Talk:Synthespians™

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. The request appears to be the result of a misunderstanding, and the symbol appears to be an integral part of the title. The current title does not appear to conflict with WP:MOS-TM. Dekimasuよ! 17:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Synthespians™ → Synthespians — I am posting this request on WP:RM since my original move was reverted. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) states that you should not use the ™ and ® symbols, or similar, unless unavoidably necessary for context. We do not add it even when the trademark owner encourages it. We have Realtor instead of "Realtor®", we have Kleenex instead of "Kleenex®", and we have Mighty Morphin Power Rangers instead of "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers™" [1]. So why should this be different? Amazon.com does not use it,[2] so why should we? —Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Oppose The ™ is part of the title, it's not being used in the same sense as the examples above. -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 15:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support per trademarks guidelines. Using the ISBN 0563486171 shows that neither WorldCat nor Amazon have the ^TM. It's a decoration (or a trademark defense), not part of the title. It would be interesting to know which. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose TM is part of the title, the title is not "Synthespians" which has been trademarked, the title is "Synthespians™" and is not a trademark Tim! 16:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose Your argument is flawed; in this case the trademark sign is part of the title itself. HalfShadow 17:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Evidence for this position would be nice. It can go in the discussion below. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose as per reasons given above. -Ebyabe 18:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose as per reasons given above - it's part of the title, not an actual trademark designation. --Brian Olsen 18:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose If it is not a trademark, then the trademark guideline doesn't apply in this case. Chris! _{my talk} 23:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose - The trademark sign is much a part of the name as the accented "e" in Pokémon. - NP Chilla 11:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose The TM is revelent ot the plot of the novel. It's the title, as decided by the ) author.Black Dalek 12:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
• Concur. WP:MOS is very clear about this.— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's not a trademark, so Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) does not apply. It's a book title, and the ™ symbol is part of that title in common English. Andrewa 15:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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Any additional comments:

From: Outpost Gallifrey: Synthespians Update Books July 4, 2004 • Posted By Shaun Lyon As Outpost Gallifrey previously reported, the BBC Books release of Synthespians™ by Craig Hinton was delayed for several weeks as the publishers printed a new cover; the original cover photo was licensed by cover designers Black Sheep, but unfortunately the license agreement specifically stated that it could not be altered (which it was, for the Auton look on the faces). Therefore a new design had to be commissioned. Writer Hinton has provided us with the full wraparound cover illustration, which you can view by clicking on the thumbnail graphic at right; please note that the caption about it being an "Eighth Doctor" adventure has been corrected for the final release: [3] HalfShadow 17:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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This cover is helpful in making the distinction: whereas "Doctor Who" is a real trademark and the TM symbol is not used on the front cover next to that name. "Synthespians" is a made up trade mark and relates to the plot of the novel. Tim! 17:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.