Talk:Symphony No. 7 (Beethoven)

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I've taken this out:

I seem to recall that the 8th Symphony was premiered at the same concert as the 7th was. The 7th rose to popularity much more quickly. When asked why the 7th was so much more appreciated, Beethoven is reported to have replied that it was because the 8th was so much better.

The 7th and the 8th symphonies were premiered in different concerts (7th in 1813, as the article says, the 8th the following year). Perhaps Beethoven said this instead about Wellington's Victory (the Battle Symphony), which was premiered in the same concert as the 7th (as the article says), and which did become very popular at the time. If we can confirm that, it would be a good thing to include in the article around the part where it mentions that Wellington's Victory was a popular success at the time but is now forgotten. --Camembert

I have to object to the reference to Leonard Bernstein in the final paragraph of this article. It is in extraordinarily bad taste. Who the hell knows what Bernstein was thinking while conducting the symphony, what does it matter, and who cares? It is indecorous to speculate on these matters.

The weasel term ("Many have speculated...") suggests that there's no source, and, obviously, an encyclopedia should certainly not engage in speculation of its own based on hearsay. I'm removing it until a source is presented. EldKatt (Talk) 14:53, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I have removed this about the Allegretto (not for the first time): This movement has been desribed as a funeral march, similar to those found in the Eroica Symphony and his Piano Sonata No. 12 in A Flat Major. The movement is not a funeral march, although it has occasionally been mutilated into one, while those in the Eroica and piano sonata are. If this is to be in the article then a reference should be cited, as well as an explanation provided of why it has been so described and why such a description is inappropriate. Does anyone disagree? --RobertG ♬ talk 10:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weber: Ripe for the Madhouse

The following quote has a fact tag on it: Carl Maria von Weber, on the other hand, considered the chromatic bass line in the coda of the first movement evidence that Beethoven was "ripe for the madhouse" -- That's a pretty famous quote. Grove alludes to it in his book, but he says he can't find the quote (though based on other of Weber's quotes he does not doubt it). Anyone have a good reference for that entry. DavidRF 18:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beecham Quote Needs Citation

Encarta has it here: [1]. They don't have a reference for it. It seems weird for one online encyclopedia to cite another, but it appears there should be a citable source out there somewhere. DavidRF 22:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I found one from David Bicknell but I do not know where it was originally published. Let's see who finds out. --Adoniscik^{(t, c)} 21:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dactylic pentameter

In the Allegretto there isn't any dactylic pentameter, but only a repetion of the dactylic foot. In addition, Homer didn't write in dactylic pentameter, but in dactylic hexameter.--Perbeppo (talk) 19:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)