ruslana. It will be released as single in february/march 2008. Could someone add this info about it on this page?

Here is the video clip teaser:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmsZR_lt8iU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.105.209.78 (talk) 23:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Its Tallagussa, not Tallaphuson

He is saying from the planet tallagussa in his song "Time Machine", so please change that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.60.196.100 (talk) 07:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Age

Bold text T-pain look like he is mad old to be rapping and singing.But he looked alright in the video with Lil'Mama,I guess because the image in the back and all the stuff happening they bearly showed him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niya princess (talk • contribs) 15:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Onion

http://www.theonion.com/content/statshot/what_is_recording_artist_t Read it in the print edition, laughed out loud. Would this deserve a mention in the article? 141.155.34.178 (talk) 04:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The Onion is a site that uses satire and is not literal news, don't read too much into anything it says. To answer your question, no. — Κaiba 10:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] T-Pain's Songs

People do not think if a song that has auto tune in it, its t-pain. Well dont try assuming it is. Listen to T-Pains real songs and you can tell if it is T-Pain or not. For example, the song "Sin ft. T-Pain - Boom" that is not t-pain. Another song "Chopper Young City ft. T-Pain - Again" that is an another song that is not t-pain. Theres alot of songs out there that people think its t-pain. Well get it right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Souljaboyandrew (talk • contribs) 05:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Main Man

T-Pain's true friend Olistide Voltaire has been there for him in his hard times in Tallahassee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.2.146.165 (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Awards

T-pain Won a grammy award for good life with kanye west at the Grammies for best Rap song —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.245.79 (talk) 23:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)