User talk:Swamilive

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[edit] April 2008

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In response to your comment on my talk page... Let me first preface my comment by saying that I hate the Westboro Baptist Church. They're an insult to Christianity and preach a hateful message. However, the context in which "Lord" was used was a quote referencing what he appears to think of as a Christian god, even though you, I, and probably anyone else with their head screwed on right would agree that they're totally off the mark. But Wikipedia is big on the Neutral Point of View, so, as disgusting as it is, we can't interject the 'popular' view (that they're delusional hatemongers) into their article, but instead accurately quote their views. Because all indications are that he wasn't referring to Satan, it's inappropriate to link to Satan. Don't confuse this with any of us endorsing their viewpoint, we're simply being accurately quoting the nonsense they spew. So I absolutely agree with the way you feel: these guys are hateful idiots. But it's not our place as an encyclopedia to say that, and linking the word "Lord" to "Satan" is not what he intended: they think they're doing the work of the 'Christian Lord,' however wrong they are. Fogster (talk) 02:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, I'm afraid I have to agree with you. A large part of me wishes that Wikipedia could serve as a place of public opinion, rather than expressing a neutral point of view (especially when it comes to matters such as the WBC). Nonetheless, I do understand the necessity of a neutral POV if the site is to maintain unbiased integrity. However, I must say that I'm pleased (though not at ALL surprised) to see that my personal opinion of this sick group of subhumans is shared among many. Sadly, I recognize that these people are not legitimately Christian and do not actually believe what they preach (they are clearly in "it" for the publicity, albeit negative), and that any notice they receive (from you, me, or anyone else) only serves to perpetuate their goal. Still, I despise this group as much as the next person does, and I strongly hope that some day there will be a widely recognized, easily editable forum through which the general populous can denounce such hate, and furthermore, actually obtain productive results from the publicity.

In short, thank you for agreeing. I loathe the fact that Wikipedia's policies call for such reverts, but I can grasp the paper-thin need for such censorship.

Swamilive (talk) 03:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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