Talk:Symphony No. 3 (Górecki)

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Contents 1 Polish text 2 Sound files 3 Automated Review as per User:Ceoil 4 Sales Figures 5 Holocaust? Rather not. 6 Main Page?

[edit] Polish text

I am looking for the original Polish text of this symphony. Does anyone know where I can get it? Lexiphile 19:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Its reproduced here. Ceoil 16:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sound files

Nice touch, but two observations:

• They do not currently contain important information such as the source of the copyright (year and record label) or performers (at the least, the ensemble, soprano, and conductor).
• The one I listened to was way longer than 30 seconds, which as I understand it runs afoul of fair use.

Chubbles 20:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Given that copyright still very much applies to both the score and the performance (we're talking no earlier than 1970) even 30 seconds might be too much to claim fair use. We should probably remove the sound files altogether. Anton Mravcek 19:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair points. I need to find out the limit of what is acceptable; I'm traveling this week, will be back home in a few days, can shorten the files and add the source credits then. After that I will ask the advice of some of the admins specialising in fair use. Ceoil 17:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. Ceoil 10:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Automated Review as per User:Ceoil

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[edit] Sales Figures

I wonder if we can't find a more recent source for sales figures; I think that, since the Howard article was published, sales may have even hit two million copies. Chubbles 01:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Found one current up to Nov 2002... still at one million. Chubbles 01:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice, but still long, long ago. Ceoil 01:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Holocaust? Rather not.

• the third movement contains christian text
• You know how it is between Poles and Germans
• Górecki was commissioned to write music in response to the Holocaust in the 1960s - Is it sure? 1968 was the time of anti-Jewish propaganda in Communist Poland. Xx236 08:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Quite sure on that last point; Howard discusses this. Chubbles 08:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[1] says that the Symphony was written in 1976 for the Südwestfunk, but doesn't precise the subject. The same German Wikipedia article. So who comissioned in the 1960s? Xx236 09:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sym #3 was written in 1976; he was commissioned to write other works prior to this (one of them was an Anti-War Requiem with Lukas Foss which was never finished). Chubbles 09:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page?

Just wondering if anyone was considering nominating. Chubbles 06:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, never mind. It would be a colossal waste of everyone's time. Chubbles 21:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

And, the process has changed. Ha, ha. Chubbles 21:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

What? Why would it be "a colossal waste of everyone's time"? Anton Mravcek 23:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought it would be fun to have something I worked on be a main-page article, but it's not. Guinea pig was featured today, and I worked on that, but 99% of the some 250 edits it got were vandalism and reverting thereof. Far as I'm concerned, it's better that the page be there for the people who want to read it rather than be a target. Chubbles 23:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you should nominate. What the hell if a few vandals pass by; it will be read (if not edited) by more well than ill intention people. Ceoil 21:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

When I first wrote that, I hadn't realized that the procedure had changed. There is no queue now; there's only a place to request if you wish to have the article featured on a particular date that is significant (like, say, featuring the article on Christmas on December 25th). On other days, the procedure is now that Raul just picks one that hasn't been shown yet, I think. Chubbles 22:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The only issue would be finding a free image. But imageless on the main page would be fine too. Ceoil 19:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)