Talk:Suleiman the Magnificent/Archive 1

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Contents 1 Map of present Hungary 2 Correct title 3 Plagiarism 4 Solomon 5 Elbonian? 6 Kipling & Fiction 7 Cultural depictions of Suleiman the Magnificent 8 Expansion 9 Requested move 9.1 Survey

Map of present Hungary

Relevance?

Correct title

Shouldn't the term be Sultan, not Emperor? -- corvus13

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Sultan and Emperor were used interchangeably by the Ottoman rulers after 1453. Mehmed II, the conqueror of Constantinople, actually went so far as to assume the title of "Caesar" because he had conquered the last remnant of the Roman Empire. As the Ottomans expanded into Christian lands, it was probably expedient for the sultans to assume the more familiar title of Emperor for their subjects in those territories, anyway. -- jsc1973

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Plagiarism

Huh? Adam Bishop 19:38, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sorry -- you are right, this should have been the Ormus article. But check the www.nationmaster.com encyclopedia; I think this article too was plagiarized.

This is the text from that encyclopedia -- identical to this article: Suleyman I, also called Süleyman I and nicknamed the Lawmaker or the Magnificent, was the sultan of the Ottoman Empire from 1494 to 1566 and successor to Selim I. The Ottoman Empire reached its zenith and became a world power during his reign. Although the empire continued to expand one century after his death, this period was followed by a very long decline.

He captured Belgrade in 1521 and Rhodes in 1522. The Ottoman victory at the Battle of Mohacs opened the doors of Hungary and Vienna, the latter of which had been besieged unsuccessfully in 1529. In the following two decades, huge territories of North Africa west to Morocco and all Middle East north to Persia were annexed. This quick expansion was associated with naval dominance for a short period in the Mediterranean Sea and Persian Gulf.

He earned his nickname the Lawmaker from his complete reconstruction of the Ottoman law system. The laws that he gathered covered almost every aspect of life at the time.

When Süleyman died in 1566, major Muslim cities (Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, Damascus, and Baghdad), many Balkan provinces up to today’s Austria, and most of North Africa were under the control of the empire.

That encyclopedia is copywrited, but often uses material from Wikipedia. But that encyclopedia gives no indication that this article was taken from wikipedia, which makes me wonder whether it was cut and posted from that source. Slrubenstein

Solomon

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Was he named after Solomon? -- Chris Q

And yes, ChrisQ, Suleyman was named after Solomon (who is considered a Prophet in Islam). His Arab subjects called him 'Sulayman', as do many other Muslim people outside the Ottoman Empire...

Elbonian?

That guy bears more than a passing resemblance to an Elbonian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbonia

Picture was really bad and I changed it with a better one. Deliogul 17:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Kipling & Fiction

Shouldn't this article have some reference to the fiction work about him? Isn't he the one from Kipling's Just So Stories?

Cultural depictions of Suleiman the Magnificent

I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information. I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list. Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this approach as a model for the editors here. Regards, Durova 17:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Expansion

I'm guessing the goal of this week is to get it on peer review? Here are some monarchs that are featured that may be useful to model this article after. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5],[6]. Dutch monarch], Attila the Hun. Falphin 20:07, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

• I really don't know how to add this to the article but Sigismund II of Poland was the one who united the Grand Duthcy of Lithuania, and the Kingdom of Poland during the late rule of Suleiman the Magnificent. While the two never came in direct conflict, the Polish kingdom would be the buffer that kept the Ottomons from expanding further north, and in later years the Kingdom(after Suleiman's and Sigismunds's deathes) would participate in the Battle of Vienna. Falphin 22:58, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
• It might also be worth mentioning the literature written about him. [7]Falphin 01:38, 23 October 2005 (UTC)