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...currently in an unidentified private collection? Wetman 22:37, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)~

[edit] Tartaria tablets

I made some research on reading these Tartaria tablets.Absolutely all elementary signs on them can be found among different ancient alphabets.I wonder how so few realised this.I do not understand why highly specialised schollars got near zero output on this matter.These tablets were written using : the round-one mostly old-canaanite and phoenician letters;and the squared-one,anatolian alphabets (in principal lycian). It is showing a clear phase when writing systems were not stabilised,or not finished.

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET,UPPER HALF (quadr.no.3 on the left side and no.2 on the right side) Din Carolus Lundius www.dacia.org/lundius/clundius-eng.html <<Yet I do not doubt, there are certain people to consider what I have done less than correct, due to the fact that speaking about the beginning of laws with the Getae, I am referring in the first place to SAMOLSE (as this being the proper spelling of his name); they strongly believing that our erudite people would have inspired from the Greek letters, but the Getic letters, already invented and used then, the Greeks did not take from us, according to our ancient history and our wise men skilled in old writers’ literature, by such kind of persons, they wouldn’t be deemed as such; we would not give a dime for such persons, and the judgement of the posterity would condemn them - and they deserve to be condemned unanimously; this, because about SAMOLSE’s style (thus, THE GETIC WRITING PRE-EXISTED THE GREEK ONE ) we have in evidence the authority of certain ancient historians writing down everything in every clearness. >>

Imagine: http://www.gk.ro/sarmizegetusa/inedite/tartaria_02.jpg

Cadr 2 (situat in sfertul dreapta-sus),semne: ++++ = S S? ZZ? ("DDOC"?) sau/or "D b o c" c Citiri posibile:su,sos,seus,suis,suus.. (tu,al tău propriu/YOUR OWN...seus=ZEUS)

SITUAŢIA 1 :semnele "D" sînt litere" D" /D signs as D letters. (De DeOS/De DiOS?); Di Vos;deibos,deivos (DEIVOS=ceresc,divin ;de deos :"de la un zeu")

Din Aspects of the language of Latin Prose http://books.google.ro/books?id=N9o-jJJqOSIC&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=latin+divos&source=web&ots=szN9SSyn6l&sig=bR-uOA6DR6dsviXNRbV5nrQTUQI&hl=en#PPA149,M1 <<Page 141 Forms of this pronoun (in most instances masculine or feminine accusative, sam sum sos sas) are well attested in the Twelve Tables and in Ennius,69 though ... Page 149 Sos is an old conjecture, but limited though our knowledge of the so- pronoun in Latin may be, it seems unlikely that it could be used in this way as an equivalent of the Greek definite article, any more than the other Latin demonstratives could (*// praesentes for 'those present' is, of course, bad Latin)....>> Din A grammar of the latin language http://books.google.ro/books?id=vosAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA242&lpg=PA242&dq=sub+divo&source=web&ots=dJPjbAWP31&sig=bP_P0KRewAi24RnclZpevnRUCL0&hl=en#PPA243,M1 <<Page 242 Sub, with the ablative, is always " under;" first, with regard to things that strike our senses; anil, secondly, to denote inferiority in rank : sub divo,or sub dio,under the sky,under the open air;… ...>> See also:Greek and Mideastern-European Languages - KOINONIA Greek Forum www.ellopos.net/elpenor/koinonia/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=124 << Likewise the Latin DIVUS originally means High [or sky-summit]; "sub divo" = "under the sky. ... Zeus, Apollon, and others are gods, namely theoi in Greek. ...>>

Din Littell's Living Age/Volume 143/Issue 1845/The Supreme God in the ... http:// en.wikisource.org/.../Volume_143/Issue_1845/The_Supreme_God_in_the_Indo-European_Mythology <<Lastly, the very name of Zeus (genitive Dios, formerly Divos) is, ... sub Jove signifies "under the heavens;" the bunter awaits the Marsian boar, ...>>

Din Latin Language. Phrases, Sayings etc. - Discite iustitiam moniti ... www.inrebus.com/index.php?entry=entry071111-064525 << Discite iustitiam moniti et non temnere DIVOS! - Having been warned, study justice and learn not to despise THE GODS! This line appears over the entrance to ...>>

Din MySpace.com - Shida-bida - 31 - Female - Brooklyn, NEW YORK - www ... http:// profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=211329 << I AM: A DIVA (taken from the latin word "divos" meaning "goddess" or "divine being") Ummm....hmmm, I don't know, you tell me if I missed something. ...>>

Din Glossary of latin terms http://www.bible-history.com/latin/latin_d.html <<dido didere dididi diditum, to divide, distribute, spread round. dius -a -um, divine, god-like; hence fine, noble; also (apparently) out of doors, in the open air. divus -a -um: as adj., divine or deified; as subst., m. a god and f. a goddess (often as epithet of dead and deified emperors); 'sub divo'(neuter), in the open air.>> Din Converted WP file 1viera www.ibiblio.org/sergei/Zaroff/ <<The name of a common proto-Indo-European sky deity derives from a word "deivos" - heavenly, and who was known in a form "Dyaus". ...>>

