Talk:Téméraire class ship of the line

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In reality, there were only two models distinct enough to be categorised as sub-classes - the standard Le Téméraire design of 1782, and the "petit modele" design initiated by Le Pluton in 1803. Naturally, in a class so numerous and built over such a long period, there were a large number of small variations or improvements incorporated as the years rolled by. Rif Winfield (talk) 11:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The subdivision here was taken from the French page, on which it is not justified. As far as I know, the Pluton sub-class is clearly the most significant one (and also subject to criticism by users, if I remember correctly). I would certainly support specific attention to this question, and changes if necessary.

On another matter, please don't put articles in French ship names. Articles are not part of the name, except in a few debatable cases (when the name is an adjective, it could be argued that the name is Le Téméraire for "temerarious one", rather than Téméraire for "Temerarious"). But in general this is not the case: it is definitely Pluton, not Le Pluton. Furthermore, the gender of the adjective is difficult to acertain (can be "Le Ville de Paris" but always "La Couronne", ...), generates mistakes (never could "L'César" occur), and in general looks weird, like one is trying to "sound French" by putting articles, just like Tex Avery makes fun of the Mayflower by writing Ye Mayflower to sound 16th century-ish. Rama (talk) 15:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)