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I think using Swedish language in discussing here, will not be so popular among the other Wikipedians. /Habj 02:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] The name of this page

I find it unfortunate that the title of the page says it's a place for Swedish people. Let's make it a space for people generally interested in things Swedish, and let its title mirror that. Wikipedia:Swedish stuff notice board, or something similar. Let's not be exclusive. /Habj 02:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No problem. Perhaps like this: Wikipedia:Taiwan-related topics notice board? Or we could also just write it in the intro of the page that it is about all Swedish topics, not only for Swedish people, and stop using Swedish when writing... :-) --Fred-Chess 10:27, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Sweden-related topics notice board would be OK. Uppland 11:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It mainly seems to be a consistency thing. I think of the first similar notice boards was Wikipedia:Irish Wikipedians' notice board (which even has a "mission statement" saying "This page is a notice board for things particularly relevant to Irish Wikipedians"). Most others have been named in a similar fashon, although Category:Regional Wikipedian notice boards lists several, mainly Asian ones, that have the form Wikipedia:X-related topics notice board. I think the latter form is better, but I would prefer a general discussion at the Village Pump, aiming to achieve a general naming consensus across all similar projects. / Alarm 12:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Seems like a good idea. If the issue is taken up at the Village Pump, will a notice of that be posted here? for those of us who don't regularly check the VP. /Habj 12:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Translation of "Församling"

  • Original message in /Outdated talk1. The sub page /Terminology directs the issue.

[edit] note on RAÄ images

There are several images on Swedish Wiki that are cortesy of Riksantikvariatsämbetet RAÄ (www.raa.se). There is a much temporary template on here template:RAÄ, basically derived from sv:Mall:RAÄ. Images from RAÄ can not really be used here anymore!!! They are not released under a free license, and they are also not impossible to acquire by ourselves (a requirement for fair use). So do not upload them here, and if you see any, please add the above tag to them, so that we can trace them, and possibly note the uploader about this policy. --Fred-Chess June 30, 2005 12:00 (UTC)

I agree that most of these pictures should be easy to replace. Most of those used on sv are just exteriors of buildings which anyone could photograph. A few may be more difficult to replace for the time being (like the Kockum crane or some air photos), but we can probably do without them or eventually replace them as well.
Anyway, I have started a subpage here to be able to include more detailed image requests: Wikipedia:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board/image requests. Uppland 30 June 2005 14:51 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish province/county/region names

Is there any sort of agreement as to whether one should use the Latin names for Swedish regions or the Swedish names? "Dalecaria" is an abomination. --Adamrush 6 July 2005 00:33 (UTC)

You can write which ever you like to. I often prefer to Latin as they are more neutral and easier to pronounce for non-Swedish speakers. Alt. you can use both, such as "in Smalandia (Småland) there are [...]" --Fred-Chess July 6, 2005 09:45 (UTC)
The Swedish province articles have been boldly moved from Latin to Swedish names, and the "abomination" Dalecarlia now redirects to Dalarna. One user, in fact Fred Chess, has protested at Talk:Skåne, and I have given my reasons for the move. Please weigh in with your opinion! Please let's keep all Latin/Swedish discussion at Talk:Skåne and avoid dispersing it over all the province articles. Bishonen | talk 11:20, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Just for the record, this discussion has been conducted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Swedish provinces before (with pretty obvious anti-Latinization results). That is the project page for the provincial names and by definition the most appropriate forum for these discussions.
As for using any Latin name except for "Scania", I strong advise against it. If you Google search for them, the Swedish names often outnumber the Latin ones by at least 1000:1. And that's with modifiers set for English and "+Sweden", "-Wikipedia" and all that. They're inherently non-notable and not appropriate for encyclopedic use, even in running text.
Peter Isotalo 13:01, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Some precise points from Peter. The pro of Latin names are that they are neutral. The con is that I don't think they are actually used, and I have never been able to see apoint in using names that no one uses; I have been forced to keep a reference list next to my computer to keep track of them.
For Scania I'm double edged. Scania is clearly a name used. I wouldn't change it from "Scania" to "Skåne" but also woulnd't change it from "Skåne" to "Scania". So I'm happy. I'm only not happy that no one asked here first :(
--Fred-Chess 13:50, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
I forgot to mention: I'm not going to change any more "Scania" into "Skåne". The name is common enough to allow it to be up to individual editors to decide. (Especially since the adjective form "Scanian" is very convenient.) I encourage others to do the same.
Peter Isotalo 13:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Runes

