Talk:Suit (cards)

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I edited out the reference to poker. Suits have extreme relevance in many forms of poker, since a straight flush beats a straight, and a straight flush is unique in that all the cards are of identical suit. There are plenty of better examples of "suitless games" such as blackjack, war, go-fish, etc. --Rhett Aultman

There is, or at least was for a while, a 5-suit scheme, with i think Eagles as the 5th suit. I don't know that it deserves a mention, let along an article, but on the other hand, i don't think it should be flatly said that there are only 4 suits. I'll take a try at something eventually, if no one who knows at least a little more about this aspect does so first. --Jerzy(t) 03:24, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC)

There is now information about the fifth suits you are referring to. Took a while to research the information and report on it. The suits referred to came from bridge and in the 1935 to 1938 time periods became popular. Included is all the infomation I was was able to gather from various sources including my own collection, Hochman's and historical references to playing cards. (no copyright infringements.) Some information came from actual decks for sale and copies of rule sets available online. --Killerbee 10:30, 2006 Nov 19

Removed the line about Hamilton Playing Card Company, as it was not a separate producer of cards. According to Hochman's and as listed at RUSJoker, Hamilton Playing Cards were made by Russell Card Playing Co. which is also the US Playing Cards Co., later on. The Eagles suit in the United States came about in 1938. I have references on demand. I had planned on cleaning up the articles I rewrote a number of times, in the section about adding suits and commercial suits, as I have researched and found more information. How is the standard requested to be applied to clean up that section? I saw at least two comments that some did not like the many suits and commercial decks. They are historical and in many cases contemporary and relavant to additional card playing suits. Suits are evolving, and will continue to do so. How does Wikipedia or the owner of this topic wish to have the items reorganized? --Killerbee 20:37, 2007 Nov 21 (Original text: "For a brief time in the 1930s, the Hamilton Playing Card Company produced a five-suit deck for ladies' social clubs; the fifth suit was green and its icon was the eagle.") —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killerbeeinvest (talk • contribs) 01:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The names listed under "Italian suits" are actually the Italian names for the French or American suits and are mainly used for games played with an American deck, such as poker or canasta. There are many regional designs, but the most common Italian deck is made of 40 cards, with the following Italian suits: Cups (coppe), Coins (denara), Clubs (bastoni) and Swords (spade). see [1]

  • Yes, the table was an ugly mix of local suits and of translated names for the French suits. It should be better now. —Blotwell 08:56, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Suits Translated

The following information was attained from the television show Tilt on ESPN

In the show, the different card suits are said to be related to the classes of society as the following:

Suit Relation
Clubs Peasants
Diamonds Aristocrats
Hearts Royalty
Spades Military


I was going to ask if anyone knew the origins of the suits... If we could get a source, I think it should go up. Troubleshooter 11:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Individual pages for the four suits?

Are they really necessary? They're such little stubs, and even if they ever grew into anything more (which doesn't look likely) they'll probably be heavily redundant. The information can easily be contained on Suit (cards), and mentioned on heart (symbol)], diamond, etc. -Silence 19:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bad redirects

"Trumping" and "trump" should not redirect right into Bridge-related articles. The OED has 3 noun and 3 verb variants of "trump", only one of which deals with the card game... Yeah I should do it myself, but I'd rather an admin who knows how to do these things neatly do it. JDG 06:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

If this hasn't already been dealt with: it's probably more likely to be if you outline which of the 6 "variants" you see as more than dict-defs. E.g. trump in the sense of trumpet arguably deserves a Dab entry aimed at Trumpet, and maybe even one to a section of Book of Revelation if it explicates the "last trump". But dict-defs are not articles, and the existence of a dict-def is often no indication of an potential article topic. (This is far from the ideal time for me for undertaking a reconstruction of some kind. But this may suggest the direction you may have to go in to have a reasonable expectation of seeing your insight acted upon.)
--Jerzy•t 03:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suit in-text symbols?

Am I the only one for whom the card symbols used as & code in-text (other than diamonds) do not show up for? Any suggestions as to why they might not show up? Thanks TheHYPO 07:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Give us all your details (what kind of computer, operating system, web browser, etc.) and maybe we can help you find your problem (often it's something like installing a typeface or a browser setting). --LDC 10:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
XPsp2, IE6. I've found this very occasionally in other articles. In one someone used what I assume to be the 'approximatly' symbol, but it shows up as the 'unrecognized symbol' square. These card symbols don't even give me the square - it's just blank where they should be. Thanks TheHYPO 23:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Anyone with info on this issue? I've also found that people have put Japanese text in some articles which I assume other people can see that doesn't show up for me. Is there an option I might have unset? TheHYPO 14:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Correspondence of Spanish to Anglo-French suits

Do we have a source to confirm this? There's been a lot of discussion of this topic in our house over the years, oddly enough. As an English-speaker, I would have thought that bastos, being clubs, would correspond to clubs and espadas, sounding like "spades" would correspond accordingly, as indicated here in the article. However, my Spanish-speaking spouse, who grew up using a Spanish-style deck, always insists that these are not the correct correspondences (but, being asleep, can't be consulted right now as to what they supposedly are). So again, do we have verification? Lawikitejana 05:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of the current "usual" suits and symbols

If anyone can provide authoritative information, I think that how long the suits shown in the graphic have been in use would be of interest. I saw an old painting... 1500s???... in which the "French" symbols are clearly visible. Prado, Madrid, I think.

82.20.63.64 22:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)