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Contents 1 Source needed asap 2 Oertel 3 Naming 4 Jerzy Lanc

[edit] Source needed asap

I find no mention to the information Molobo added at the English version of town's official website, where it is alledgely sourced. Perhaps it is in the Polish version? Such serious accusations must have a verifiable source to be granted credibility. Please, could you be more specific as to the source used? Thanks, Shauri smile! 20:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the following sentence newly added by Molobo is extremely strange

As Bolsheviks invaded the reborn Polish state, a plebiscite was held in 1920 to determine if Szczytno would join Poland, during which the aggresive measures of Germanisation were intensified. In this circumstances the vote results were to remain as part of Germany.

Bolsheviks according to wiki: "The word "Bolshevik" is sometimes used as a synonym of Communist. It was often used by right-wingers outside the Soviet Union as a derogatory term for left-wingers, not all of whom were necessarily Communists."

"Reborn": Rhetorical personification of the Polish state

"Aggressive": Subjective and often implies a threat or anger

While Molobo said that Germanization increased the national movement against Germany in the 19th century, he now uses the word as implication of brainwashing, as if only because the people were manipulated the vote had had that outcome. Molobo also deleted the sentence "but its inhabitants overwhelmingly voted to remain in Germany". According to the de:BpB the vote in 1920 ended with 97,9% in favour of becoming part of Germany. NightBeAsT 10:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Shauri the usage of term Bolshevik Russia is quite normal in the context of 1920 war.If you don't believe me you can ask Piotrus. --Molobo 12:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Molobo, now that you've accused me of not having read one of your many sources on Anti-Polonism, you haven't read this page - which is little compared with the over 500kb comprising talk:Anti-Polonism including its archives - thoroughly enough to see that it was me who analysed the part of the Bolshevics, not Shauri, who you now even bothered with the same message on her talk page. Anyway, quite honestly, I do not care whether it is "quite normal in the context of the 1920 war", because it is only a detail while the rest is important. NightBeAsT 12:46, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Nope I knew it was you but my responce was to Shauri because she is an admin.I wanted her to know that your responce was implying something not correct.

--Molobo 12:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh yeah sure! C'mon, Molobo, please! I remember the boy who cried "wolf" (if you know the saying). Now if you could please provide sources of your changes that matter? I, too, was unable to find your "facts" in the text of the official site although you said in your edit summary that you "added info from town site". Oh, but I found facts that are on the town site that you deleted. NightBeAsT 16:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

You complained to Shauri trying to imply that I am insulting somebody, I responded to her that this is not the case. Also I already gave you translation of text from Polish page of the town page on the talk, as well information from Polish Encyclopedia on plebiscite

NB:The usage fo Bolshevik is quite normal during the period of Civil War in Russia: http://home.golden.net/~medals/1918-1921war.html The Battle of Warsaw, 1920. Between the 13th and 16th of August, 1920, a battle raged in and around Warsaw between Polish and Bolshevik forces. --Molobo 12:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Information from the town site: http://www.um.szczytno.pl/p.php?po=historia Okres plebiscytu wzmógł agresję zwolenników germanizacji. Dochodziło do napadów i pobić działaczy ruchu polskiego , rozpędzano wiece i spotkania. Po przegranym plebiscycie, mimo nieustającego terroru, w 1922r. powołano do życia Samopomoc Mazurską. Rok później powstała w Szczytnie nowa organizacja - Zjednoczenie Mazurskie i zaczął ukazywać się "Mazurski Przyjaciel Ludu”. Walkę o polską szkołę w pobliskim Piasutnie przypłacił życiem Jerzy Lanc. Direct translation: The time of plebiscite increased the aggression of supporters of Germanisation.Attacks and beatings took place against Polish activists.Meetings and rallies were dispersed by force.After lost plebiscite desite unending terror, in 1922 Masurian Selfhelp was founded.Year later a new organisation was founded Masurian Unity and a newspaper called was edited Masurian Folk Friend.The fight for polish school in nearby Piastun costed the life of Jerzy Lanc. --Molobo 12:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Polish encyclopedia(this is a normal encyclopedia that has been copied to internet) on the plebiscite in Mazury: http://encyklopedia.pwn.pl/58502_1.html Plebiscyt na Warmii i Mazurach odbył się VII 1920 w okresie ofensywy bolszewickiej na Warszawę, toteż większość głosujących opowiedziała się za przynależnością do Niemiec; Direct translation: Plebiscite on Warmia and Mazury took place on VII 1920 during the bolshevik offensive against Warsaw, that is why most of people decided to belong to Germany. --Molobo 12:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oertel

Does anyone know if this is where the surname Oertel originated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.145.112 (talk) 21:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naming

I think we should add old baltic name "Sedone". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karolis-lt (talk • contribs) 09:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jerzy Lanc

Any details about the death of Jerzy Lanc ? (217.184.150.77 (talk) 14:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC))

I seem to have misplaced my copy of "Na tropach Smętka" (I recently moved), but if I remember correctly he was found dead one day from supposedly gas poisoning. Before that he received many death threats. Let me look for Wańkowicz again. Regards, Space Cadet (talk) 18:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)