Talk:Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street (musical)

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Contents 1 RJ Blindside - who? 2 Townsville Grammar School?! 3 Article clean-up 4 Fair use rationale for Image:GeorgeHearn2.jpg 5 Summary 5.1 Recent edits 6 Uris Theatre 7 Cultural references 8 Title 9 Obssesion 10 1846 11 Vocal ranges

[edit] RJ Blindside - who?

Citation needed here! A Google search for "RJ Blindside" yields few results: this Wikipedia page, and its copies on abitabouteverything.com, explodingproduce.com Answers.com! Does this company even exist? ▫ UrbaneLegend ^talk 10:56, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Townsville Grammar School?!

Am I missing something here? I hope so. Because, as sweet as it is, and I'm sure their mums are awfully proud of them, I don't understand why there is a section mentioning Townsville Grammar School students putting on a production. Are they internationally known, or is someone from the British royal family enrolled? I think some explanation is needed in the article for why this is worth mentioning -- however, my initial reaction is that this is a vanity piece and should be removed. [mariox19 2006.08.15 at 00:00 GMT.]

[edit] Article clean-up

This was a mess. Several facts were mentioned multiple times, and the "synopsis," far longer than the Wikipedia recommendation, was ridiculously lengthy and detailed, including everything except the stage directions. I pared it down to a concise description, removed duplicated data, and reorganized everything into chronological order. Hopefully this version will satisfy even the most finicky editors. SFTVLGUY2 20:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• Generally much better. I readded the infobox with the image incorporated. -- Upholder 21:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
• I would have liked at least some idea of the scene structures and plot to have remained - now it's just generic. Any chance of a compromise - an edited (but not destroyed) plot summary - please? (1st April 2007)81.86.132.52 23:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
• I would also like a revised plot analysis. Remember, concise is not a synonym for castrated. --24.94.142.242 00:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:GeorgeHearn2.jpg

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[edit] Summary

Gigantic kudos on the restrained, well-written summary. Oh, but I do agree with the above that a more in-depth description wouldn't be out of place. Anchoress 05:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent edits

An editor added some details to the summary recently, and I deleted a phrase describing Tobias (at the end of the show), concerning his hair. There is a phrase in the MTI plot synopsis: "Tobias appears, his hair now completely white from shock.", which is perhaps where the editor's addition came from (I always say I don't like to read into anothers' mind, that goes here as well). I did not see the original but I have seen something like 4 or 5 different productions of Sweeney Todd, and I can't say that I remember anything at all about Tobias' hair turning at the end. However, if other editors think it should be there, by all means return it. It certainly does enhance the final image of Tobias. JeanColumbia 11:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uris Theatre

I think this is now the Gershwin Theatre? -- Ssilvers 21:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes--George Gershwin TheatreJeanColumbia 23:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC) (oops, forgot to sign)

[edit] Cultural references

An editor added:

During the Fourth Season of The Simpsons, in the episode "A Streetcar Named Marge", there was a song called "Oh, Streetcar!" about New Orleans being "home of pirates, drunks, and whores," among other things. In the commentary of the Fourth Season DVD Jeff Martin, the writer for that episode, said that this was intended as a spoof of the opening number in Sweeney Todd. This got the show in trouble with New Orleans. In response to the complaints, the producers "apologized" in the blackboard gag of the next episode, as Bart writes, "I will not defame New Orleans" to defuse the whole controversy and it did eventually blow over.

This was deleted. It may be interesting information, since The Simpsons are an important cultural barometer, but it is too long and repetitive. Also, it fails to show how the song was a parody of the opening number in Sweeney Todd. If we delete the last sentence of it, which has nothing to do with Sweeney, and explain how "Oh, Streetcar!" parodies Sweeney, then I think the reference could go under the heading of "Cultural references." I would shorten the whole thing as follows:

The episode "A Streetcar Named Marge" from the fourth season of The Simpsons, includes a song called "Oh, Streetcar!" about New Orleans being "home of pirates, drunks, and whores." In the commentary of the Fourth Season DVD, Jeff Martin, the episode's writer, says that the song was intended as a spoof of the opening number in Sweeney Todd. [did he say why?/explain how it is a spoof]

Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title

Is everyone ok with the move of "Sweeney Todd (musical)" to "Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street"? --DrBat 17:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

How about "Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street (musical)"? At the moment, a search for 'sweeney todd' (all lower case) returns a list of related articles, and for consistency with "Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007 film)" this article should perhaps maintain its disambiguation in the title. Feyrauth (talk) 07:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your suggestion, or perhaps simply 'Sweeney Todd (musical)'. My question is, why does the film's title use a colon, but the musical's name uses a comma to separate from the subtitle? As far as I've seen, both are shown (on posters, playbills, and such) as "SWEENEY TODD The Demon Barber of Fleet Street" (albeit the text 'Sweeney Todd' sometimes not in caps), often with the subtitle 'The Demon Barber of Fleet Street' shown in smaller print below 'Sweeney Todd'. Mizu onna sango15/水女珊瑚15 15:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Support "Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street (musical)", for reasons of consistency, locatablity and correct title use. Rotovia (talk) 01:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I support Rotovia (ergo, my opinion is slightly changed), for reasons of consistency and to avoid mix-up, especially since the new film. However, I am still confused by the use of the colin versus comma. On the film's DVD case and on the title card, the title contains no punctuation between "Sweeney Todd" and "The Demon Barber of Fleet Street" (Musical as film). Thus, why are the titles of the film and musical written in the way it is? Mizu onna sango15/水女珊瑚15 01:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Obssesion

I am overly obsessed with the play and the upcoming movie! Does anyone know when the DVD is coming out so I can buy it? Or could someone post the entire movie on Youtube or something? I've read the entire script. MS67722 (talk) 16:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1846

"In 1846, a young sailor, Anthony Hope rides a ship into London."

What's the source for this? Is it from the script? The String of Pearls was published in 1846, the Sweeney Todd page varies between "a historical figure who committed his crimes around 1800.", and "appearing in various English language works starting in the mid-19th century", but is never so specific. PRB (talk) 11:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vocal ranges

I do not consider the vocal ranges given in Stage Agent to be reliable. Discussions among the editors at WP:MUSICALS have consistently concluded that vocal ranges in articles about musicals are generally not helpful. We have not made this into an "official" guideline, since there may be some musicals for which the score's vocal ranges are so clearly well-established that noting the vocal range may be of some value. I do not feel strongly about this one (it is often played by opera companies, and I doubt that different productions change keys too often), and I don't see any egregiously ludicrous designations, but if you think about calling Johnny Depp a bass-baritone, I think you will see that it is kinda silly. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Johnny Depp a Bass-Baritone? That is rather silly. :P But, I don't see what harm it does to mention vocal ranges for operas and stage musicals, (etc.) only. Mentioning the vocal ranges for the characters in the film adaptation would be useless, and is generally unverifiable, as whether Johnny Depp is a Bass-baritone or a tenor doesn't really matter, but, on the other hand, whether or not George Hearn/Len Cariou is does, therefore I say keep, as it is useful and verifiable— it's all just a matter of finding reliable sources to back it up. Unless this goes directly against Wikipedia policy, there's not much reason do delete. --Mizu onna sango15/水女珊瑚15 19:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)