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[edit] Documentary?

There was a documentary film in black and white, but this is not Space is the Place which came out in 1974. Harry Potter.

Probably Edward Bland's late 50s The Cry of Jazz? Pediod interest only with fragmentary grainy footage. AllyD 18:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
The recent BBC documentary called Brother From Another Planet went into great and fascinating detail about all aspects of this amazing, enigmatic man's life. His early stage name is there given as the prophetic Sonny Ray. Nuttyskin 03:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect characterisation

I replaced the characterisation of the 1960s music as chaotic with an attempt to indicate the new forms of compositional structuring: both in terms of tape delay/editing and in terms of the bracketed ensemble blowing. IMO the 1960s section needs more, though, on the important new opportunities opened by Ra's 1961-67 music. AllyD 18:39, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recommended Recordings

This section should be edited for WP:NPOV. Encyclopedias can explain which recordings are considered important, by whom they are considered important, or why they are considered important, but an Encyclopedia should not itself recommend recordings. I could simply change the wording, but it would be better for someone who knows the subject to expand it a bit to add context and explanations. Dystopos 20:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I've cleaned it up a bit, by pointing out recordings that are considered by music critics and fans of Sun Ra's work to be among his best albums. It isn't a great improvement, and since there were previous sections that went into a bit of detail about Sun Ra's different musical periods, I thought that it would be a bit redundant to say that, for example, recordings like Super-Sonic Jazz and Jazz In Silhouette find Sun Ra employing polytonality and modality several years before musicians like Miles Davis and Ornette Coleman would do so. This section could still use a bit of work, as far as I'm concerned, though mostly in regard to providing citations, if it is felt that they are necessary. Kevinloy 01:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Electric bassists called Clarke?

Someone had placed "Stan Clarke bass guitar dates unknown" in the list of notable Arkestra musicians, presumably meaning Stanley Clarke? However I've removed the name, as I can find no other references to an Arkestra bassist named Stan Clarke - though there was Steve Clarke on a couple of late 1970s recordings (and co-composer of "UFO"). AllyD 18:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Saturnian ?

There's a category called "saturnian jazz musicians" ? :P Encyclopedic, eh.. - Mau 22:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FA

I don't think this article can really acheive FA as it is. In order to do this, it would need all its material to be sourced, and that's pretty far away. It would also need pictures.--SidiLemine 11:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Arkestra"

Anyone know where this term comes from? "arka" is a Sanskrit word for "sun". . . Andrew Ollett 16:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

That's a really good catch. I've been reading Szwed's book on Sun Ra and that was not mentioned. It might be possible that Sun Ra didn't know that. He did however remark that the word "Arkestra" began and ended with "RA". In fact, "arka" is really rich with meanings,including musical and sonic: from Capeller's English-Sanskrit dictionary (http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/tamil/)

14 arka m. beam, ray; the sun, fire; praise, song, sound, roar; singer; N. of a plant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.232.129.2 (talk) 20:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please add to musicians

Clifford Jarvis, drums, (1961-76, '83) obit: [1] 72.230.22.133 21:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wow!

I'm so impressed by this article, and I've learned a great deal from it. Well done to all involved! Tree Kittens 07:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naming convention?

If his legal name was "Sun Ra", shouldn't the article refer to him as such, rather than as "Blount"? Also see WP:ID. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I came in here to ask the same thing, and agree that "Blount" seems out of place. --Ninly 21:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
The text of the article should refer to its subject as "Sun Ra", not "Ra", and not "Blount". Herman Blount adopted the name Sun Ra, but it wasn't that his first name was Sun and his last name was Ra. More like he had only one name, like Cher or Madonna, but the name had two parts. As corroborating evidence, here is a New York Times article about Marshall Allen. In the New York Times they always refer to men as "Mr. whatever" instead of "whatever", for example "Mr. Allen", but the article refers to Sun Ra as "Sun Ra", not "Mr. Ra". — Mudwater 01:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I've updated the article to refer to Sun Ra as "Sun Ra" instead of "Ra". — Mudwater 13:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Replace this image" image

I'm going to put the "replace this image" back, if that's okay - I'm hoping someone actually has an image :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia or WikiProject Biography guideline for the use, or non-use, of the "replace this image" image? I personally find it distracting. While I agree that an image would significantly improve the article, I think it's assumed that if someone has a suitable free image, they should upload it and use it in a biography article such as this. Also, most people who look at a page are readers, not editors, and I don't think it helps them to include this notice, which is quite prominent. — Mudwater 17:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Dunno if there's a guideline or not. It is prominent, which I think is the point. It serves the purpose of aleting editors that the image is needed, but I think it also is meant to entice readers to become editors :) I'm not adamant that it has to be there, but maybe we could leave it up for a little while? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I realize it's for a good cause, and what you're saying makes some sense, but my preference would be for the image be removed, for the reasons I mentioned. I'd be interested in the opinions of other editors also. By the way, when you say "a little while", did you have a particular time frame in mind? — Mudwater 19:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - indefinitely. =)
Not really - a week or two? But I'm going to see if there's been any discussion about the use of the image in articles because you brought up some good points. If I don't find anything (or don't get around to it), feel free to delete around the end of the year. And or if any other editors of this article chime in? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to Pandelis karayorgis for adding an image to the article! — Mudwater 01:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tributes section

This whole section smacks of {{trivia}} and, imo, should be deleted. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Yup, it's full of wrong-end-of-the-telescope stuff. The fact that Joe Bloggs like Artist X may be a relevant fact about Joe Bloggs but it is irrelevant to Artist X. AllyD (talk) 17:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup and copy editing run

I went through and did a pretty major cleanup run. Among other things, I copy edited the text, merged some paragraphs, removed much of the crufty influence section, and removed many references to John Szwed in the article that did not add to its general quality, that seems, IMO, to merely be pushing the view of him as an expert. Please comment here if you take issue with the edit or have ideas about future things to do. I have found, and am in the process of finding, more references to source currently unsourced or dubiously sourced claims. --Kakofonous (talk) 20:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Much improved. The Musicians list probably needs some attention - some mislinks, some names I don't recognise from records, etc. AllyD (talk) 20:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)