Talk:Sweden and the euro

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Isn't this page jumping the gun a little? Since there has been no announcement that joing the Euro is even in the new government's policy package, let alone a date for a referendum, let alone how the people of Sweden would vote in such a referendum, I really don't think it's correct to say "the Euro will replace Sweden's national currency". I beleive this page should be deleted. Hammersfan 03/10/06, 16.31 BST

Sweden, in theory, is supposed to join "ultimately". See Eurozone#Sweden. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 17:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I realise that, but given the result of the 2003 referendum, and the lack of movement by the govt, is it likely to happen any time soon? I don't think so. Hammersfan 03/10/06, 19.05 BST

Yeah, I wonder about the usefulness for this article. Sweden has no released any official designs for the euro and is unlikely to switch at least for the next five years. Also, the Social Democrats were also in favor of the Euro. I will edit that in. 惑乱 分からん 12:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Still, they technically *have* to, and we can collect information about it here -- where else? I've just added some info. —Nightstallion (?) 09:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Have I got this straight? Sweden has to join, as soon as they bother fulfilling the convergence criteria, but since Denmark and UK have been members for a longer time, they don't have to? Also, it appears that Sweden's economy generally fulfills the criteria, but the Swedish government has deliberately chosen not to bind themselves to the Euro with a fixed rate? 惑乱 分からん 13:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

You got it right. UK and Danmark don't have to, since they were given an exception, otherwise they wouldn't accept the Maastricht treaty. Formally, Sweden "has to" join. The EU council and commission however has accepted that Sweden delays the entrance several years. In the domestic debate, it is quite clear that Sweden delays the process because Sweden doesn't want to have the Euro. There is a political understandning that a date will not be set before next election, 2010. I myself think that a likely date for a referendum could be maybe 2013, a few years after 2010 and ten years after 2003. I live in Sweden and have followed the TV news. I have read hints that Poland "does not want to", and if that happens when the other countries are joining, and Poland fulfills the criteria, EU could put pressure on both Sweden and Poland. - BIL 16:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that was how it seemed. Thanks. Maybe the article could be more clear about it... 惑乱 分からん 16:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual errors in the text

"It was reported in the media that when Sweden changed the design of the 1-krona coin in 2001, it was a preparation for the euro. That is, some coins would have the King's portrait like the new 1-krona coin."

The 1-crown coin has the King's portrait since 1875, when the 1-crown note was replaced by the 1-crown coin, each coin showing the portrait of the person who happened to be the King of Sweden at the time when the coin was minted. However, the wording above suggests that the King's portrait only has been on the 1-crown coin since 2001.

"Most major political parties in Sweden, including the governing Alliance for Sweden, which won the 2006 election and the former governing Social Democratic party, are in principle in favour of introducing the euro."

This wording suggests that Allians för Sverige/Alliance for Sweden is a single party. However, it's a formation of four parties, and one of these parties, Centerpartiet/the Centre Party, was at least at the time of the referendum against joining the euro, the other three parties being in favour.

"On 24 October 2006, EU monetary affairs commissioner Joaquin Almunia stated that the European Union could theoretically take Sweden to court for not joining the euro despite meeting all the economic criteria, but that such an action would be neither necessary nor desirable currently."

How valid is this? Sweden may be required to join the euro as soon as all criteria are fullfilled, but one of the criteria is that Sweden has to be part of ERM II for at least two years prior to joining, which Sweden isn't required to join. (58.188.97.134 12:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC))

Regarding the wording about the king's portrait I changed the text to "have the King's portrait looking like the new 1-krona coin" --BIL 16:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I have read that the EU commission will at least take action if Poland and Czech rep. does the same thing for too long time. These countries don't seem too hot on adopting the currency for now. Then the commission could do the same thing with Sweden. -- BIL 16:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The "Alliance for Sweden" part needs to be rewritten, using the separate party names. But what is the current opinion of the Centre Party? According to the Centre Party's home page, they are still against adopting the euro, but according to the Centre Party Youth's home page, at least the youth part of the party supports adopting the euro, although they require a second referendum prior to any euro adoption. (58.188.97.134 11:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC))

I'm unsure, it would take up a lot of space... 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 13:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

What does the section Process of adopting the euro has in common with the article title Swedish euro coins? It should be excluded from here. For this you can write separate article with corresponding title.--Dima1 (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion at United Kingdom Euro Coins

Hi, there's a discussion currently ongoing about the potential renaming or merge/redirecting of this and other articles at Talk:United Kingdom euro coins#Crystal Balls that you may want to look at. I suggest that further discussion remain there. Thanks. Pfainuk talk 12:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Just taking this here as is my normal practice on a second revert of something that isn't straight vandalism. I write this on the assumption that this article will continue per the discussion at the UK article noted above.

The sources provided for today's addition by Dima1 are:

• The Telegraph front page. Not only will this change daily, today's does not contain any of the the words Sweden, Denmark or euro.
• The BBC's Talking Point debate Is membership of the euro inevitable for all EU countries? dated 2002-01-18. I don't see where this comes close to saying what is claimed, and even if it did, people's private opinions are not a reliable source for declaring that the Swedes are more likely to vote yes if the Danes vote yes in 2010. Besides that, these opinions, including all opinion poll data included, are now 6 years old,, taken within three weeks of the introduction of Euro coins and notes, and before Sweden's 2003 referendum in which the Euro was rejected.

Another point is that the text says "Swedens will change their attitude to even more positive towards adopting the euro." (sic). The word "even" here is POV since opinion polls cited in the previous sentence read ~50% against and ~40% in favour. By these results the Swedes are not in favour of membership. This edit may be true in essence, but it requires a much better source - recent and fairly explicit - to back it up and it needs to be made NPOV.

For all these reasons, I am reverting for a second time. Pfainuk talk 18:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I have put the wrong link from my clipboard. Here is the proper one. --Dima1 (talk) 18:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I was looking to see if I could find something to back you up as well and that's the best I found. That one is now 7½ years old (written before both previous referendums), but I'm rather more inclined to accept it because it's not an opinion piece and I don't see that this would have changed between times. However, I don't quite see that it implies what you say it does - it says:

The Danish referendum is bound to have an impact on the attitudes of Swedes to the single currency.

And similar things. This, written after the Danish referendum, could also be significant. In principle, I think this is acceptable with reference to the coming referendum for an edit which says something like:

Should Denmark hold a referendum before Sweden, the result of that referendum would certainly have an impact on a future Swedish referendum.

I also suggest you read (and comment on) Talk:United Kingdom euro coins#Crystal Balls, my current proposal for the alteration of the [Country's] euro coins series of articles, which might have some significant impact on this article. Pfainuk talk 19:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)