Talk:Sylvin Rubinstein

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I'm working on fixing this article. --Apeloverage 08:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Deletion

I've re-written it so it doesn't copy the Age article. --Apeloverage 07:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

As the reviewing admin, I'm not deleting it, but will keep a watch on it. It is still very much too close to the original; some of the sentences are still the same. It is not acceptable to just go and change the wording--it must be rewritten in your own words and your own style, based upon the account.

It could additionally use some confirming sources. If there are not, it should be indicated that the accounts of the work in the resistance is based upon his own account entirely.DGG (talk) 13:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I received the following message on my talk page:

I received the followed question on my talk page; Could you take a look again at Sylvin Rubinstein? Much, of not most, of it is directly from the webpage [1]. For example, the "Nazi Occupation" section - both of those sentences are directly lifted from the news article. In the "Resistance" section, the paragraphs/sentences that start "It turned out..." and "Werner arranged..." are directly lifted, and that's most of the section that isn't direct quotes from Rubinstein. And before Apeloverage's edit it was even worse. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I have now looked further. First, at the corresponding article in German Wikilpedia, [[2], from which it appears that is based on a German film, " Er Tanzte Das Leben (Dancing His Life), by Marian Czura and Kuno Kruse," in turn based on a book "Kruse, Kuno: Dolores & Imperio. Die drei Leben des Sylvin Rubinstein; Kiepenheuer & Witsch, 2000, Köln. ISBN 3-462-02926-6". They at least truly exists, and are clearly notable, based on the reviews cited in Der Spiegel (English version at [3] ) and other news sources at [4] and [5]. Whether the actual story is factual is another matter entirely. I think the account is likely to be at best semi-fiction. I would need to examine further the German reviews of the book. such as [6] . The IMDB database entries for the film are at [7] for the very brief English and [8] for t he more extensive German. The German amazon entry for the book is at [9]. The book does not appear to have been translated into English.

As for copyvio, examine also the article in [10] (claimed to be by a different author than the one in the theage.com, but almost identical--they are both probably copied from the film website [11], which is not currently working. See also the links in the deWP.

From the history, the article was based primarily on the version at jewlicious.com, and not the German version. At the very least, an article about the film could probably be justified. But someone would have to work on it.

You are a well-established and reliable editor who have worked on a number of different topics, primarily films. Had the author been a newcomer, i would probably have deleted the article immediately. Perhaps you can fix it, based on the above information. If not, i will stubbify it to remove most of the bio , and list the book and the film.DGG (talk) 17:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)