I moved this section here from the "Suggestions and requests" section of the project page, since it is a question rather than a request for specific articles to be created. / Alarm 12:15, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

(Please move this subheading if it is inappropriately placed) I've been translating and touching up a few articles on rune stones in Sweden from the sv wiki and have come upon some problems with christening those which have no colloquial name. There is a relatively well-known system called Rundata which consists, usually, of a code for its region and its serial no. (t.ex. "U 1011" comes from Uppland and is no. 1011). Maybe this is the wrong place to take a vote, but would you prefer if these articles are titled after their Rundata (U 1011) code exclusively or should I additionally create a redirect page with a human-readable title like (Upplandian Runic Inscription 1011)? --Adamrush 6 July 2005 00:23 (UTC)

[edit] Naming discussion I: Linköping

A few weeks ago I asked at Talk:Linköping why the page is named "Linköping" only, when other Swedish cities of almost the same size and of similar age is at "X Municipality", e.g. Västerås Municipality and Norrköping Municipality. If anyone here knows if there is a policy on this, or simply has an opinion on whether or not the page ought to be moved to Linköping Municipality, please comment at Talk:Linköping. / Alarm 15:03, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I actually don't care. Mic's original idea was to seperate all pages into municipalities and tätort, just as he did with counties and provinces and so on. Right before he left, he did it to some in Blekinge, e.g. Karlskrona and Karlshamn.
I asked Uppland how we should do, before I started on the project of writing about them. He advised me that the material about the municipality is so small that is is of no use yet. I agree with him. I haven't moved any municipality or town though because I think contents is more important than the title. --Fred-Chess 20:16, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
Opps forgot to write about Linköping... Well , very few pages are in the format "X" (w/o mun.). When I first saw it, my first belief was that some unknown person had moved it at some time because he thought the page wasn't about the municipality. My second guess was that it was just a mistake, it was left like that by mistake. In any case, I don't think there is a policy about it. --Fred-Chess 20:28, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
I hadn't noticed Karlskrona, Karlshamn and other similar examples. (I've since then noted that Lund has the same division.) In the long term, I think this is probably the way to go for all of them, but it certainly seems unneccesary to embark on a major project to divide stubs in two parts. However, I would argue that it would be logical to move any pages "X" to "X municipality", with the exception of the four more well-known major cities Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmö and Uppsala. For these four, it might be relevant to create new "municipality" articles and move the relevant information there, while keeping information about the cities proper/the urban areas at the present titles. (Suggestions along these lines have been floated at Stockholm, where some confusion as to what the article should cover admittedly exists.) If we do this, all municipalities will have an article on the "X Municipality" form, which would be nice. / Alarm 18:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Nice to see you agree with me.... I have made a little revision of the infobox template which I hope will clarify this matter also.
Surely Linköping could be L. Municipality.
Concerning Stockholm, I see no reason to favour "Stad" for "City", because City is the English word for Stad. Unless you would use the name "Stockholm Stad" when speaking to a foreigner?
--Fred-Chess 18:48, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oh no! Not another subpage!

I'd like to point you in the direction of Wikipedia:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board/Terminology, which I've just created. I have had the idea to create a kind of dictionary for some time, and now it's done! I hope that it will be useful to anyone writing about Swedish topics and that it can help standardize the terminology used on Wikipedia. The page lists English translations of some common Swedish terms used in articles relating to Sweden and Swedish issues and provides links to more specialised lists. I welcome fact-checking and review as well as further additions. However, please avoid bloating the page by adding whole lists, e.g. translations of all military ranks. I think it works much better to link to a page which already has a list of the terms in both languages. / Alarm 15:18, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] About references

After reading the policy concerning references, I realized I have been doing slightly wrong for a while. I might as well advise others here: try to acquire references in English , because Swedish references are of no use to the majority of English speakers... If there are no comparable English ones, then we have no choice, of course.

For instance when I was writing the article about Swedenborg I found many good books in Swedish, but none the less, if it is possible, books in English are to be preferred as cited references.

