Talk:Survivors (novel)
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[edit] Speedy delete?
The speedy tag is not the right tag for this case, the article is about a book, not a person? It's a book with over a million copies in print, not a massive amount all told, but I think that makes it notable enough for Wikipedia. Darksun 20:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
A million? That would make it quite notable indeed. What's its ISBN? Rklawton 20:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
ISBN 9966-755-00-4 --Darksun 21:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Can you explain how a book with an ambigious claim to a million copies in print could also have no Amazon sales rank? I'm not very clear on this, and the whole thing looks fishy. Rklawton 21:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Not really. Who knows, perhaps they're lying, but the claim to have a million copies is printed on the cover and on the copyright page. I'll post a copy when I get a chance. I believe the book is Australian, so maybe the majority of sales are there. --Darksun 21:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000312iu2.jpg Sorry about the photo, but since i don't have a scanner it's the best I can do--Darksun 21:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the speedy deletion tag. Take it to AfD if you want it gone; this isn't a clear-cut enough issue (in my opinion) to warrant a speedy deletion. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think you're right. I'd meant to do that yesterday. The book really looks suspicious. Over 1M books, and less than 500 Google hits, etc. I might take it to AfD, but I need to research a better "case" first. Rklawton 13:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- From what I've read up, the book is distributed free by various religious groups, although it's also availiable for sale. The majority of the 1M copies might have been given away free rather than sold, accounting for the low sales rank, but I see no reason to disbelieve the printing figures and I think that 1 million copies makes it notable, whether or not they're given away or sold. --Darksun 14:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Self-published books need special consideration. The 1M figure, without verifiable evidence otherwise, isn't questioned. The issue I see is that 1) it's self-published, AND 2) it's got less than 500 Google hits. This raises some red flags for me, but bears further investigation before I'd nominate it for an AfD. Rklawton 16:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if this will help but http://fr.bookbutler.com/do/bookSearch;jsessionid=6AE5F4880A68BE9FE46B0F37BC4B97DD?searchBy=isbn&pageNr=1&searchFor=9966755004&searchIn=de&shipTo=gb&amountIn=gbp Seriphyn 15:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
This book is from a small religious sect, some would call it a cult, that spends most of it's time selling these books on the street for whatever donation they can get from it. Most members of their 20-30 member group spend hours every day selling them. Some may be given away for free. They are not allowed to finish until they have gotten out their "quota" which used to be 100 daily when I was with them. So if they get 2000 out daily on average they will have gotten out 1 million books after 500 working days. They push the books into peoples hands and then ask for a donation. You can be sure that only a fraction are read as most people are decieved that it is some sort of charity or something and that if they just give a bit of money the book seller will leave them alone.
Very few, if any, are sold through the usual channels. There really is no intrinsic demand for them, being an obscure and badly written religious propaganda rant. http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1669&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 59.167.83.122 06:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I am the author of the book. Yes, it has sold over a million copies. It is also available in Spanish and Swahili. There is a sequel "Listening" due out next year. Yes, the books are not sold through bookshops, although a couple of copies were sent to Amazon a couple of months ago. They have been distributed on the streets (mainly in Sydney, Los Angeles, and London) in return for any donation (usually averages about a dollar). This form of distribution may offset the significance of over a million copies having been sold. On the other hand, hundreds (if not thousands) of letters from people who have read the book and been challenged/inspired/changed by it does convince me that it is being read. The fact that we rarely give them away for free guards against them going to waste on people who don't want to read them.
The statement about anyone having to get out 100 books a day is false and misleading. There are no official quotas, although some individuals and/or small independent teams set certain targets per day or week. Each team is autonomous and operates according to their own rules.
But really, the bottom line is the book itself. Not, in my opinion, a literary masterpiece, but a powerful story all the same, which has had a deep impact on a lot of people. I'm not really sure what the point of this stuff is here, since I only discovered this when the guy up above posted a link. He posted it on a site dedicated to fighting the Jesus Christians, the group who distribute "Survivors". User:202.172.123.87 09:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Dave McKay, 14 May, 2007
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Survivors Novel.JPG
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BetacommandBot 05:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
