Talk:Summum
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Concerned about which ideas Summum dictates that are clearly taken from the Kybalion but changed in form, without any indication of that process here. There is a reference to "The lips of wisdom are closed except to the ears of understanding" which is straight out of the Kybalion. Things like this I feel should be attributed so that a reader can see how closely related Summum is to the Kybalion.
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I removed the status flag indicating the article is written as an advertisement. I would think such a designation be made after a community discussion first. The designation was made by an IP address and the Talk page of the IP address indicates the user had made past inappropriate edits on other articles.
KamiLian 05:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the article on SUMMUM fits in well with the series of God. If it were combined with the article on Summum, then I don't know if it would fit with the series of God. For that reason, I think it might be better to keep it separate from the Summum. But that's just my opinion.
KamiLian 02:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
It appears a user did some drive by tagging and placed a Wikipedia:NPOV dispute tag without addressing any issues on the talk page. Per Wikipedia's guidelines, "Drive-by tagging is not permitted. The editor who adds the tag must address the issues on the talk page..." Since nothing was addressed on the talk page, I removed the tag. If someone has an issue with the NPOV, please address it on the talk page and refrain from drive by tagging.
KamiLian 02:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reads like an Advertisement
This article Summum reads like an advertisement which is not what Wikipedia is for. Please do not delete this tag until it someone edits the article so it is more neutral in its writing. IamMcLovin 03:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about an advertisement, but it reads as if it was written by believers with very little regard for the rest of the world. I kept finding phrases I couldn't make sense of, like "advanced beings who work along the pathways of creation." "...because it is the human mind that interprets the characteristics and qualities of the golden ratio, it should be considered in its relation to the human psyche." (The words "golden ratio" could be replaced by any other noun/s at all and make as much sense.)
The sentence "Apparently, the government will not allow Summum to make the nectars in the manner Summum believes they should be made." needs attribution. To whom is it apparent? --Hugh7 (talk) 09:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The internal links to the cult's own website should obviously be moved to an external link section. I absolutely agree with the "Advertisement" flag, but a cult like this poses a special problem, since no one on the outside will be able to say much about it. From the perspective of such a cult, there is no such thing as a neutral point of view, and no one who "truly understands" their beliefs can possibly describe those beliefs in a neutral manner. No attempt to summarize or compare their beliefs to anything else can possibly be regarded as valid from their viewpoint. Nonbelievers are defined as non-neutral. How about reducing it to a demographic treatment? Basically just a historical list of leaders and how many followers the cult claims over time and any evidence of those claims, along with a clearly flagged external link to the cult's website for the whole spiel. --Shanen (talk) 00:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
