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[edit] "F3 Never Marked" is Incorrect

At the top of this article it says "Although the route was never signed with the F3 route marker (the numbering system was removed in 1982)". This is incorrect because "F3" is actually signposted approximately every 1000metres along the freeway which menas there is around 170 "F3" markers along the freeway. Allthough F3 isn't the official route number for the road, it is the technical identifier for the particular section of National highway. Could everyone please comment before I modify the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.236.204 (talk) 09:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The legend "F3" on the identification signs for the median crossovers is not an F3 route marker.202.93.188.24 (talk) 10:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
There are also numourous road signs along the old pacific highway that say 'F3 FREEWAY' and however many kilometres until the next on ramp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austvguy (talk • contribs) 13:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Again, none of those are the route marker. They simply refer to the former classification of the freeway/continuing colloquial name for it. 202.93.188.24 (talk) 11:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
While the F3 designation is not actually signposted, it is the title that is used by the RTA and the state and federal governments to refer to this road. It is not just a continuing colloquial name, it is a continuing official designation even if it isn't actually on the signs. --Athol Mullen (talk) 05:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
The questioned entry refers to the route marker, not a roadname reference as you've indicated. The paragraph/statement in question should stand as it is true and accurate. 124.187.170.124 (talk) 22:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
As far as I can see, two things make a road name an official designation: a proclamation under Part 5 of the Roads Act 1993 (which is your Freeway/Highway/Main Road designation) or under Section 162 which is the name. The F3 is no longer classified as Freeway No. 3 under Division 5, which is where the F3 nickname/colloquialism has it's background, it is now classified as Freeway No. 6003 - the number changed when the RTA removed the duplication of road numbers between State Highways and Freeways. As far as I'm aware, the name under Section 162 is "Sydney-Newcastle Freeway". However, I'm not sure where to find a database of road names in NSW to double-check that. Pending that I'm afraid "F3 Freeway" is not an official name or designation ;-) 202.93.188.24 (talk) 11:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] M1

Arggh! Its not the M1 yet- there is no known date for its introduction, and it is still flagged as the National 1. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quaidy (talk • contribs) 2:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freeway widening (Mt Colah to Cowan, section 2)

From Mt Colah to Cowan there is widening taking place for about 11 kilometers because it is extremly congested being only four-lane freeway when on both sides it is six-lane freeway! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.183.122.166 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

So much rock faces to drill in the middle of the night, when I have travelled past there! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.183.122.166 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I noticed the completion date has been changed from 2009 to 2010, what is the source for this? Surely it can't take that long??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.194.82 (talk) 12:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Freeway widening (Kariong to Somersby, section 3)

I have noticed there are no plans or even let alone any funding arrangements for freeway widening beyong Kariong to Somersby because it is only four lane section when it is six lanes on both sides - Shame on you John Howard! If this is ever done six lanes will be achieved from the start of the F3 at Wahroonga all the way to the Tuggerah interchange - It is not that hard to do the widening there, when there are no rock faces in the way at all (Like there is in the section between Mt Colah to Cowan), just a bunch of scrub bushes in the median and is only about 5 kilometers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 04:57, 30 April 2007 (talk • contribs) 124.183.122.166.

  • There is not enough traffic on that section to need the extra lanes, and isn't likely to be until after the whole section between Gosford and Sydney is upgraded to 4 lanes each way. The section near Paruna is worse in many ways, because even though there isn't enough traffic to need the extra lanes, people don't keep left so the capacity is artificially reduced. I probably should find references for some of this and add it to the article. --Athol Mullen 05:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paruna

Please where is Paruna? When you mean 4 lanes on each side - Do you mean 3 lanes on each side with a 'shoulder'?

Paruna is the nickname or original name for the twin Caltex service stations just north of Wyong. Timmah86 06:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • At the time of opening, Paruna was the official name of the twin service centres on the Wyong Bypass section of the F3. I don't know if it's still used since it changed from Oak to McDonalds. --Athol Mullen 10:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge sections?

