User talk:Surtsicna

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[edit] Philip I

Hello and welcome. In this edit, you note that Philip the Fair traveled to Spain in 1502 as jure uxoris rex and not as King consort. Are you sure of that? It is my understanding that this was not conferred until the death of Isabella in 1504; in 1502, however, he would still have been the presumed consort. I would be very interested in your source for this correction if indeed true so it can be added to the article. Thanks! Eusebeus (talk) 18:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

  • I have replied/moved the discussion to my talk page. Please reply there. Thanks. Eusebeus (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Catherine

Do not change the article before achieving consensus on the talk page. So far you haven't convinced everyone, and you have no right to implement a disputed change without consensus. -- Zsero (talk) 15:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


I think Catherine is better too, Zsero you have made no consensus for your opinion either-it was originally spelt with a c in the article Chloe2kaii7 (talk) 15:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Russian emperors

The chief reason for me undoing your moves is that they were copy/paste moves, meaning you copied the text from one page and pasted it to the other. Doing so is not allowed on Wikipedia as it disrupts the page history and makes things very confusing for other editors. There is a proper procedure for initiating moves which can be seen if you visit this like: WP:RM. Most moves are best discussed beforehand anyway. Another reason for WP:RM is that administrators perform the moves which means that they are not stopped by the target name being used as a redirect. As for the use of ordinals for monarchs who were or are the only ones to reign under a certain name, it just really depends on what was used and it is not always consistent at that. After all, we have Juan Carlos I of Spain without there being a Juan Carlos II. If you do follow the process at WP:RM there is a chance that the community will endorse a move. Charles 18:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

And please use the {{move}} and {{RMlink}} tags, as instructed, to set up a Requested move according to our format. It's an imposition to leave it to somebody else. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Queen Zein

Hi, thanks for your message. The reason i changed it is because the jordan royal family compared to other royal families are different the titles stay with them for life even in death unless they have divorced. Queen Zein was only known by the name Zein al-Sharaf Talal till 1951 when she was made Queen that stayed her title even though she has passed away and there have been other Queens. Even to this day in any articles she is always mentioned as Queen Zein and if someone was searching here for her that is what would be used she isn't refered to as Zein al-Sharaf Talal and not many people know of her surname al sharaf talal, thats the reason i changed it. I'm fairly new to wikipedia so if i broke any rules by doing that please let me know. Thanks AliaBuhler (talk) 16:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I really do see your point aswell but the link you gave was how to change European royal consorts names, maybe i'll change her name to Queen Zein al Sharaf Talal that way as you mentioned if there was ever another Queen Zein you would be able to tell them apart AliaBuhler (talk) 17:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jordan Template

the template doesnt go by any order, if it went through order of precedence, then for instants haya wouldnt be above ali, rashid and nayef wouldnt below there sisters same with other members of the familym as males are first precedence when going by that. The template goes by family sections and oldest to youngest whether male or female, thats why abdullah and rania's family are put together, then his brother and his family together etc, noor is placed before her part of the family then followed by her children youngest to oldest. By putting noor under abdullah and rania there children can no longer be the way they are as they follow on like the children the princes etc have had. And also if going by some precedence muna and dina couldnt be included neither can abir as even thought they are part of the royal family they dont have any official place or precedence in the family AliaBuhler (talk) 14:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

  • hi, yes i like the way you have rearanged it. I'm going to add princess haya in as she has been left out, even though she is apart of the dubai royal house now she is still apart of the jordan royal family. I do think Taghrid Majali should be included as you said she is married to a prince and all the others have been included, and to continue with the theme of the template i will add his two children in as they are his sons that way everyone is the same. AliaBuhler (talk) 16:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth of Russia

Not sure why you keep removing the titular elements of the info box as this information is standard in articles concerning former monarchs (See Feodor II of Russia and Alexander I of Russia as examples). Please note that it is customary for editors to use edit summaries particularly for contentious edits. Rather than continuing to make the edits, however, it's far more wise to discuss on the article talk page rather than engage in edit warring. --Ave Caesar (talk) 12:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Interesting, it seems that the standard to retain the title beside the name exists among the Russian monarchs on Wiki, but not for their British counterparts. I would assume there is a reason, but I'm not entirely sure. I'll try to look into it. --Ave Caesar (talk) 13:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead. I'm still trying to figure out why it's different for the Russian monarch articles, but don't have too much time to mind the issue at the moment. --Ave Caesar (talk) 15:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother

I certainly won't revert your edit to English and British Queen mothers‎, but in fact the Queen Mother was referred to, for example in the official prayer for the Royal Family (which is approved by Parliament), as Queen Elizabeth and Elizabeth the Queen Mother. [1] Cheers!--Poetlister (talk) 11:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jeanne III of Navarre

I noticed that you incorrectly changed the name of this French person to the Anglicised form of Joan, a name which is never assigned to her in history books or encyclopedias. She is invariably called Jeanne III of Navarre or, more commonly, Jeanne d'Albret. Thank you for your cooperation.jeanne (talk) 08:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You've got a good point. I hadn't considered that. Ok. we can say she is also known as Joan III.jeanne (talk) 11:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)