Din Mars Hill Symposium » The Celts http:// mhsymp.com/?p=101 <<These progenitors of the Indo-European people that are the descendants the Celts grew ..... “The true derivation is from dagos, ‘good’, and deivos, ‘god’… ...>>

Din Marvel's Tyr [Archive] - Jinxworld Forums www.606studios.com/bendisboard/archive <<1) His name goes back to an Indo-European root meaning, first "heavenly ... hero), and such names as Dyaus, Sius, Zeus, Deivos, Dagda, and Jupiter. ...>>

Din CHAPTER IV www.crvp.org/book/series04/iva-17/chapter_iv.htm <<Earlier Dievas or Deivas simply denoted the shining dome of the sky, cf. ancient Indian deva ‘god’ and dyazts ‘sky’, Latin deus and dies, originating from ...>>

Din Latin translation http://en.allexperts.com/q/Latin-2145/latin-translation-12.htm <<As for your question [would " A GOD " be as " a deus " or " caelestis "?], I must tell you that ‘a deus' is wrong because the indefinite article, as well as the definite one, does not exist in Latin where we use the plural (DEOS in the accusative, in this context) to indicate ‘A GOD'.>>

Situaţia Nr.2 Semnele "D" reprezintă literele "R"/D signs as R letters;Citiri posibile:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

araroo,araros,aroros,arouros:"pământ,pământesc,arătură,arat"?aro-ros:"plugar-ţară" roros/etr.(ca şi latinul"ruros") :"DE LA ŢARĂ,RURAL"/FROM THE COUNTRYSIDE,RURAL (cadr.3,:hora/horae:"timp/anotimpuri").

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Nota. Acelaşi roros,(împreună cu "ro")/etr. înseamnă şi,ambele:"rouă,(umezeală?)"

Din Etruscan_Phrases by Mel Copeland Table 1, Section 1C.1: Indo-European words as they relate to Etruscan. http://www.maravot.com/Indo-European_Table1C.1.html <<Lat:roro-are, to drop dew, drip, be moist;R O S, roris [m] Engl:dew,moisture Etr.:ro, ru (rv), ror, rur (rvr) ;roras, ruras (rvras) Lat.:RURO-are,to live in the country Engl.:rural? Etr.:ror,roras,ROROS,rurus (rvrvs) Lat.:rus, ruris, the country, farm,estate; Engl.country Etr.:R O S, rus (rvs) ;rusa (rfsa) but probably resa >>

Din Arcadocypriot Greek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadocypriot << Arcadocypriot or southern Achaean is one of the Ancient Greek dialects , which .... with straws' σωρὸς σίτου σὺν ἀχύροις (Homeric,Ionic ἄρουρα aroura earth) ...>>

Din DODONA: Human Biodiversity Discussion Forum - Your short comments ... http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=philosophy&action=display&thread=1076293592&page=2 <<The latin language related to the Greek language. ... Aryan is used by the Ancient Greeks to describe their selves as indigenous,by the "Aroura"=EARTHLY. ...>> Din http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9903&L=indo-european&D=1&F=P&P=23024 <<aro "hoop" s. XIII ARRABAL [suburb], [c] port. 1258. occ. 883 < ¿pre-rom IE *AROS "rueda, CIRCULO? [c] -arra, -ARRO, arda-, ardo- pre-Roman suffix [rl, wje] "Western Mediterranean" also found in Sardinian also in Sicilian geonyms Ukkara, Indara, Aipára, perhaps in Latin words such as acerra "INCENSE BOX," subarra & vacerra "post, log." [lrp] ARROYO "STREAM" 775 < arrugia pre-rom "galería de mina donde circula agua" [c, rl] < rôgia, rûgia [wje] see Fr. ruisseau "stream" [wje] Friulan roie "stream" [wje] Piedmontese roia [wje] Italian rugia "watercourse" < "Alpine," Ligurian or Rhaetic [bm] >>hoop:"cerc,obadă" Cadranul 3;semne&signs: "H","D"(sau:"H","P"?) >>litere&letters:"H","R"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (hor?)HORA/HORAE: " T I M P , A N O T I M P U R I(TIME,SEASONS) "  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAR:"FARMEC,dar,bucurie"  ? Hera:"doamna";"PROTECTOARE"?

