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Super Bowl XLII was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: February 4, 2008

Super Bowl XLII was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: February 23, 2008

Super Bowl XLII was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: May 15, 2008

Contents 1 Good article review (Feb 2008) 2 Archive talk page 3 Update on GA improvements 4 weak content? 5 Non-shooting incident deleted 6 Good Article Review (April 2008) 6.1 GA fail

[edit] Good article review (Feb 2008)

I have reviewed the article and I have placed it on hold because it does not yet satisfy three of the good article criteria, specifically:

4. Some of the sections are not yet neutral. There still seems to be some minor edit edit wars occurring over pro-Patriot and pro-Giant text. One example is the emphasis placed on the Giants celebration.

5. It is not yet stable. There were 21 edits yesterday (Feb 9) and 5 already today (Feb 10).

6. There are no images of the game, which is the topic of the article. There are only three images in the article: the logo and two about the post-game Giants celebration.

I suggest that we wait until things settle down and the above items are corrected. Truthanado (talk) 16:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. RC-0722 ^communicator/_kills 17:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

It has been almost a week since the article has been on hold. Let's do an assessment of where we are with respect to GA status by evaluating each of the good article requirements.

1. PASS. It is well written. Although there are some grammar and spelling improvements that could be made, typical of articles of this size.
2. FAIL. It is not factually accurate and verifiable. It contains two "citation needed" tags.
3. PASS. It is broad in its coverage. It covers the topic (a football game) in detail, as well as associated topics before, during and after the game.
4. FAIL. It is not neutral. I believe that the section on the Eels commercial is an unverifiable advertisement and the beginning of an edit war (see the talk page). Since I have made comments on this and do not like to get involved in edit wars, I recuse myself and would be happy to hear what the community thinks about this. The section on the Giants celebration party is written like a press release for the Giants and contains many peacock terms. There has been at least one edit within the past week that claims the Patriots won the game (also affects stability, point 5 below).
5. FAIL. It is not stable. 10 edits yesterday (Feb 15) and 4 already today (Feb 16). Some of the edits are grammar/spelling spelling, which is good. There are still some edits that change content.
6. PASS. It is illustrated, where possible and appropriate, by images. One image has been added. Comparing this article with last year's Super Bowl XLI, the number and type of images are similar, and I appreciate that desirable images of game situations might violate copyright.

In summary, this article still needs work to reach GA status. I will give it one more week, and then remove it from hold and declare it PASS or FAIL. Truthanado (talk) 14:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

This is my final review of this article. Using the same method as above, this review objectively looks at each of the documented good article requirements.

1. PASS. It is well written. Only a few minor grammar items remain, which is typical of articles of this size.
2. FAIL. It may not be factually accurate and verifiable. Yesterday, the starting lineup was changed, with no cited references.
3. PASS. It is broad in its coverage. It covers the topic (a football game) in detail, as well as associated topics before, during and after the game.
4. FAIL. I am not convinced that it is neutral, although it has greatly improved in the past week. That an obvious Patriots fan would change the Starting Lineup section yesterday raises questions of neutrality and factual accuracy (see point 2 above), as well as affecting stability (see point 5 below).
5. FAIL. It is not stable. 11 edits yesterday (Feb 22) and 3 already today (Feb 23). Although many of the edits improve spelling/grammar/understanding and are expected, some change content (ex: starting lineup changes made yesterday).
6. PASS. It is illustrated, where possible and appropriate, by images. One image has been added. Comparing this article with last year's Super Bowl XLI, the number and type of images are similar, and I appreciate that desirable images of game situations might violate copyright. I note that at least one image has been removed for copyvio.

Conclusion: There has been very good progress with constructive edits. However, there are still some important weaknesses and I cannot, in good faith, recommend this article for GA status in its current state. Perhaps sometime in the future ... not now. I am therefore declaring that this article FAIL as a GA. Truthanado (talk) 15:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archive talk page

This talk page seems to be getting way too long and all but the most recent parts should probably be archived to make it easier to manage. Especially since the article has reached a point where it is mainly being tidied up for GA status. --Finalnight (talk) 07:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. ---CWY2190^TC 23:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Update on GA improvements

Most of the rapid editing has calmed down at this point and it is mostly about dealing with vandals now. I think the improvements are coming along nicely. Keep up the work guys! (Also wanted to create this section so there is a spot to discuss cleanup outside of the formal GA review section)--Finalnight (talk) 01:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] weak content?

However, after the play had been run, Patriots' head coach Bill Belichick challenged that New York had too many players on the field and replay confirmed that was the case as Giants linebacker Chase Blackburn was unable to get to the sidelines as the ball was being snapped. Therefore, referee Mike Carey reversed the play, and the Giants were penalized 5 yards for having too many players on the field, giving the Patriots a first down. I am not a fan of either team (go Chargers!), and I rarely watch football, but that particular play and the follow up to it is something I and many others remember a bit differently than this article suggests. While I understand keeping an article neutral, a dis-service is done by not mentioning that it was half of one foot on the field, and only that because Brady moved the play fast to try to catch him. Is there not a place for a "GA" to mention controversies surrounding the game at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianlamere (talk • contribs) 15:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Non-shooting incident deleted

I took out a section about a disgruntled man who threatened to shoot people at the game, but in the end decided not to, and he turned himself in to the police. It seems a little like a "dog doesn't bite man" story of the sort which happens at all major events, and in any case its inclusion just encourages copycats. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 01:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Review (April 2008)

I'll be doing the Good Article review for this article. I've just scanned the article so far, but here are some general things to fix before I thoroughly read the article:

• Several of the citations are dead and need to be replaced with a new one or an archived url. See here
• Image:35229310.jpg needs a specific fair-use rationale for this article.
• Most of the pictures are all clumped together in the middle, can any of them be moved to anywhere else in the article?
• Several sections have few or no references: Playoffs, New York Giants, Pre-Game Notes, most of the paragraphs in the game summary, Statistics, a few of the records
• The block quote in the commercials sections needs to be formatted with <blockquote></blockquote>
• Several of the references need to be properly formatted using Template:cite web

That's it for now. I'll be back later with more specific changes to make. Nikki311 17:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA fail

After reviewing the article again, there is just too much unsourced content...so I'm going to fail the article. Here are some more specific things to change or consider before another nomination:

• These sentences in the lead need sources: In doing so, the Giants became the first NFC wild card team to win a Super Bowl. They also became the fifth wild card seed from either conference, and the fourth in eleven years, to earn an NFL championship.
• Because there was rain in the forecast for Super Bowl XLII, the roof was closed for the entire day's activities. - source?
• For the sections detailing the two teams' seasons, I think pictures from their respective seasons might be nice.
• I'm not sure about precedent in other Super Bowl articles, but IMO, the broadcasting section might be best at the end of the article. I doubt a lot of people come to read this article to see what channel it played on in Montenegro, so any reader would probably just skip over the section anyway and continue reading with the entertainment section.
• A picture for the pre-game or half-time activities might also benefit the article. I would recommend finding a picture on Flickr that has the proper licensing and can be used.
• After six years in office, Bloomberg became the 14th consecutive mayor of New York City to preside over a ticker-tape parade. - source? Anytime there is a record broken or made, it needs to be cited.
• The winners of the 20th annual USA Today Super Bowl Ad Meter should be sourced.
• The quotation at the end of the article looks out of place. Try integrating it somewhere in the prose in a quote box. See the blue quote boxes in Mulholland Drive (film) for a good example.

I hope this helps. I understand how frustrating it can be to have an article fail multiple times. Keep trying and good luck! Nikki311 23:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)