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[edit] Discussion
The summer solctise is a big part in the summer. there are usually alot of festivals to honour this occasion which has religious meanings in some cultures.
[edit] southern hemisphere dates
'In the Southern Hemisphere, summer begins around December 21 and ends around March 21' -
Not in Australia, here summer is all of December January and February. Anyone from another (temperate)southern hemisphere country want to commment? Chile? Argentina? mathew 00:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
It's just May 1st as I type this and my local newspaper, an airport parking service is already advertising for summer. Also, a newscast mentioned before the break that water restrictions would be enforced until the end of the summer, and mentioned after the break that the summer water watering restrictions begins today, which mean that summer would begin 50 days before a typical American calendar mentions "summer begins" and 21 days before the "first day of fall." In addition, the long hyped up summer blockbuster season (formerly mentioned in this article) begins this Friday, May 5th. Boston.com on the link http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/04/30/festival_season_is_upon_us/ lists "SUMMER EVENTS IN BOSTON" starting on May 10th, well before true summer weather arrives in Boston. This link http://www.richmond.com/ae/output.aspx?Article_ID=4227740&Vertical_ID=3&tier=2&position=3 tells us that tourism officials who want to boost attendance want to push the summer season forward. There is a trend for summer to culturally begin on May 1st and end on August 31st in the United States or sometimes even a little earlier, replacing Memorial Day as the cultural change in seasons. Just type "summer is here" on a Google news search in May and you'll know what I mean.
Gnomon says:
This article on summer is hopelessly confused at the start. I haven't time to sort it out at the moment. It talks about "astronomical" summer as being defined as starting on the solstice and the meteorogical summer lagging behind this by 3 weeks although the dates it gives are in front of, not behind.
There's really no such thing as "Astronomical summer" but for this to make any sort of sense, it would be the three months centred around the solstice. The "meteorogical lag" phenomenon would then make sense, coming behind this by a few weeks. It's interesting to note that the lag effect is less in coastal regions than in continental regions, so the seasons start earlier in places like Ireland than they do in continental USA.
- There's really no such thing as "Astronomical summer" but for this to make any sort of sense, it would be the three months centred around the solstice. That's the way it's done in Jieqi (solar term), and according to an external link on the season page: [1] —Last Avenue [talk | contributions] 23:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- It's interesting to note that the lag effect is less in coastal regions than in continental regions, so the seasons start earlier in places like Ireland than they do in continental USA.
This statement is misleading and from a scientific standpoint entirely incorrect. But since I cannot discern the actual context of the statement within the article(are we talking about meteorological summer, regional definitions of summer?), I did not edit the article. Instead, I hope someone (maybe the original authors) will read what I wrote below and with that in mind revise the article appropriately.
The meteorological summer is simply defined as the warmest 3 months of the year (3 so as to make all seasons equal length). Using this definition of summer, the start of each season in coastal areas that lie to the east of oceans actually begins later (sometimes much later) than over continental regions. This is due to the high heat capacity of water, which responds much more slowly to radiative changes such as decreasing daylength than land does. The west coast of the US, for instance, experiences its warmest temperatures in late August and sometimes well into September, while the rest of the continental US begins to cool quite rapidly.
Now, no one can argue against regional definitions for the seasons. There are many other factors that go into determining what summer means to a certain group of people, but it is meaningless to assign a scientific term such as "lag effect" to describe differences amongst these definitions. I do not doubt the Irish have a good reason for designating May 1 as the start of Summer, but the fact remains that Dublin in May is actually a degree colder on average than during October.
-dba-207.206.150.142 04:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Iceland and midnight sun
On maps, Iceland seems to barely (if at all) touch the polar circle, from the south. Why is it a good example of a location with midnight sun? High mountains could be a possible explanation, but IMHO N Norway would be a better example of a populated region with midnight sun. JöG 11:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
It is also called the season of the midnight sun near the North Pole; in Iceland for instance.
[edit] Eastern Ontario
Hello? In Eastern Ontario in Canada (the region surrounding the city of Ottawa), Summer typically lasts from the end of May to the end of October. --216.106.101.203 14:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Midsummer Day
This article mistakenly suggests William Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream occurs on the Summer Solstice. In fact, it occurs on Midsummer Night - hence the title - which is June 23rd, Midsummer Day being 24th June, and nothing to do with the Solstice.
