Talk:Surrogacy

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[edit] Elder

I mergedfrom surrogate mother and redirect that here. RJFJR 01:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I removed the word or ersatz mother from the phrase

A surrogate mother or ersatz mother

because it seems pejorative to me. If this is a common or important term then please reinsert it. RJFJR 01:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Should this be here?

Her favorite food is bananas.

-Marc

I doubt that that should be there. I'm removing it, since it's tangential. Rarr 21:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


We could talk about religious views towards surrogacy. I know that Roman Catholics in particular opposed to it (sorry, had a test on fertility treatments in religious studies today). Also, in the UK, it is illegal to pay someone for surrogacy. Baberlp 20:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible copyvio

Does anyone know the connection between our article and this website: www.surrogate-mother.net? The content is nearly identical. I'll act upon it in a couple of days - hopefuly, somebody will clear this up before it. --dcabrilo 20:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

That link has been repeatedly spammed so we're now blacklisting it. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 20:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Relatives as surrogate moms

The article is well written, but good to mention an increasing number of surrogate mothers who carried a relative's unborn baby full term. Thousands of news reports and medical records find a trend of other female relatives in child-bearing age (between 20 to 50) agreed to be surrogates for a (sister, brother, niece, nephew, aunt, uncle, son or daughter's) unborn child.

It's somewhat popular because they as biological relatives may share a blood type that's vital and won't damage the developing fetus, as well an easier option in terms of emotional intimacy to share between family members, esp. the surrogate mother is in good health and some say are physically "used" to multiple pregnancies or having children before (and are willing to do this).

I hope my comment based on fact and personal observation (my sister carried my brother's son full term, because his wife is infertile and they felt it's a more emotional, as well phsyiological bond to choose her a surrogate, and she has 3 kids of her own). I hope this info. will be useful and need much investigation before I entered this to the article. Thank you for reading. 209.247.21.245 23:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] edits

Removed unsourced opinions like "accepted by almost everyone" (which is clearly false given that 6 states have laws making it a criminal offense) and added a section on legality, and improved academic tone. someone can clean up my cites.

Restingpulse 16:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)dave.

I removed the reference to the possible intended parent being "multiple males (usually a homosexual couple)" and changed it to say that the intended parent may be a single male or a male homosexual couple. The way it was worded before, "multiple males" gives the impression that in the past a group of several men came together to have a baby. There is no evidence to suggest that two straight men together or a grouping of three males or more have ever tried to conceive a child through surrogacy. When men without female partners opt for surrogacy it's either one straight male, one gay male, or two gay men together. No other alternatives exist. Shpilk (talk) 20:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposal

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The result was merge into Surrogacy. -- Thayvian (talk) 00:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I propose merging Gestational carrier and Commercial surrogacy into this article and discussing the issues that are unique to each of them as separate sections in this article, while discussing the issues common to all surrogacy arrangements in other sections.

My reasons for:

  • there are extensive issues that are relevant to all types of surrogate pregnancies, including legality of the surrogacy, who the legal parents are and validity of contracts assigning legal parentage from birth to the commissioning parents. On various websites, these are usually discussed as one issue.
  • many of the ethical issues overlap
  • the three articles are each rather short and moreover somewhat overlapping

Possible reasons against:

  • commercial surrogacy in particular has some unique ethical issues, including the commissioning of commericial surrogacies in countries where it is legal (eg Australians commissioning them in the US) or where it is cheap (Americans commissioning them in India)

Thayvian (talk) 08:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Agree

I agree, simply because the articles overlap so much that there is a great deal of duplication. I'm not sure about the title of this article though. Surrogacy/surrogate can refer to many things. "Surrogate mother" would be more appropriate. TINYMark (Talk) 21:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
How about "Surrogate pregnancy"? The article already has a lot to say about other parties to the pregnancy. Thayvian (talk) 05:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree. There is an overlap here. Surrogacy is surely the subject, and commercial surrogacy is merely a sub-issue, being a particular type of surrogacy arrangement.[Andrew] 9 January 2008

[edit] Disagree

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[edit] Survivor (novel) in "Fictional representation" section

This novel by Chuck Palahniuk depicts a woman who's job is to be a surrogate mother but is illegitimate. I recomend that it be mentioned in the fictional representation section as the depiction sheds some light on the subject.--Funkamatic (talk) 07:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help! Vandalism

I have reverted mother-surrogate.com/en this link -- mother-surrogate.com/en -- to a Ukrainian money making surrogacy "plant" twice now. If it happens again could someone else take a look. I don't want to get done for 3RR. Thanks TINYMARK 08:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Insert non-formatted text here

See meta:Talk:Spam blacklist#Ukrainian spam: mother-surrogate.net & mother-surrogate.com (permanent link).
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 22:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Link Proposal

I would like to propose a link to surrogacy experiences - both surrogate mothers and mothers by surrogacy who tell their personal stories: Personal Surrogacy Experiences —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachinbar (talk • contribs) 11:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)