--Fred-Chess 20:11, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hitchhiking in Sweden?

If anyone happens to be an expert on hitchhiking in Sweden, you could help out with a question at the Reference Desk. / Alarm 18:13, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quality template discussion

  • I have created three quality measures for Sweden related articles. They are Template:Sweden-article-1 Template:Sweden-article-2 and Template:Sweden-article-3. Their intention is to show the goals for Swedish articles, and to distingiush the "good" and "decent" articles from the stubs. Comments are appreciated. --Fred-Chess 10:07, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • I am fairly certain that templates like these should not be placed on the article page, but on the talk page. I've moved them to the talk pages and also updated their style to correspond to the style used by other talk page messages (for example {{oldpeerreview}}). Revert these edits if you think they were no good. Otherwise, a very good idea and I hope we can arrange some kind of voting for articles that would be suited to have any of the three templates. -- Elisson • Talk 11:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
      • Well the thing is -- they are intended for readers, not editors. As such they are more useful on the article page. --Fred-Chess 22:04, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
        • Yes, but the {{featured}} template is also for readers, stating the article is one of the best articles on Wikipedia, but it is on the talk page. I don't know if there is any guideline on this, but I think that notices that "are forever" (for example awards like this one) should not be placed on the article page itself. I'm going away tomorrow (see my user page) so I probably won't be able to contribute to the discussion for a while. -- Elisson • Talk 20:17, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
          • Yes... Well, you know my opinion. Let's see if we get can other opinions. I will actually also be going away tomorrow, and Alarm is away (until the 18th). --Fred-Chess 20:37, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
            • Placing templates like these in the article pages is as far as I know considered inappropriate by most of out editors. I'm not sure if there is actual policy written, but it might as well be considered official. I have seen some discussion with proposals of placing some kind of discrete notice that an article has been selected as an FA, but these have not gained much support. I agree that templates like these belong on the talkpages, since references to the inner workings of Wikipedia should only be used when there are content disputes over an article. / Peter Isotalo 11:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
      • The aproximate measures I have in mind are something like this: A page with at least one reference is usually a "decent article" (someone has spent some time on it). If the article has several pages of text it is a "good article". For premium articles, I am judging by working hours dedicated to the article: more than, say, 20 dedicated hours would make it a premium article. --Fred-Chess 13:52, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
        • Well, I would like to supplement the criteria you propose with some that more directly address the quality of the article, apart from the process of writing it. I mean, length, reference, and lots of work say that time has been spent on it, but they don't address the actual result of the work—the quality of the product. Of course there's a strong correlation between time spent and quality, I'm not disputing that, but it's not an absolute or invariable correlation. It seems to me we'd also need criteria like, say, "well-written", "well-structured", "doesn't leave out any important aspects". Also, what's the decision-making you have in mind for placing one of the templates—a vote on our talk page (or a dedicated page)? Without something like that, it wouldn't be exactly accurate to state that the article "is regarded by the Swedish notice board as" being decent or good or excellent. The question then would be whether we'd be able to generate enough interest in such voting procedures. The idea is intriguing, though, and I do appreciate that many or most of the articles you have in mind are probably too short to aim straight for the stars (=Featured Article status). Still, perhaps it would be as practical, or more so, to try to work up just a few of the Swedish articles into FAs? Seeing as WP:FAC has a voting procedure already in place and tends to generate much interest. Just a suggestion. (Any templates of this nature definitely need to go on the talk page IMO, btw.) Bishonen | talk 13:09, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
            • Nr 1. We haven't yet voted on any articles. The 3-step borders have large margins. I added some initial article to the categories to give you an idea of what I had in mind.
            • Nr 2. The articles are bascially here not only as a lower quality FA, but as a higher quality stub marking. There are just too many Swedish articles that are stubs, and I think one needs to be able to find the "corns" among the bunch. Most Swedish artist-articles , for instance, are stubs. Then we have your article about Cornelis that is a lot longer. A good article, and marked as such.