I propose to merge the Route and Connections sections, probably in the form of merging the Connections section into the Route section, as the content is largely the same. I also propose to add more information about how many lales wide it is, speed limits, etc. within that section. Of course, anyone else is welcome to do this before I get around to it. :-) --Athol Mullen 14:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

This work has in effect been completed as of today. Lanes on freeway is representative of number of lanes FOLLOWING the stated exit/entry point as one travels south to north. All towns in the interchanges table have been Wiki linked where appropriate and have not been double linked. Timmah86 (talk) 05:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] interchanges

does anyone know why there is only north off and south on at mt colah? why they didnt build north facing ramps as well beacuse there is heaps of room? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.240.5.180 (talk • contribs) 07:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

  • This is not an official answer, but I assume that it is because prior to this section's (Berowra-Wahroonga) opening, the Pacific Highway between Berowra and Hornsby had just been upgraded to 2 divided lanes in each direction (3 through berowra). thus reducing the need for such access ramps at the Ku-ring-gai Chase Road intersection. However, the 2004 report into the F3-M2 link recommended that these missing north facing ramps should be constructed to improve access to Hornsby to and from the F3. 129.78.64.100 07:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • My understanding is that the Mt Colah and Windy Banks interchanges are both single sided to prevent traffic from the freeway having good access to Ku-ring-gai Chase Rd and Galston Rd. It's an effort to funnel the traffic further south into Sydney. It's also about saving money because interchanges cost money - just look at the Falcon St ramps... --Athol Mullen 12:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • A southbound exit at Ku-ring-gai Chase Rd would meet strong opposition by the national parks authority. There are already a number of residents of the Mt Colah area who use Bobbin Head Road through the national park to avoid the end of the F3 and use this route as a way of connecting to the Pacific Highway at Pymble. Providing a southbound exit here would encourage a huge volume of traffic through a route that was never intended to carry it. 129.78.64.100 03:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  • This is another example of short term planning in the area of transport by the Government. At the time of construction and opening, Hornsby was not a major commercial center, it was just a point that motorists had to go through to get between other areas of Sydney and the Central Coast. The Wahroonga to Berowra section of the F3 was known to everyone in the area as the "Hornsby Bypass" - at the time most traffic in the Hornsby area was through traffic. Providing an early exit southbound at Mt Colah would just funnel alot of cars through Hornsby when the aim was to clear the congested streets of Hornsby. However in recent years Hornsby has grown into a major centre and alot of Central Coast traffic now wants to go into Hornsby for work not just pass through it. So now, due to the lack of a Hornsby exit southbound, this creates congestion at the Pacific Highway exit at Wahroonga when cars turning right to goto Hornsby cause a Red signal for all other movements. The governments recent F3 to Sydney Orbital Corridor Review report recommends that this movement be banned meaning cars bound for Hornsby will have to exit at Berowra and use the old Pacific Highway to Hornsby, which will cause further protest by local residents who complain about the volume of vehicles using the Old Highway when there is delays on the Freeway. (There have been many calls by member Judy Hopwood for traffic signals to be installed at Highway intersections) 60.240.206.67 01:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  • In the early 1990's these ramps were proposed, as well as exit ramps from the F3 freeway to Edgeworth David Avenue further south. Most notably the Wahroonga Warrawee Turramurra Action Group (WWTAG) campaigned in the early 1990’s for off-ramps to built from the F3 Freeway at the Edgeworth David Avenue overpass. The Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) favoured building ramps and upgrading Junction Road, whilst the Ku-ring-gai Council was against the ramps but wanted Junction Road upgraded. Of course community protests meant construction never happened. The upgrade of that secondary route (Burns Rd, Eastern, etc.) to 6-lanes was first proposed in the 1980's, and like most road projects, abandoned. 123.243.194.82 (talk) 02:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
  • 2 additional ramps/interchange were proposed as part of the current widening project (in option 2), but option 1, the cheapest option, was selected instead. Austvguy (talk) 08:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Interesting. Is there a link available to provide more information on that? --Athol Mullen (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Video footage

Hey check out this video of someone squeezing their way into the front of the turning bay at the wahroonga entrance to the F3 from pacific highway. http://valk.dreamhosters.com/f3merge.avi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.194.82 (talk) 14:25, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

  • The video provides no useful information relevant to this article. --Athol Mullen 14:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)