Talk:Sulawesi

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[edit] People section

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[edit] separatist movement?

Well, I saw we have a flag of it in the article, but couldn't find a single word mentioning it. Do we have a separate article on it (if we do, why is it not linked?) Who are they? What do they want? I'll see if Google helps any. Regardz, nepTune 13:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

There's a separatist movement during the early days of Indonesian Independence. But the movement is not united and centralized at South Sulawesi, led by Kahar Muzakkar, who is also, shockingly, along with Sukarno fought against the Dutch. But due to disagreement about what type of government will Indonesia be (Kahar was in favor with federalism), he turned against Sukarno as well as the nationalist, and led a rebellion. But the rebellion was crushed by the nationalist army. In the early days of Indonesian Independence, there were many rebellions, like Bukit Tinggi rebellion in Sumatra and other provinces as well.Pejuang bahasa 01:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics & Culture

It is not clear to which part of Sulawesi the 'Arts and Culture' section refers. It is known that Sulawesi is quite a diverse island, with a number of different peoples and languages (of which Minahasa, Mamasa, Toraja, Bugis, Makassar are the better known), a fact which is not properly reflected in the article UncleMatt 17:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

2007/01/01

Jeff V. Pulver

This is very frustrating. I spent over 30 minutes trying to figure out how to get a question about missing content on the article on Sulawesi. This is the best route I could find.

There is no mention of coffee beans in the Sulawesi article. That is one of their most famous export items. For many, many years I used to drink a lot of coffee. Those were the pre-Starbucks, pre-Yuppie days, when one bought coffee beans. The coffee beans were named from the country of origin.

Celebes Kalossi was my favorite coffee. Today, Starbucks sells a varietal called Sulawesi. I do not know if that is the same as the one I used to buy. I used the Google search engine on the term Celebes Kalossi and there were 16,000 plus entries. I then added wiki at the end of the search argument and this URL was found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_varietals.

It appears that Wiki does know about coffee beans from Sulawesi. So, all that is needed is an update to the article which talks about exported goods.

--Jvpulver 22:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geography

The caldera that is at the heart of this island is amazing. Given that this is the eleventh largest island in the world and that the outline of this caldera is clearly visible within and central to Indonesia, I wonder how it compares to other known calderas. This has got to be one of the largest in the world (50 mile diameter!). Seems worthy of some comment within the geography section. It seems to be about the same size as the original Krakatao caldera (long before the lava dome eruption of 1883), and both appear to line up well with the Reunion hot spot. Note that I am not talking about Tambora on the north penninsula (which is trivial in comparison).

Fkmerkel 13:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 07:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Sulawesi → Celebes per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). English names are used for other Indonesian islands (cf. Borneo, Java, Sumatra) —  AjaxSmack  07:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

It was formerly known as Celebes. Now it is almost universally referred to as Sulawesi. Mgiganteus1 11:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
That is correct - Celebes is the old name. Same with the concurrent 'survey' on Maluku. Like peking => beijingMerbabu 12:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • oppose as per Merbau, Mgiganteus1 (Caniago 12:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC))
  • oppose and also please see Maluku talk page for further explanation SatuSuro 13:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • strong oppose I've never met anyone who called in Celebes, and it is never referred to by that name in the English speaking media. (See Current News reports on Adam Air Flight 574 for example.) --Bwmodular 15:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose. It's not the current English name, it's an archaic English name. Imc 17:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Please come out from your dusty depot library. The real world has changed. :-) — Indon (reply) — 12:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Comment - is it actually the original Dutch colonial name that was merely copied by English colonials but not used for 60 years? I think that might be the caseMerbabu 12:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I think so. The Dutch is still using that name, see nl:Celebes. It says Celebes (de huidige naam is Sulawesi), translated as Celebes (the official name is Sulawesi). So Celebes is not an English name, but a Dutch name. The clause of this move request case is then false. — Indon (reply) — 12:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose Celebes is not the most common name even in English. --Polaron | Talk 15:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose, agreeing with the reasons given above, and citing quantitative evidence: 6 million for Sulawesi beats 1 million for Celebes on Googlefight. Fayenatic london 17:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC) -- Whoops, if I restrict Google to English language pages, the ratio is only 1.26 million to 1.01 million, i.e. much less persuasive. Anyway, I agree with the other arguments above. Sulawesi is more clear-cut than the Moluccas in terms of modern usage in by English-speakers. Fayenatic london 18:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose Sulawesi is coming into use; that's the difference. This is in part because Celebes is more of a distortion. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 06:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.