            • Nr 3. Obviously -- yes -- quality is important. So no, a 50 hours work of stub isn't going to make it. I would say that one needs to estimate the amount of work required to create the page for the average editor. When an article has gotten more than 20 hours they tend to cover a lot, etc. I think it is fairly easy to say when an article has more than 20 hours of work in it. Swedish language probably has at least 100 hours.
            • Nr 4. I would like the article itself to at least be in a category. The current design isn't suited for the article page (my initial design was a little more subtle, so would perhaps have worked better, but I see the difficulty in having dozens of quality markers on the article page -- so I will rest my case for now...) The idea, by the way, comes from German Wikipedia. They have quality measures on the article pages, and I think they do their work fine. (See de:Stockholm)
            • --Fred-Chess 16:08, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
          • I think I more or less agree with Bishonen on this issue; I am not convinced of the value of a separate quality evaluation process from the peer review and FA pages Wikipedia already has, and I am not sure we have enough people here to have a peer review process all of our own. What I think we should do is to identify those articles which either have potential to become FAs or which really need much work but should become FAs because of the inherent significance of the subject. I still think Fred's Emanuel Swedenborg article should be nominated for FA, as soon as more detailed references have been added. I'd also like to see a much better, FA status, article on Carl Linnaeus, who, like Swedenborg, is one of the internationally best known Swedes (that article actually sucks right now, although it is still better than the Linnaeus article on the Swedish Wikipedia, but that's what you'd expect). I don't know if I want to actually propose a "Swedish Collaboration of the Week" type project, as we may be too few too complete something in a week, but perhaps a monthly focus area, a "Qualitätsoffensive", as they call it on the German Wikipedia. Looking at the de:Stockholm article, I think that may what what Fred has in mind, but perhaps we should only use these tags for articles on which we are actually working. Uppland 09:31, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
            • I second most of what Bishonen and Uppland are saying. I'd also like to mention that I've noticed that Fred keeps adding these tags, saying that the Swedish notice board regards articles to be of high quality. [1] While these articles might indeed be good, I'm rather uncomfortable with Fred acting on the behalf of the rest of the notice board. Myself, I'm very sceptical about the value of marking all "decent articles". This would require more work than it is worth. I agree with Uppland that the effort would probably be better spent working towards FA status. (I find the Irish featured article drive a reasonable way of handling this.) Myself, I would suggest Sweden and Stockholm as obvious targets for collaboration towards FA status. Another interesting option might be to start a Wikiportal for Sweden which might point to quality articles without involving the official endorsement a template referring to the notice board would mean. (There is even one for Estonia!) / Alarm 15:11, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Man... Alarm, I did not even add "Swedish Wikipedians Notice Board" to the templates, Elisson did. But what is wrong with adding a quality measure on articles? The wording on the templates do not matter so much to me...
I want templates to be for our dear readers, who may get tired of seeing stubs for 3/4 pages, and miss out on good articles.
--Fred-Chess 16:01, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, it was me that added the notice about who regards what, so don't blaim Fred for that. I added it because I thought that it was the meaning of the template, to have a vote or discussion on this page about articles that would be attributed with the "award". As this does not seem to be the case at the moment, feel free to change the wording. -- Elisson • Talk 16:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
OK, sorry for jumping to conclusions, Fred! I just reacted to the wording of the template not corresponding to reality (perhaps I'm a bit grumpy today...) - but I'm sure we can find a process for handling this and move on. My first-hand alternative for aiding the reader in finding high-quality Sweden-related articles is still a wikiportal (provided we are at least five people interested in updating it), but if there is strong support for a "quality stamp" template I'm all right with that. However, I fail to see the point of having a grade for "decent" articles. To me, it would feel more relevant and less complicated to restrict it to a single version, reserved for articles that are within a stone's throw of reaching FA status. / Alarm 19:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish schools