Din View as HTMLHERA. (Roman equivalent Juno). Meaning LADY and PROTECTRESS. www.articleserver.info/MYTH28/Gods/Hera/HeraBuckhartMcCon.pdf <<Another etimology is the connection to “hora” meaning season, and can be interpreted as “ripe for marriage”>>"doamnă";"PROTECTOARE";"coaptă pentru căsătorie"

Notă.Cum se face,cum nu se face,cercetătorul italian Marco Merlini,/care a scris cartea "scrisul este născut în Europa?",şi care susţine că foarte multe din înşiruirile de smne de pe artefactele neolitice ale culturilor Vinca şi altele,reprezintă de fapt scris.(atenţie! Scrisul în general, cuprinde o arie mai largă decît scrisul alfabetic!)/ poate printr-o inspiraţie fenomenală (de fapt este mult mai multă muncă,a se vedea reluarea cercetărilor de către dînsul privind tot ceea ce ţine de Tăbliţa de la Tărtăria),a denumit femeia a cărui schelet a fost găsit lîngă plăcuţă "Mylady of Tărtăria" (Domnişoara de la Tărtăria")

A se vedea: porocilo XXXII.qxd New arcaeological data refering to Tartaria tablets Gh. lazarovici marco Merlini http://arheologija.ff.uni-lj.si/documenta/pdf32/32lazarovici1.pdf

Din Earl Palmer "The Search For Joy" http://www.csec.org/csec/sermon/palmer_3828.htm <<The word in Greek, CHARA, is the root word for another great word in the New Testament that the apostle Paul uses and as one of his love vocabulary words, charis, or as translated into English, grace. The word probably really means SURPRISE GIFT.>>chara:”plăcere,bucurie","DAR-surpriză" ?

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?(cadr.3) CHORA:"ţară/country" (cadr. 2) :sus/suis/suus ROROS :"al tău de la ţară"/yours countryside/rural.

Din Speaking in tongues http://www.piney.com/TonguesDialects.html

<<chrêstêrios [chraô3] of or from an oracle, oracular, prophetic, Aesch., Eur.; Apollon chrêstêrie author of oracles, Hdt. chrauô to S C R A P E, graze, wound slightly, hon rha te poimên chrausêi Il.; cf. enchrauô, epichraô. >>

Din Chresmomancy http://www.webspinning.com.au/home/lambertj/public_html/c.man.html <<Defined by Gibson as "divination from the utterances of a person in a frenzy".

Greek chresmos an oracular pronouncement, a prophecy. Itself a derivative of the Greek CHRAO TO PRONOUNCE,TO PROCLAIM,TO GIVE A NEEDFUL ANSWER, stemming from a basic meaning "TO FURNISH WHAT IS NEEDFUL". The given definition is referring to the fact that ancient Greek oracles used to go into a state of divine frenzy in order to gain information from the gods so that they might make an oracular statement. A better definition would seem to be "oracular divination".>>

Din http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STRGRK55.htm << chra chera khay'-rah feminine of a presumed derivative apparently from the base of casma - chasma 5490 through the idea of deficiency; A WIDOW (as lacking a husband), literally or figuratively:--W I D O W. craw chrao khrah'-o probably the same as the base of craomai - chraomai 5530; to loan:--lend. creia chreia khri'-ah from the base of craomai - chraomai 5530 or crh - chre 5534; employment, i.e. an affair; also (by implication) occasion, D E M A N D, requirement or destitution:--business, lack, necessary(-ity), need(-ful), use, WANT. >> chrauô:"A ZGÎRIA=(A SCRIE)"!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATENŢIE ,! : ÎN ACELAŞI TIMP CU A FI O "ARĂTARE" A TIMPULUI,

este un SCRIS,>>>>chrau=chrauô :A ZGÎRIA(SCRIS?)

care exprimă o DORINŢĂ >>>>>HREIA  : CERERE,DORINŢĂ

şi care FURNIZEAZĂ CEEA CE ESTE NECESAR>>>>>CHRAO

In the same time as "showing the time and seasons" HORA,the tablet is a chrauô "scrape(writing" wich express a HREIA"want/desire" and in the same time is functioning as a charm (CHARA,rom.HAR)and could CHRAO "furnish all is necessary".

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rau Eugen Timisoara eugen_rau@hotmail.com eugen_rau@yahoo.com eugenrau@gmail.com

Pure speculation.--Mazarin07 10:02, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Eugen. Newcomers often do as you did above, but Wikipedia talk pages should be for discussing changes to the article or comments intended to affect the content of the article directly, not merely pertaining to the subject matter (for example, on Talk:Cigarette, I shouldn't just talk about cigarettes, but preferably relate it to the article Cigarette directly). Alexander 007 07:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

In fact, your post can be interpreted as spam (by calling it spam, I do not pass judgment on its merits, merely implying that the only purpose of your post seems to be to direct people to your blogs and your research), and I was about to remove it, but I did not want to be rude. Alexander 007 07:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Spam is too harsh a word, I dont think it was deliberate advertisement, more along the lines of original research. HuronKing

[edit] Mazarin's decipherment

These are not writings!

1. We did decide to go on hunting.
2. We followed the foot-marks in the forest. (Or: five of us followed the foot-marks)
3. We managed to kill the (two?) prey animals, with the bow (using two arrows?)
4. Back at home we cooked the meat in a cauldron (see the smoke and/or steam raising to the sky), while dancing around. Wow!

The other Tartaria tablets have similar subjects: hunting, prey animals, means of hunting (bow, ambush), tree/forest, means of preparing the meat (skinning knives etc.), and the feast that follows (cauldron, dance). All is like an ancient cartoon! You just need to add the speech balloons.--Mazarin07 09:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

...and exactly how this isn't pure speculation too? Giuseppe86 (talk) 12:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)