Talk:Superstar

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Contents 1 Whrere's Andy Warhol? 2 Images, cleanup, etc. 3 Tom Cruise!? 4 Madonna

[edit] Whrere's Andy Warhol?

Came to this article hoping for a comprehensive overview of the term and what it means for popular culture. It's hard to imagine an article about the superstar phenomenon without at least some treatment of Andy Warhol, who is usually credited with coining the concept if not the word. I'm wondering if this article might be nibbling around the edges of the phenomenon without getting to the core.Wikidemo 15:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Great! I love the new Andy Warhol quote about Ingrid Superstar. However, I think it would be more encyclopedic to say something like "Andy Warhol, credited with popularizing the term,[cite] claims it derived from a model among his circle who called herself Ingrid Superstar. [cite Warhol quote]..." etc. One source to start on is this one: [1]. Wikidemo 03:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images, cleanup, etc.

I like the way the article is going - it's very informative even though a little messy. But some ongoing concerns.

Not sure why Susan Sarandon is held out as the epitome of superstar. That seems kind of random. And though Mary Woronov is certainly a very handsome middle aged woman, she is not exuding superstar quality in that picture. This is a good example where we can use a non-free image from the Warhol days. They're certainly irreplaceable. Or a new image of an unarguable current superstar (are there any left today? Paris Hilton comes to mind but she's more of a postmodern deconstruction of the superstar myth than a real superstar. Hannah Montana?). Best is if we could find a free period image of Nico, Edie Sedgewick, Woronov, or one of the other period 60s or 70s women.

Also, why are we linking to citations in the form of a google cache of lecture notes? That seems really sloppy and probably not a reliable source. Wikidemo (talk) 23:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Cruise!?

i think it is a bit dangerous to use tom cruise as an example of a superstar! High ranking scientologists have forseen he shall be honoured like a god one day! But then again... with that haircut?

[edit] Madonna

Madonna is the best possible candidate for a present-day superstar. She has proven herself for over 25 years and in recent times she has had a number 1 album (Hard Candy) and a number 1 single (4 Minutes). She was just inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame and she has the highest grossing tours for a female to date. Tom Cruise is not a superstar. I think he might have been a few years ago but in recent times he has become more of a media joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.225.220.14 (talk) 01:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Madonna, a superstar? Please, are you living in the 1980s? More people recognize Michael Jordan than Madonna. What a joke of an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.25.110 (talk) 01:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, grumblers, one man's garbage is another man's treasure, as they say. The term is a little bit like "genius", "legend", "hero", "diva", or "master chef", and so on. It's overused. I don't know if anyone alive is there. People like Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, maybe Michael Jackson if he didn't have his personal issues. Could be Michael Jordan. In the original conception it was about more than popularity. It was supposed to apply to people who had a magical, untouchable buzz to them. It's about being larger than life. Some people can be incredibly popular like Oprah, the Dalai Lama, the Pope, without being a superstar. If you're very real and friendly you're not a superstar. It's almost like they're not people. There are also some models and performers who aren't as well known who have that quality. If this article gets better it's doing more than defining the word or listing examples, it would explain the phenomenon. Hope that helps. Wikidemo (talk) 01:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

To the person who asks if we are living in the 1980's: Madonna has had commercial and critical success in the 80's, 90's, the 2000's and has had a number 1 album and single in the past few weeks. As for Michael Jordan, I doubt he could get MILLIONS of fans all over the world to sell out huge venues in mere hours to see him. Which brings me to ANOTHER prime example. Madonna's current world tour (The Sticky and Sweet Tour) has been selling out and breaking records and is expected to be one of the highest earning tours of the year. Many people would refer to her as an ICON which is a step above Superstar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.166.116.13 (talk) 03:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)