Just in case anybody feels like starting to enter articles on Swedish schools, there is a page on the website of the Swedish National Agency for Education (Skolverket) where one can search for schools in Sweden. Searching for all schools of all types in the whole country results in 7872 schools. Limiting oneself to secondary schools, the search results in merely 818 institutions. :-) Uppland 19:19, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd be careful about creating articles about Swedish schools, especially high schools. There has been a lot of bruhaha about US high schools and there are some pretty strict demands that any high school article needs to be about thoroughly notable, or it will wind up in a VfD and will most likely get deleted (I tend to agree with this view). This would probably limit the selection to older, prestigous schools in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö, and in particular the schools founded during the older school system like Norra latin, Södra Latin and Östra Real in Stockholm.
Peter Isotalo 11:22, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree. That's more or less what I have written on the notice board. --Uppland 11:36, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conventions III: Swedish regiments

A long time ago, when I started working on this series as a newcomer on Wikipedia, I got the advice to translate all names to English, following the Use English convention, and I did so. However, now, after a year, I feel that was not the right way to go, for two reasons:

  • Would anyone ever search for my translations? I mean, who would type in Queen Dowager's Life Guard Regiment in Pomerania, when looking for info on Riksänkedrottningens livregemente i Pommern? There is a difference between typing in 1st Panzer Division when looking for the German unit, and typing in Westrogothia Cavalry Regiment or Västergötland Cavalry Regiment, as very few people ever write Swedish regimental names in English, while the German units are commonly refered to with an English name.
  • Some names are not easily translated, like the above, or Västgöta-Dals regemente (Västgöta-Dal Regiment, Västergötland-Dalsland Regiment, Westrogothia-Dalia Regiment?). Most names are based on the [province]+regiment composition, and not on the [number]+[type]+division composition, which is much easier to translate. There is not much difference between Norrbottens regemente and Norrbotten Regiment, and as the first is much more common, why not use it?

What is your opinion in the matter? -- Elisson • Talk 22:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Since no-one has answered yet, I'll start moving articles to Swedish names. Please stop me if you have something important to say. :) -- Elisson • Talk 11:39, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I am back now. I suggest that you image how a page of CIA would write. I think they would write "the Norrbotten Regiment" because it is a mere translation of a descriptive name. So I would chose the English ones. But as they are not in English use yet, it maybe does'nt matter -- as long as the redirects are there. --Fred-Chess 15:52, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I'll keep/create redirects for "possible" English names, so that won't be a problem. -- Elisson • Talk 18:07, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Swedish substubs

I don't really want to be negative, but I have noticed some Swedish contributors writing one-line substubs. The Swedish Wikipedia, where article count is the reigning principle, is full of those, most of which give about as much info as anybody looking up the topic can already be expected to know. I would like to recommend contributors to write a decent stub from the start, maybe two or three paragraphs of 5-10 lines altogether, preferably with at least one reference which points at where the info came from. It is easier for whoever starts the article to do so from the beginning, than for someone else to do it later. It better invites further contributions by others if the article has had a decent start, rather than if it looks as something the original author just wanted to get out of the way with minimal effort. I wouldn't support actually deleting such substubs, if the topic is notable, but it would be better if they weren't created in the first place (unless necessary for disambiguation purposes or something, of course).

I think this is particularly important if you pick something from the list of requested articles. I just added Bror Hjorth there. I would see a substub saying "Bror Hjorth was a Swedish sculptor" or something to that effect as less than useless, as it will make it a blue link and give the impression we have an article on the subject, which we still won't have at that point. Uppland 10:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I fully agree with all you are saying, and I have added a note on this in the introduction of the "Requested articles" section, as well as a "Substubs" section under "Requests for improvement/expansion", where any such articles can be listed. I suggest that we limit the list to the most glaring substubs, with three sentences or less of main article text. / Alarm 19:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Subpage for all new articles

Inspired by Wikipedia:New articles (Australia) I have created a new subpage for all new Sweden-related articles, whether or not they have been listed on the notice board, at Wikipedia:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board/New articles. All editors are encouraged to add all Sweden-related articles they come across, as well as their own creations, to the list.

I decided to compile such a list for two reasons. Primarily, I am curious to know what kind of Swedish-related articles are created, and I also think many of us would want to check out new ones and see if we can contribute to them. Secondly, seeing the large number of very relevant articles that are created without first having been listed on "Requested articles", the old list I've been updating, that only mentions such articles, felt a bit irrelevant. There are a lot of other people who deserve credit for working hard with filling the holes in Wikipedia's coverage of Sweden. However, in aiming to list all new articles created during July and August, I think I was biting off more than I could chew... I had absolutely no idea that so many Swedish-related articles were created every week! (Of course I'm convinced that I haven't even found them all.)

