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[edit] Alternative Vulcan Salute?
White & Nerdy page refers to Surak as having an alternate form of vulcan-salute without a source, if this is the case it should be described here. Possibly the same as the V-sign? --Osndok 22:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Links to analogous real-world philosophies?
1. I've added internal and external links to historical and modern real-world analogs of Surak/Vulcan philosophy, for readers who may want to learn about how such philosophies have been or are being applied in real life. I would welcome editors' consensus on whether such links to real-world analogs of Surak's philosophy are appropriate for this page (I, of course, believe they are appropriate, as well as important). The links I added are, first, the "Related topics" internal link to the historical, Surak-like philosophy, Stoicism; and, second, two "External links" to modern-day Surak-inspired or -analogous philosophies or movements, The Logic of Surak (www.surak.org) and The Circle of Reason (www.circleofreason.org).
2. Also, I'm a member and maintain the website of The Circle of Reason -- which I believe would represent a deletion-worthy conflict of interest were this group not expressly begun as a precise analog of Surak/Vulcan philosophy. Although I think this link merits inclusion objectively, I'm asking for a third party consensus on whether this link should be deleted, retained, or third-party re-posted later (if deleted in the interim). Also, noting additional organizations with potential Surak/Vulcan-like missions would be a fourth possibility, but all other such organizations of which I am aware trend either toward not expressly emphasizing reason as a primary goal (e.g., humanism and Universal Unitarianism); not encouraging the mastering of emotionality as a primary goal (e.g., Objectivism, which believes that emotions are a valid reflection of self-image, rather than potentially irrational biological impulses); or not permitting an agnostic or religious perspective in lieu of expressly encouraging atheism (e.g., strongatheism.net) -- a stance which seems incompatible with the more agnostic Star Trek/Vulcan/Katra/IDIC mythos. I now realize, after further reading of Wikipedia's "External link guidelines," that the most appropriate action when a potential conflict of interest exists would have been not to post the external Circle link unilaterally, but to have proposed to the Talk section that third parties consider posting it. In the spirit of trying to improve the impact of the Surak page for readers enticed by Gene Roddenberry's fictional philosopher, I've decided not to delete the Circle of Reason link outright, but to subject its existence to third-party consensus editorial judgment. So, should the link stay or go? In this regard, the Circle group will not be posting any Wikipedia page about itself, rather than this relevant link -- the group agrees with Wikipedia's "importance" policy stating that Wikipedia pages about new organizations are best created by unaffiliated third parties, as the group in question becomes more influential and noteworthy.
Fhburton 20:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
