Talk:Symphony No. 1 (Mahler)

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An anon changed the scoring details from four trumpets and three trombones to five trumpets and four trombones "including a bass trombone". I have changed this back. Looking at my score (a 1943 Boosey and Hawkes edition), I can only find parts for three trombones, and no mention of a bass trombone. I imagine it is common in performance for a bass trombone to double the tuba part, but that's an interpretive decision by the conductor, and there's no mention of this I can see in the score.

The question of trumpets is a bit trickier - there are only four distinct trumpet parts as far as I can see, but at the start of the last movement there is a note next to the trumpet part which says: "1. Trompete im ff doppelt besetzt", which I think probably means that the first trumpet part can be doubled in fortissimo passages, though my German isn't good enough to be sure. If somebody can confirm that this is the meaning, then maybe it's useful to mention that the score sanctions doubling the first trumpet part, but in any event it seems to me misleading to say the piece is written for five trumpets, as this suggests five distinct parts. --Camembert 16:04, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Can't comment on the trumpet situation, but I have a printed 4th trombone part in my possession (will be performing it in a couple weeks). Unlike the other three parts which are multi-page, the 4th bone part is a single page, in bass clef, doubling the last page or so of a lower horn part starting shortly after rehearsal #55, with the range pretty much appropriate for a tenor trombone, and corresponding precisely to the lower of the two "horn reinforcement" parts in the Dover score edition I have. IIRC the 3rd trombone part could be played by large bore Bb/F symphonic tenor or a modern double-valve bass trombone; the group I'm performing with is using a bass. I'd think you'd want/need a contrabass trombone to double a tuba part. --Sommerfeld 21:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Programme

Thx for the nice article. A suggestion: i came looking for the piece's programme, and i assume others would be interested. Hope this helps, "alyosha" (talk) 20:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blumine recordings

Am I in error, but didn't Frank Brieff and the New Haven Symphony Orchestra perform the 1906 revision with the Blumine mov't in '68, and record it under the Odyssey label, prior to the Ormandy RCA recording in the '70's? Paul Engelking 11 March 2007 207.189.188.55 05:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is the reference: Odyssey 32 16 0286. (1968).Paul Engelking207.189.188.55 05:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Ack, confirmed by the complete discography: http://gustavmahler.net.free.fr/symph1.html --FordPrefect42 18:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)