Anyway, I hope you find this list useful, and that you're interested in helping out maintaining it. I will try my best, but the more people involved, the more effective will this be. If you come across a newly-created article on a Sweden-related topic, please consider adding it to the list. Oh, and if you think this is a totally useless idea, please let me know and I won't bother. / Alarm 22:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok Alarm. I hadn't noticed you posted at the talk page, but think you deserve a reply, better later than never. I was sceptical about your idea, because it seemed to take a lot of time to register all articles one creates. Consider there is already many "side" things that needs to be done such as interwiki, copy images to commons, finding a category, and so on...

Anyway, I came to the talk page to propose something else (see below)

[edit] How about some joint work then?

As many users have expressed a wish to join up to create Featured Article about Swedish topics, I think we really should try and do that, especially since I think it would be fun. Of course, I am still pissed that all my dedicated hours of Swedenborg will never become a featured article, having being up for peer review twice even, so I haven't cared much about the debacle of featured articles, but I assume it must work in theory.

(I personally don't know why an article has to be "featured" to be good, I'd much rather prefer two excellent but non-featured articles than to spend the time creating one article and putting it through a time wasting nit-picky peer review. I'd rather dedicate the time expanding both Stockholm and Gothenburg, for instance)

It seems to be a lot of work to create and maintain a Portal, as Alarm suggested, but if you do it Alarm, I'd surely join that party.

In the meanwhile we could work on something here. Although I cherish such dedication as Swedish hip hop, IFK Göteborg, and the Swedish alotment system, I think it would require too much extra study for most of us others to get acquainted with the topic to be able to contribute -- and I'm not even sure everyone is interested in, say, Swedish hip hop. So if we were to make a combined featured article I think it would be best for the editors, and for the readers, to write about something more general Swedish.

I'd agree with Alarm about something like Stockholm. Of course, I have only been there once myself, and the thing I liked the most was a computer game at the Vasa Museum, but I'd still think it would be worthwhile to learn more about.

Other suggestion might be Gothenburg, Visby, Drottningholm, Sigtuna, or some other city maybe? (I know them very well by know, and it never fails to impress girls when I tell them that Umeå is known as the city of birches ;-)

Fred-Chess 13:31, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

See below for comments on the Wikiportal suggestion. As for a collaborative effort to improve the quality of one or more articles, I'd do what I can to contribute. I'd suggest that we try the informal road, to see how it works, before we set up a formal "Swedish collaboration of the week/fortnight/month/quarter". I think we should go for very well-known and general topics. Mainly because that would make most of us able to contribute without having to do major research, but also because I find the quality of such articles more important than the quality of specialist subjects. Following this reasoning, I'd say that even Sigtuna might be a tad to narrow a subject. I'm going to be bold here, and put up a quick "show of hands" below in order to check support for some suggestions. / Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quick show of hands - Informal Swedish collaboration

Users prepared to contribute (to a smaller or larger extent) to an informal Swedish collaboration, add your signatures below it. New suggestions can of course be added.

[edit] Sweden

  1. Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  2. Fred-Chess 16:00, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stockholm

  1. Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  2. Uppland 12:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gothenburg

  1. -- Elisson • Talk 17:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  2. Fredrik | talk 17:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Culture of Sweden

  1. Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  2. Fred-Chess 16:00, August 27, 2005 (UTC) This is a sub-section (or linked as "main article") of Sweden. IMO, If we write about Sweden, we would need to utilize such sub sections.

[edit] Music of Sweden

  1. Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cuisine of Sweden

[edit] Postwar history of Sweden

  1. Alarm 17:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

I think a comments section below the voting would be justified.

I feel that we should try and make the articles smaller by utilizing sub sections more, inspired by Alarm. So that each section about Stockholm should be perhaps 3-4 paragraphs, the rest goes to sub articles. There is a discussion on meta about this, don't know the address, but they used the article Poker as an example.