[edit] Globalize/Northern
I added this template today because the article does not have adequate coverage for summer in the Southern Hemisphere, and also has inaccuracies with respect to the dates of summer in the Southern Hemisphere.
- No mention is made that in the Southern Hemisphere, summer is the season that Christmas and the New Year are celebrated in.
- The dates of summer in the Southern Hemisphere do not cite references.
- The dates of the Southern Hemisphere summer are dubious. As mathew pointed out above, the dates for the Australian summer follow the meterological convention and summer is considered to be the whole months of December to February. December 1 is thus the official "first day of summer" in Australia.
- No mention is made of school dates in the Southern Hemisphere.
- The description of summer is primarily from a US perspective. More coverage is needed for the rest of the Northern Hemisphere as well as the Southern Hemisphere.
A bit of balancing is therefore required here. Some description of summer in the Southern Hemisphere is needed, as well as a more global perspective for the northern summer. --B.d.mills 06:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Coming this summer
A lot of pages say that a tv show, a movie, troops will be withdrawn, the price of gas will go up; this summer. What summer? Summer began many weeks ago in Australia. Do they mean the North American summer? In any case, I thought it would be a good idea to link the word "summer" in these contexts to a section of this web page that discusses when American summer starts and ends. But there is no clear section on this page. Now I KNOW wikipedia is America's encyclopedia and that all readers of this web site should just accept that it is written by Americans for Americans, but it would still be sort of cool if there was a page that defined when "coming this summer" on American adverts and press releases could properly be defined. I see it everywhere, movie posters, videogame posters, announcements, EVERYWHERE... and it sort of annoys me that me and the rest of the world have to try and guess exactly when North Americas summer is exactly. JayKeaton 16:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Better idea: Don't use "summer" terminology on wikipedia for anything but weather. It is supposed to be a worldwide site, and summer is not the same worldwide. 71.212.27.154 04:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
- == == == summer is stupid season ever in my life to hot out side.Every one out when you going out side to play every one start looking at you summer is fucker seosonever. == == ==
Assuming that is vandalism I shall remove it. --The NCC Factor 17:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Needs reorganization
This article needs reorganization and other work. Most importantly, the material that relates generally to the Season article, such as astronomical versus meteorological reckoning and how the seasons are defined in various countries, should be only in that article. Otherwise, all of that material has to be maintained (i.e., revised) in Season, Summer, Winter, and Autumn, which is unacceptable because it is redundant and will lead to inconsistencies. Also, a LOT of material needs source citations (although a lot of that is in what should be merged into Season (or else just deleted here if it is already there). I'm afraid I do not have time to do all this now. Finell (Talk) 03:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Summer starts at midsummer?
I have no argument with the dating of the meteorological seasons, but the actual seasons don't seem to make sense. This article dates the start of summer at the summer solstice, aka. "midsummer". Now if it were midsummer you'd expect it to be half-way through summer, no? And what about all the May Day festivities around the British Isles which clearly indicate that 1 May is regarded as the beginning of Summer? ("Unite and unite, and we will all unite, for Summer is a-come in today, and whither we are going we will all unite in the merry morning of May" - from the Padstow 1 May celebrations) Similarly Halloween or All Souls Eve on 31 October was considered to be the eve of winter. Surely then, in the British Isles at least, the seasons traditionally centred on the equinoxes and solstices, rather than starting on them? Fuzzypeg☻ 22:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I've just read Season and it is now clear that what this article is describing is the "astronomical" season, which is different from the traditional season. The traditional season is as I suggest above. Fuzzypeg☻ 22:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ireland
There is a falicy perpetuated that 1st May is the start of summer in Ireland. This emanates from the old ancient pagan festival of Bealtaine, which over the centuries has ended up as May as various calendars were merged, Celtic and Gregorian ones, etc. IF the standard definition of summer is the 3 warmest months of the year, then typically and meteorogically, the months of June, July and August are the summer months in Ireland, although its also arguable that July, August and Sept, as June and Sept are very close - but due to daylight changes and some propensities to have storms occurring in Sept, although they can occur any time of the year, the main summer months are June, July and August. Most secondary school students have these three months off for their summer holidays.
One problem in Ireland is that it is a perennial debate. Currently, young Children in primary schools are still being taught that May is the start of the summer according to the curriculum, yet clearly meteorogically it cant be. The Government Department of Education could do with some self-education on this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.227.223 (talk) 15:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