I feel that the "average Joe" won't read through 5 pages if he wants an overview of something. Fred-Chess 16:08, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiportal

As I've just posted in the News section, I just found out that an anonymous user actually created a Swedish Wikiportal in June, from a copy of the British one, but did not even finish the startup work. The page is now listed on Votes for Deletion and I'd say it's basically up to us here if we want to keep it or not. I see that Fred has already started to work on it, and I might put in some work later. However, I hope that at least a few others can offer to help out with maintenance. After having looked more closely at other country-related Wikiportals, I'd say it need not be that labour-intensive. (Unless we opt to create an "In the news" section as ambitious as the one over at the Canadian Wikiportal. However, several Wikiportals have no "In the news" section at all, e.g. the Romanian one, and I suggest we skip that for now too.) As I see it, the chores would mainly consist of:

  • maintaining a list with a few candidates for featured articles and featured pictures,
  • changing the featured article and the featured picture every once in a while (once a week?)
  • adding "Did you know"-lines for some of the newly created articles (perhaps 2-3 per week)
  • monitoring the portal and its subpages for vandalism

As long as I'm able to devote time to scanning newly created articles, I'll try to contribute some "did you know"-lines. / Alarm 17:58, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I see no harm in trying. Fred-Chess 18:09, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nazi Wiki (off topic)

Very off topic, but you might like to know that a bunch of American neo-nazis have set up their own wiki by downloading and importing the entire Wikipedia database. This includes user pages. That's right, you all now have user pages on a Nazi wiki. I have registered there, under the same username, and erased my stuff from my user talkpage. You may consider doing the same (remember to use another password than the one you use here). Another thing: It seems Å, Ä, and Ö don't work there. The article Hermann Göring is only accessible through the redirect Hermann Goering and it looks like Hermann G�ring. I can't help finding Nazis with such problems handling German orthography particularly contemptible. Uppland 20:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

At this moment, their Main Page article is in Hebrew. LOL. I noticed some people on #Wikipedia today coordinating subversive efforts like that. Bishonen | talk 20:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Three crowns?

I notice that the image for "article regarded of high quality" is of two crown imposed on a blue background. Shouldn't it be three crowns?

Well, we have a premium quality too ;-) (Comments on this are appreciated)
Fred-Chess 10:21, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I see now, sorry... You base a Michelin Guide system on the national emblem. How curious... =P

[edit] Malin Baryard - I Love Horse (Do You Want To Ride?)

I've created an entry for Malin Baryard by translating the Swedish Wikipedia entry. This includes a single-entry discography for a supposed 2004 song called I Love Horse (Do You Want To Ride?). I found this so funny I nearly wet myself (a combination of the broken English and the innuendo).

I'd love it to be true, but a Google search doesn't give much evidence to support this. Does anyone know whether or not this is legit, or was it a case of vandalism on the Swedish entry? If it was vandalism, it seems odd to me that it's been on the Swedish entry so long without being reverted. CLW 19:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

The title is "do you wanna ride" :-)
Malin Baryard spelar in en singel i hemstaden i Norrköping med Spånka NKPG, med Norrköpingsprofilen Anders "Gresse" Grentselius vid mixerbordet, rapporterar Rockphoto. "Gresse" är även medlem i bandet Spånka NKPG. http://www.ridsport.se/kortnyhet.htm
A small image here: http://img.kelkoo.com/se/medium/903/195/0058147701613981741499332193493409195903.jpg
Fred-Chess 19:58, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
Great! I shall make the appropriate ammendments. Thanks, Fred CLW 20:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
More from Google:
Uppland 20:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
According to Malin Baryard herself, the lyrics are about horseriding, and she couldn't understand how anyone could interpret it differently, (personal note: the insufficient grammar aside =P). Basically, the lyrics consist of three lines "I love horse, do you wanna ride? Horse is my fetish.", and I believe that if Malin Baryard was too ignorant to realize the implication herself, the songwriter probably did.

[edit] What Should Stockholm Be About.?

Hi everyone. I have made a little informal poll on Talk:Stockholm. Hopefully we can agree on the scope of the article "Stockholm". I encourage you all to weigh in your arguments. Fred-Chess 21:12, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Polish wikipedia offers coverage on Sweden's municipalities

I have been desiring a robot assisted insertion of infoboxes and information about Swedish Municipalities for five months now. It has now been created -- but on Polish Wikipedia. pl:Kategoria:Gminy_Szwecji. Polish wikipedia has now articles for all Sweden's municipalities.

Fred-Chess 14:32, September 3, 2005 (UTC)